tuttigym
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July 6th, 2021 at 12:08:43 PM permalink
Nothing came up. Why not just tell me??

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Ace2
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July 6th, 2021 at 2:54:51 PM permalink
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Your "example," in real world terms, can not be verified, so I personally and I am not sure anyone with real craps experience, would be "confident" of a 1.41% loss.


I do not want to seem rude, but "21" is much less complicated with only one wager at risk, so that contemplating a HE/HA is not that important, I believe. The suggestion regarding the Don't Pass bet is valid and could work, but again as you yourself would say, "no guarantees." There are always pitfalls to any extended play using the same strategy repeatedly.

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1)So you are saying that in a billion coin flips, you donít ďbelieveĒ that heads will appear almost exactly 50% of the time...essentially with 100% confidence...because it cannot be verified?

2) Blackjack is so much more complicated than Craps that you canít even compare them. You can work out the edge of nearly every Craps bet in your head. Yet I have never seen a direct calculation of the edge in blackjack...only simulations
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MichaelBluejay
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July 6th, 2021 at 4:27:15 PM permalink
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Nothing came up. Why not just tell me??

You are seriously not smart enough to use Google?
Dieter
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July 6th, 2021 at 6:53:01 PM permalink
Quote: tuttigym

Nothing came up. Why not just tell me??



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

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In internet slang, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory, insincere, digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog), with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses, or manipulating others' perception. This is typically for the troll's amusement

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unJon
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July 6th, 2021 at 7:23:16 PM permalink
@MichaelBluejay,
Thatís a pretty insulting post. Iíve not quoted it in case you decide to edit it.
Last edited by: unJon on Jul 6, 2021
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MichaelBluejay
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July 6th, 2021 at 9:01:35 PM permalink
He had it coming. But Iíll take the suspension if it happens. At the same time, wasting the forumís time because youíre too lazy to Google ought to be against the rules.

Also, I directed him to a page that told him to type "troll definition" into the search box, and he couldn't even handle THAT. Real genius there. Kind of what you'd expect from someone who signs his name after every post.

Though actually, this was the link I meant to share: https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=trolling
Last edited by: MichaelBluejay on Jul 6, 2021
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July 7th, 2021 at 2:05:08 AM permalink
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couldn't even handle THAT.



In fairness, the UI and display in the early days of LMGTFY made it much more obvious what was going on. The updated link is an improvement.
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July 7th, 2021 at 5:40:27 AM permalink
I don't always give an 80 yr old a pass, but I do give them some slack when it comes to using computers.

He said 'nothing came up' and I can picture someone that age just not getting what to do

Tuttigym, I seem to be your Advocate and I don't know how I got here!
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July 7th, 2021 at 6:20:42 AM permalink
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Tuttigym, I seem to be your Advocate and I don't know how I got here!



It's a legit complaint. lmgtfy used to be the bee's knees; now apparently less so.
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tuttigym
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July 7th, 2021 at 7:50:28 AM permalink
Quote: Ace2

1)So you are saying that in a billion coin flips, you donít ďbelieveĒ that heads will appear almost exactly 50% of the time...essentially with 100% confidence...because it cannot be verified?


No, I said I do not use the coin flip example at all to explain or justify HA/HE math. One does not need one billion trials of anything to prove a postulate or hypothesis. The coin flip 50% "heads/tails" postulate is a mathematical and statistical certainty simply because it happens often, not every time and not guaranteed to happen in any specified number of attempts. I may have written this before, so if I am repeating myself and you did not see it, I apologize, but in craps, a mathematical and statistical certainty is that the 7 will be rolled 16.667% of the time or one in 6 rolls of the dice. The event is witnessed at virtually every craps table and session in the gambling world. However, it does NOT necessarily occur consecutively, with any prescribed regularity, or within any time frame, and one does not need a billion rolls of the dice to prove that hypothesis.

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2) Blackjack is so much more complicated than Craps that you canít even compare them. You can work out the edge of nearly every Craps bet in your head. Yet I have never seen a direct calculation of the edge in blackjack...only simulations


One does not have to "work out" the HE in "21." The "real edge" is that the dealer turns his card over AFTER the players make their decision based on their hand and what card the dealer has up. When the casinos went to multi-deck shoes, that edge increased even more, and when the casinos ruled that players could not enter the game in mid-shoe, that increased the HE, and if the dealer feels that some how there is an incredible card counter at their table, they will stop mid-shoe play and res-shuffle the cards and start a new shoe increasing the HE again. Obviously, based on your post you will disagree with that analysis or maybe not, and that is okay.

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