Hunterhill
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May 21st, 2021 at 5:23:09 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

To answer your question, the one who sent me the pictures and story was Alan Mendelson.

Before you laugh, he provided the names of dealers and the time/place-stamps of the pictures. This is nowhere near as unlikely as the 18 yo's.

I asked some craps players and dealers about this. Here is what they said about how often they say is:

A.E.: Three times in 15 years of dealing craps, including twice in one week.
L.D: Zero times in 23 years dealing. To be honest, this dealer would probably only remember those throws that went down a woman's cleavage or something like that.
A.H: One time in about 650,000 throws.

Alan says he played about six hours that morning.

Here is my table of rolls per hour:

Rolls per Hour in Craps:

Players Rolls per hour
1 249
3 216
5 144
7 135
9 123
11 102

Source: https://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/craps/general/.

If we take out LD's lack of data, the probability of the dice landing on each other is about one in a million.

Alan was playing early in the morning, so the table was probability running fast. In six hours, he probably saw about 1,200 throws.

I put the probability of seeing two stacks in 1,200 throws at about one in 1.4 million.

Has anyone else on the forum seen this happen? I have not, but I don't play craps often.

I dealt craps for two years I saw it happen once it was a no roll.
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coachbelly
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May 21st, 2021 at 6:11:58 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

By then it will have been 3 times in a row.



Everything can be faked.

There is no evidence that Axel will accept that can dispute what he believes.
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May 21st, 2021 at 6:27:47 PM permalink
Quote: Johnzimbo

How could you get a pic of that so quickly the first time? Before the phone comes out wouldn't the dice be swept?



Alan said the dealers let him take the picture.
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MrV
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May 21st, 2021 at 7:11:45 PM permalink
Thanks for the info Wiz.
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DeMango
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May 21st, 2021 at 7:14:35 PM permalink
So why no pictures, names of dealers at CP after about ten yos?
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May 21st, 2021 at 7:20:30 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

Everything can be faked.

There is no evidence that Axel will accept that can dispute what he believes.

I didn't dispute this, I think it's possible, I'm just saying that stories can grow as time goes on, especially when it's an "I AM TOLD" type thing.
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AlanMendelson
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May 21st, 2021 at 8:34:53 PM permalink
First of all I want to thank Wizard for lifting my voluntary suspension so I can answer your questions.

Let me say, first of all, that I learned my lesson from reporting that 18 yos in a row were thrown by a random shooter at Caesars years ago. I regret I didnt realize the significance of it and I regret I immediately didnt take names and demand the tape from the eye. I learned my lesson. That's why I jumped into action this time.

First, what you may be wondering is that I WAS THE SHOOTER in BOTH instances so I didnt delay the shooter by taking photos.

Yes. I provided Wizard with the photos with date and time stamps AND the names of the boxmen so he can verify everything. As I said, I learned my lesson. I dont want any more attacks on my credibility-- even now AFTER I retired from the TV news business.

There was a very good question on the forum:

"How could you get a pic of that so quickly the first time? Before the phone comes out wouldn't the dice be swept?"

Yes, as Wizard told you, I had permission from the dealers. And there's more to the story.

There was a delay in sweeping the stacked dice the first time because the stick person (a young gal) didnt know what to do or how to call it.

Vitou, the boxman, was not in his seat. He was printing out a marker in the pit. He had to be called over. I immediately went over to take the photo. The dealers said nothing about taking the photo. I said to them I had to get a photo.

None of the dealers at the table saw this happen before. But i knew the rule and I immediately said it was a no roll, however. Vitou confirmed it. He works nights and is there till about 4am.

The second time it happened there were only three players at the table including me. It was the same table. Red Rock has only one table open overnight.

Jeff the boxman actually gave me time to turn on my phone and to take the photos of the second stack. I had turned my phone off during the night when the battery was low.

Vitou and Jeff. The only boxman at Red Rock with those names.

There is another question regarding the 18 yos. I didnt have a cell phone with a camera then. I asked about the tape from the eye only after I was challenged and then it was too late, Caesars had re-used it. I knew only one dealer and he retired. I did not take names.

As I said I learned my lesson. I promise you I'll document anything and everything from now on as if my life depends on it. That goes for all the grief I've sustained over the false posts on another forum regarding crazy, angry posts my own son wrote about me.

One more thing. I did not intend to stack the dice. I was as surprised and amazed as anyone else. It had nothing to do with dice setting or even my throws with the dice together to the center of the back wall. They just happened.

Note: I edited this to correct a typo. Originally I typed Caesars refused it, but I corrected it to Caesars re-used the eye in the sky tape of the 18 yos.
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May 21st, 2021 at 8:35:02 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Alan said the dealers let him take the picture.



I may have been in error about this. Alan has asked to be released from his self-suspension to address your questions.
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May 21st, 2021 at 8:40:48 PM permalink
RIP Dan Lubin


5,692 posts and never an unkind word. A true gentlemen in every sense

Dan's posts on life and marriage

DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU BELIEVE , IT MATTERS HOW YOU ACT.
GOD LOOKS AT YOUR HEART AND LIVER, AND THE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS.

MY WIFE IS FINE WITH THINGS I SAY NO. SHE SAYS NO, IT'S NO.
WE BOTH SAY NO, IT'S A PUSH. LIKE PAI GOW.
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May 21st, 2021 at 10:15:03 PM permalink
Quote: uknowwho

RIP Dan Lubin


5,692 posts and never an unkind word. A true gentlemen in every sense

Dan's posts on life and marriage

DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU BELIEVE , IT MATTERS HOW YOU ACT.
GOD LOOKS AT YOUR HEART AND LIVER, AND THE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS.

MY WIFE IS FINE WITH THINGS I SAY NO. SHE SAYS NO, IT'S NO.
WE BOTH SAY NO, IT'S A PUSH. LIKE PAI GOW.



Nice sentiment, but not quite true.

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... except for trolls on this board like Buzzard trying to start a pissing contest, as an argument starter.



source.

Hope you're doing well, Buzz.
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