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daveyandersen1
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March 29th, 2022 at 2:00:15 PM permalink
Quote: Ace2

You can lose all three numbers so it's definitely not a hedge. A hedge would dilute the loss on the 6 if you lose it. Regardless, I abide by the "thou shalt not hedge thy bets" commandment. Variance is what makes gambling fun

3 point molly is just increasing your action by betting on one or two more numbers. Like placing one or two more numbers except that you don't get to choose which numbers and also the overall edge on come bets is MUCH lower than place bets, assuming you take the free odds
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Your explanation of 3point molly was spot on ACE2..IF The O P dosent get what 3 p m is now he ( or she ) shouldn't play...
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March 29th, 2022 at 2:06:21 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

In a convoluted way each additional come bet becomes a hedge against a 7, because the come bet will be paid on the 7 while all the existing bets lose.

Again... it's a convoluted way to look at it.

I'll go with the majority, however. 3 point molly is only a name applied to a strategy of having three come bets with odds, and its not a hedging system.

Laying the 4 or ten while making come bets would be a hedge.
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YOU ARE CORRECT SIR!!!!!
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March 29th, 2022 at 2:20:05 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Even if a casino includes odds when giving comps you still face the problem that table game comps are arbitrary. I see floor people rarely update the betting in their computers. And for this reason I think your best strategy is to start off with big bets -- get the big bets recorded-- and then reduce your bets to your comfort level.

About 7 or 8 years ago Caesars started including odds in comps but their table game comp formula remained a mystery.

Red Rock where I play now includes odds but again who knows how ratings are made? Station Casinos stopped showing points for table game players on its website players records.

Same with Boyd. Table game play is not broken out on its website.

Is there any casino which will tell you what your table game bets are actually worth towards comps????
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I'd think they use some kind of average percentage like blackjack comps assume a 2% edge for all players (so I've read). Seems it would be unfeasible to tailor the percentage for each player, especially since one player can often be making low edge bets (like passline with odds) and high edge ones (like hardways) concurrently. But who knows... it might be just a crapshoot
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March 29th, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM permalink
Years ago I was told one of the easiest ways to get a comp room in AC was to be a regular $25 Hard 8 bettor.
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March 29th, 2022 at 3:00:34 PM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

I would ask those here to try and remember their first time at a craps table. What was your plan? How much money was in your pocket? Were you nervous?

I was 19 or 20 on a casino boat out of Ft Lauderdale. No plan, maybe $100 in my pocket. I was more excited than nervous. I have known the base game of craps since I was a kid. Had no clue about odds, place bets, center bets, etc.

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As a thought experiment, if you could go back in time and give yourself some quick advice on what to do, what would you tell yourself?

Take odds!!!

At one point, I made 8 passes, all with just a PL bet and no odds. Near the end of my roll one of the other guys at the table was betting my odds for me, but I still had no clue at the time.
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March 29th, 2022 at 3:56:57 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Years ago I was told one of the easiest ways to get a comp room in AC was to be a regular $25 Hard 8 bettor.
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At a 9% house edgeÖIím sure.
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March 29th, 2022 at 4:35:31 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Years ago I was told one of the easiest ways to get a comp room in AC was to be a regular $25 Hard 8 bettor.
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The any seven bet should get you there twice as fast. Bet that all weekend for $100 and they should give you your own floor
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March 29th, 2022 at 5:01:30 PM permalink
Quote: Ace2

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Years ago I was told one of the easiest ways to get a comp room in AC was to be a regular $25 Hard 8 bettor.
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The any seven bet should get you there twice as fast. Bet that all weekend for $100 and they should give you your own floor
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Closer to 13.25 times as fast.
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March 29th, 2022 at 5:26:27 PM permalink
I just read on a different website an article about different betting strategies.

One of the strategies was using a 3 point Molly but with a progression on the flat bets for those first three rolls. The progression was a hedge -- no odds on the first three numbers.

Yes, the author commented on the risk, but he argued that after three or four throws the shooter was probably pretty good and worth the additional risk of adding odds.

This reminded me of the 5-count before betting on a shooter.
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March 29th, 2022 at 5:30:16 PM permalink
Quote: Ace2

Quote: billryan

Years ago I was told one of the easiest ways to get a comp room in AC was to be a regular $25 Hard 8 bettor.
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The any seven bet should get you there twice as fast. Bet that all weekend for $100 and they should give you your own floor
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I wrote about this before: a player comes to a craps table with $100k.

His ONLY bets are 3way 7s on the come out starting with $25 each and doubling the bets on each come out.

No one at the table threw a come out 7.

He lost the entire $100k.

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