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She bets $500 at a time on the field (2X on 12 by the way) and is a screamer. When she hits she adds 50% of the win to her field bet and tips the dealers $50.
She keeps screaming.
Except for her being loud that wasn't the problem. The problem comes later when the couple is down about 9 or 10 grand and she's no longer betting the field but she's betting single black chips on DP and screaming for a 7.
Eventually all the money is gone. Adios.
And that ruined the game how, exactly?Quote: AlanMendelsonI hate when tourists show up to ruin a good craps game. It happened again this past Saturday. Tourist couple Buys in for $3k. He bets conservatively on the passline with odds and places bets on the sister number. No problem.
She bets $500 at a time on the field (2X on 12 by the way) and is a screamer. When she hits she adds 50% of the win to her field bet and tips the dealers $50.
She keeps screaming.
Except for her being loud that wasn't the problem. The problem comes later when the couple is down about 9 or 10 grand and she's no longer betting the field but she's betting single black chips on DP and screaming for a 7.
Eventually all the money is gone. Adios.
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They wagered ( Paying customer) They had fun. Were you paying more than them?
He who pays the piper calls the tune.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI hate when tourists show up to ruin a good craps game. It happened again this past Saturday. Tourist couple Buys in for $3k. He bets conservatively on the passline with odds and places bets on the sister number. No problem.
She bets $500 at a time on the field (2X on 12 by the way) and is a screamer. When she hits she adds 50% of the win to her field bet and tips the dealers $50.
She keeps screaming.
Except for her being loud that wasn't the problem. The problem comes later when the couple is down about 9 or 10 grand and she's no longer betting the field but she's betting single black chips on DP and screaming for a 7.
Eventually all the money is gone. Adios.
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I PROMISE you the dealers felt she was better for the table than you were. I enjoy ‘screamers’ at the table. Adds excitement. And do you really care if someone is playing DP and rooting to win? Who the f cares!
Quote: SOOPOOAnd do you really care if someone is playing DP and rooting to win? Who the f cares!
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I personally wouldn't care, but do consider it to be bad etiquette. When I bet the don't, I just stand there and play quietly to not ruin the fun of the majority betting the other way.
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I PROMISE you the dealers felt she was better for the table than you were. I enjoy ‘screamers’ at the table. Adds excitement. And do you really care if someone is playing DP and rooting to win? Who the f cares!
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Screamers I am mixed on. Usually they add excitement. But check my DT blog for the story of a dopey one was just driving me insane. If they are screaming over something does not make sense it gets to me.
Quote: AlanMendelsonscreaming for a 7.
I once saw a comedian who was giving advice to craps players.
He told them to return to their room with a pair of dice.
Place the dice on the dresser and yell as loud as you can "Come on 7!"
He then said "Tell me if the dice move."
Quote: billryanAs a BJ player, I have moved tables to get away from shrieking females at an adjacent craps table. The El Cortez was the worst for that. I can almost always tune it out, but over the years I've moved a half dozen times or so. I don't play craps but at least you would know when the person was about to scream. With my back turned to the crap table, they come unexpectedly.
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That's an interesting thing because, from the perspective of players, one would think that it would be best to have strategy-dependent card games completely separate from games that don't require much in the way of thought---such as Craps, Roulette, Big Six and Baccarat---which all tend to be the more raucous games (other than Big Six, which is only rarely played at all).
On the other hand, Blackjack can sometimes get loud (usually an individual player or two), but most typically in terms of table noise---when a dealer busts in a way that causes the entire table to win the hand.
From the perspective of casinos, having solid card players be distracted by this sort of noise (and, consequently, make mistakes they might not otherwise) is probably the ideal situation.
I understand ZCore has worked as a Table Games Manager, so it would be interesting to get his take on this.
I can promise, it doesn't influence the dice. It does influence other players to want to fight me.
Stories can be found in other threads.
Another don’t-pass approach is: whenever someone sevens out, you make pistols with both hands and “shoot” the dice. Bam! Especially when you have all the numbers covered with 6x odds from Don’t Come bets…a grand slamQuote: WizardQuote: SOOPOOAnd do you really care if someone is playing DP and rooting to win? Who the f cares!
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I personally wouldn't care, but do consider it to be bad etiquette. When I bet the don't, I just stand there and play quietly to not ruin the fun of the majority betting the other way.
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Yet, I see it in bj.
I recall a blackjack player scream and hit his fist on the table after a big win. The pit boss looked annoyed. The Player asked for a comp. The Pitboss said no.
Quote: JohnzimboHow did you determine they were tourists?
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If you don’t know, you don’t play craps a lot.
Quote: VegasriderImagine what she sounds like in the bedroom.
"Hard four? Are you kidding me? Mama needs a hard eight!"
can we make a movie out of that?
Quote: heatmapthe vibe im getting from this thread is that alan wants his craps table to be somewhat aligned with the rules of a funeral and everyone else wants to be throwing the dice while an orgy porno happens
can we make a movie out of that?
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Do you have a script?
Quote: DieterQuote: heatmapthe vibe im getting from this thread is that alan wants his craps table to be somewhat aligned with the rules of a funeral and everyone else wants to be throwing the dice while an orgy porno happens
can we make a movie out of that?
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Do you have a script?
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you just quoted it
best part yet its based on true stories
Quote: heatmapQuote: DieterQuote: heatmapthe vibe im getting from this thread is that alan wants his craps table to be somewhat aligned with the rules of a funeral and everyone else wants to be throwing the dice while an orgy porno happens
can we make a movie out of that?
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Do you have a script?
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you just quoted it
best part yet its based on true stories
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I do not think there's enough there to make a movie, not even the kind where the "story" is that a pizza gets delivered to the cheerleader's house.
Best of luck in your endeavours!
Quote: heatmapthe vibe im getting from this thread is that alan wants his craps table to be somewhat aligned with the rules of a funeral and everyone else wants to be throwing the dice while an orgy porno happens
can we make a movie out of that?
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I have an idea, but I don't think it would constitute a legal dice throw.
Quote: DieterQuote: heatmapQuote: DieterQuote: heatmapthe vibe im getting from this thread is that alan wants his craps table to be somewhat aligned with the rules of a funeral and everyone else wants to be throwing the dice while an orgy porno happens
can we make a movie out of that?
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Do you have a script?
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you just quoted it
best part yet its based on true stories
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I do not think there's enough there to make a movie, not even the kind where the "story" is that a pizza gets delivered to the cheerleader's house.
Best of luck in your endeavours!
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Quote: Mission146Quote: heatmapthe vibe im getting from this thread is that alan wants his craps table to be somewhat aligned with the rules of a funeral and everyone else wants to be throwing the dice while an orgy porno happens
can we make a movie out of that?
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I have an idea, but I don't think it would constitute a legal dice throw.
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Quote: JohnzimboHow did you determine they were tourists?
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Strip or high end downtown
99.9% of gamblers are tourists
I'm a don't player sometimes
Just one bet then I walk away
I like the Dont
If I survive the come out
Odds shift way in my favor and much more fun to watch rooting for a 7
Quote: pwcrabbAt a game of casino craps, a "tourist" is a player with minimal knowledge of craps rules, protocol, and etiquette.
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Allow me to add the rules that the tourist violated. While her husband stood at stick right she stood next to the base dealer. Multiple times the base dealer asked her to move away so she wasn't so close. The dealer was correct -- it was a matter of game protection because she said she couldn't reach the self-service field box, and she was placing her stack of field betting chips in the 10 box. Repeatedly the dealer asked her not to do that. Several times the boxman got involved and then a floor supervisor.
Mrs. Tourist also demanded a dinner comp and insisted the boxman make the reservation -- he said he could not make a reservation but there was no problem with the comp.
It wasn't only that she was screaming 7 when she switched to DP after losing so much in the field.
That's a tourist for you.
Quote: billryanThose type can be annoying but always remember they are depositing the money that APs need the casinos to bring in so they can make their withdrawals. They are a vital part of the AP food chain.
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Bill Ryan nailed it!
Quote: billryanThose type can be annoying but always remember they are depositing the money that APs need the casinos to bring in so they can make their withdrawals. They are a vital part of the AP food chain.
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With that kind of logic, we should support betting systems and the people who tout them - because they create losers who feed the casino and thus are part of the AP food chain.
We should support people on this forum who claim that they never or rarely lose - because they encourage unprepared naive people to gamble and feed the casinos. And thus are important to the AP food chain.
What a point of view! I don't view everything around me as a food chain.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: billryanThose type can be annoying but always remember they are depositing the money that APs need the casinos to bring in so they can make their withdrawals. They are a vital part of the AP food chain.
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With that kind of logic, we should support betting systems and the people who tout them - because they create losers who feed the casino and thus are part of the AP food chain.
We should support people on this forum who claim that they never or rarely lose - because they encourage unprepared naive people to gamble and feed the casinos. And thus are important to the AP food chain.
What a point of view! I don't view everything around me as a food chain.
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I'm sure few on the lower portion of the chain look at themselves as being part of it. I doubt any cow thinks it's purpose in life is to
provide a few minutes of happiness to me.
Which of the two of us supports people who claim they never lose? I've been suspended a dozen times for arguing against such people and their bs claims. It's a shame neither of us has the power and authority to do something about them.
Quote: gordonm888
We should support people on this forum who claim that they never or rarely lose - because they encourage unprepared naive people to gamble and feed the casinos. And thus are important to the AP food chain.
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This is exactly why I feel its important to speak up and counter the BS system people
There are a lot of people out there with a gambling problem
I saw one friends life spiral downward due to gambling
That's why I feel it is so important to counter system lies because a poor soul with a gambling problem may see this as salvation to win their money back but in reality fall deeper into a hole.
Of course I can go 15 rolls without hitting my point so I have a separate place bet out so that can hit.
On Bubble Craps, if I'm betting Don't against someone else and they pass the dice back to me by forgetting to make a line bet (sometimes as a tourist, sometimes intentional, sometimes multiple people at once), I don't get a chance to change my bets before throwing the dice.
Quote: mcallister3200If it makes you feel better, or worse, as a former craps dealer I disliked all craps players equally and most dealers feel the same way, any other players in the pit please.
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So, my question to the dealers when I play is: When a point is converted (made), the dealer yells "WINNER," how come when there is a "7-out," the dealer doesn't shout "LOSER"?
tuttigym
Quote: tuttigymQuote: mcallister3200If it makes you feel better, or worse, as a former craps dealer I disliked all craps players equally and most dealers feel the same way, any other players in the pit please.
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So, my question to the dealers when I play is: When a point is converted (made), the dealer yells "WINNER," how come when there is a "7-out," the dealer doesn't shout "LOSER"?
tuttigym
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I'm going to guess because:
1.) Most people play the Pass Line.
2.) "Loser," has a negative connotation.
AND:
3.) Because the call is, "Seven Out," which describes what happens. Regardless of what happens to individual bettors, the number being hit means that the Pass Line itself wins.
I guess you could make an argument for the dealers saying, "Point Made," instead of, "Front Line Winner," or, "Winner," but that wouldn't be as fun considering most people bet Pass Line.
Quote: Mission146Quote: tuttigymQuote: mcallister3200If it makes you feel better, or worse, as a former craps dealer I disliked all craps players equally and most dealers feel the same way, any other players in the pit please.
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So, my question to the dealers when I play is: When a point is converted (made), the dealer yells "WINNER," how come when there is a "7-out," the dealer doesn't shout "LOSER"?
tuttigym
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I'm going to guess because:
1.) Most people play the Pass Line.
2.) "Loser," has a negative connotation.
AND:
3.) Because the call is, "Seven Out," which describes what happens. Regardless of what happens to individual bettors, the number being hit means that the Pass Line itself wins.
I guess you could make an argument for the dealers saying, "Point Made," instead of, "Front Line Winner," or, "Winner," but that wouldn't be as fun considering most people bet Pass Line.
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The question is always "tongue in cheek," and the dealers usually chuckle at the suggestion. However, one time when I did take the dice in hand, and the 7-out occurred, that dealer looked at me and said "LOSER." We both had a small laugh.
tuttigym
Quote: tuttigymQuote: mcallister3200If it makes you feel better, or worse, as a former craps dealer I disliked all craps players equally and most dealers feel the same way, any other players in the pit please.
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So, my question to the dealers when I play is: When a point is converted (made), the dealer yells "WINNER," how come when there is a "7-out," the dealer doesn't shout "LOSER"?
tuttigym
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Everything the casino does is to stroke the ego of the " valued customers" who are paying the bills. They want you to win. Casinos don't make their money by people losing. They make it by paying less than the real payout.
These days, you can bet 45 coins on a slot machine, hit a combo that pays 6 coins and enoy all the bells and whistles that accompany a winning bet.
I've seen the dealers give themselves hop bets or hardway bets but never a dont bet.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI've never seen a dealer take a hand-in toke and use it to make a DP or a DC bet -- even when the table has only don't players.
I've seen the dealers give themselves hop bets or hardway bets but never a dont bet.
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Is that common? I've never seen a dealer do anything with a hand-in other than lock it up.
Quote: Mission146Quote: AlanMendelsonI've never seen a dealer take a hand-in toke and use it to make a DP or a DC bet -- even when the table has only don't players.
I've seen the dealers give themselves hop bets or hardway bets but never a dont bet.
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Is that common? I've never seen a dealer do anything with a hand-in other than lock it up.
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I'm not sure it's common but when the hand in toke is only $1 or $2 they'll bet it.
Larger hand ins go into the box.
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I'm not sure it's common but when the hand in toke is only $1 or $2 they'll bet it.
Larger hand ins go into the box.
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The place where I have played the most Craps has an awesome policy, if you bet the toke of $1 on Place 8, Place 6, or both, then it's $3 (two-for-one) and down when it hits. Effectively, you can bet your toke for the dealers at an advantage (to them).
Quote: gordonm888Quote: billryanThose type can be annoying but always remember they are depositing the money that APs need the casinos to bring in so they can make their withdrawals. They are a vital part of the AP food chain.
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With that kind of logic, we should support betting systems and the people who tout them - because they create losers who feed the casino and thus are part of the AP food chain.
We should support people on this forum who claim that they never or rarely lose - because they encourage unprepared naive people to gamble and feed the casinos. And thus are important to the AP food chain.
What a point of view! I don't view everything around me as a food chain.
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Might I recommend GWAE for a more enlightened point of view!
Quote: DeMangoQuote: gordonm888Quote: billryanThose type can be annoying but always remember they are depositing the money that APs need the casinos to bring in so they can make their withdrawals. They are a vital part of the AP food chain.
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With that kind of logic, we should support betting systems and the people who tout them - because they create losers who feed the casino and thus are part of the AP food chain.
We should support people on this forum who claim that they never or rarely lose - because they encourage unprepared naive people to gamble and feed the casinos. And thus are important to the AP food chain.
What a point of view! I don't view everything around me as a food chain.
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Might I recommend GWAE for a more enlightened point of view!
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Again, I was criticizing billryan's post that said we should tolerate and accommodate disruptive clue-less 'tourists' because they keep the casinos in business - by pointing out that "let's keep the casinos in business!" is not the attitude we take with betting systems and boasters. So, the "unenlightened views" above were not being advocated by me.So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
Quote: DeMangoQuote: gordonm888Quote: billryanThose type can be annoying but always remember they are depositing the money that APs need the casinos to bring in so they can make their withdrawals. They are a vital part of the AP food chain.
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With that kind of logic, we should support betting systems and the people who tout them - because they create losers who feed the casino and thus are part of the AP food chain.
We should support people on this forum who claim that they never or rarely lose - because they encourage unprepared naive people to gamble and feed the casinos. And thus are important to the AP food chain.
What a point of view! I don't view everything around me as a food chain.
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Might I recommend GWAE for a more enlightened point of view!
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Again, I was criticizing billryan's post that seems to have said that we should tolerate and accommodate disruptive clue-less 'tourists' because they keep the casinos in business - by pointing out that "let's keep the casinos in business!" is not the attitude we take with betting systems and boasters. So, the "unenlightened views" above were not being advocated by me.
those that gamble recreationally, mainly looking for comps or a fun vacation, and who don't make a serious effort to win in the long run are IMO the dominant force in the casino gambling industry
lots of talk about APs - what are they - 1% of all gamblers?
and so many of them don't win serious money
or lose anyway because they're undercapitalized
they're a minor annoyance to the gigantic casino corporations
the powers that be would be wise not to sweat them too much - they provide some romance to the activity - the stories about the one in a million who crush the casinos for big bucks
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Those arguments between the screamer and the staff about where to stand stopped all the play at the table. And again they threatened game protection. It irritated the dealers and I'm sure the irritation carried over to how they did business with the innocent players at the table.
One loud mouth could ruin everyone's day.
And it could have gotten worse if the husband got involved but he didnt. He probably recognized his wife as acting inappropriately. He said nothing.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: DeMangoQuote: gordonm888Quote: billryanThose type can be annoying but always remember they are depositing the money that APs need the casinos to bring in so they can make their withdrawals. They are a vital part of the AP food chain.
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With that kind of logic, we should support betting systems and the people who tout them - because they create losers who feed the casino and thus are part of the AP food chain.
We should support people on this forum who claim that they never or rarely lose - because they encourage unprepared naive people to gamble and feed the casinos. And thus are important to the AP food chain.
What a point of view! I don't view everything around me as a food chain.
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Might I recommend GWAE for a more enlightened point of view!
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Again, I was criticizing billryan's post that seems to have said that we should tolerate and accommodate disruptive clue-less 'tourists' because they keep the casinos in business - by pointing out that "let's keep the casinos in business!" is not the attitude we take with betting systems and boasters. So, the "unenlightened views" above were not being advocated by me.
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I've no idea what you are going on about. I'll only say I wish I was treated the way you moderators treat boasters and systems bettors.
Am I not entitled to post my opinion that casinos need to make money off of a segment so APs can plunder them? You are welcome to your opposing opinion.
Casinos exist so that I can exploit them. As far as the casino is concerned, I exist only to be exploited. Dealing with drunken fools, loudmouths and idiots is part of the equation.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI hate when tourists show up to ruin a good craps game. It happened again this past Saturday. Tourist couple Buys in for $3k. He bets conservatively on the passline with odds and places bets on the sister number. No problem. She bets $500 at a time on the field (2X on 12 by the way) and is a screamer. When she hits she adds 50% of the win to her field bet and tips the dealers $50. She keeps screaming. Except for her being loud that wasn't the problem. The problem comes later when the couple is down about 9 or 10 grand and she's no longer betting the field but she's betting single black chips on DP and screaming for a 7.
I disagree with your labeling them "tourists."
To me that term implies they're newbies, clueless, or barely familiar with the game.
Obviously they have played before, and understand the game; their bet amounts tell me they clearly understand the game and that they're in earnest and serious about their play.
No, I wouldn't call the lady a "tourist;" I'd call her a "Karen."
I pity her poor husband.
