MrV
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May 21st, 2021 at 4:17:18 PM permalink
Wiz:

I read that you posted about how you were told that two dice came to rest upon each other twice within six hours at a craps table at Red Rock.

You even attached pics (see below).

A couple questions:

Who told you about it, and how reliable a reporter would you consider them to be?

Who took the pictures, and when were they taken?

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Gandler
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May 21st, 2021 at 4:25:58 PM permalink
This is probably a dumb question, but I don't really play craps. Does that count as a valid roll? Or is it voided?

(A quick google search gave conflicting results making me even more curious).
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May 21st, 2021 at 4:44:55 PM permalink
To answer your question, the one who sent me the pictures and story was Alan Mendelson.

Before you laugh, he provided the names of dealers and the time/place-stamps of the pictures. This is nowhere near as unlikely as the 18 yo's.

I asked some craps players and dealers about this. Here is what they said about how often they say is:

A.E.: Three times in 15 years of dealing craps, including twice in one week.
L.D: Zero times in 23 years dealing. To be honest, this dealer would probably only remember those throws that went down a woman's cleavage or something like that.
A.H: One time in about 650,000 throws.

Alan says he played about six hours that morning.

Here is my table of rolls per hour:

Rolls per Hour in Craps:

Players Rolls per hour
1 249
3 216
5 144
7 135
9 123
11 102

Source: https://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/craps/general/.

If we take out LD's lack of data, the probability of the dice landing on each other is about one in a million.

Alan was playing early in the morning, so the table was probability running fast. In six hours, he probably saw about 1,200 throws.

I put the probability of seeing two stacks in 1,200 throws at about one in 1.4 million.

Has anyone else on the forum seen this happen? I have not, but I don't play craps often.
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Gandler
May 21st, 2021 at 4:46:14 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

This is probably a dumb question, but I don't really play craps. Does that count as a valid roll? Or is it voided?



Alan said it counted as a "no roll" at the Red Rock.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
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May 21st, 2021 at 4:57:07 PM permalink
Thankfully, I wasn’t drinking upon the mention of 18 yo’s, don’t forget, in a row!
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May 21st, 2021 at 4:58:06 PM permalink
One time in college, I drunkenly threw a beer bottle at a brick wall. Instead of breaking, it bounced off the wall and landed upright.

I figure that is about the same odds.
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May 21st, 2021 at 5:01:31 PM permalink
Wizard.

Keywords... "I am TOLD"

Please investigate and interview the dealers, pit bosses etc.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 21st, 2021 at 5:02:31 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Wizard.

Keywords... "I am TOLD"

Please investigate and interview the dealers, pit bosses etc.



I plan to the next time I'm there in the morning.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
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May 21st, 2021 at 5:03:51 PM permalink
How could you get a pic of that so quickly the first time? Before the phone comes out wouldn't the dice be swept?
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May 21st, 2021 at 5:05:26 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I plan to the next time I'm there in the morning.

By then it will have been 3 times in a row.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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