Topkat10
Topkat10
Joined: Jan 7, 2019
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 15
February 2nd, 2019 at 5:49:09 AM permalink
Hello All, I am an avid craps player Mohegan Sun/Foxwoods really enjoy going to the Atlantis Bahamas and am barely on their radar the last 2 visits.,As it is insanely expensive to visit the Atlantis my question is would their be a way for myself and my partner to play opposite, Pass don't pass, come don't come or any combination of opposite play to achieve a break even scenario ? At what dollar amount would we need to put out there per roll to at least receive full Food and Beverage comp for 4 days stay ? With offers for a return trips and discounted room rates, also does depositing "upfront" money get you any further consideration I could deposit 6 or 7 thousand ahead of time and does that make sense? As it is I will be staying at the Cove which is their most expensive property on site. I am not a rated player at Mohegan or Foxwoods as I do not play enough to qualify for any top tier status. I am however a Pearl Mlife holder from a recent Vegas visit and a few vists to MGM Springfield Mass,might get me to Gold status by my next trip to Atlantis in July any opinion/ experience at the Atlantis would be hugely appreciated.
sabre
sabre
Joined: Aug 16, 2010
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 636
February 2nd, 2019 at 6:04:04 AM permalink
Playing the pass and don't pass simultaneously doesn't produce a break even scenario. You're going to lose at the average of the pass/don't pass house edge.
Topkat10
Topkat10
Joined: Jan 7, 2019
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 15
February 2nd, 2019 at 6:15:12 AM permalink
Thank you, is there a offsetting system you can think of that would achieve close to zero loss, with a partner ?
odiousgambit
odiousgambit
Joined: Nov 9, 2009
  • Threads: 288
  • Posts: 7946
Thanks for this post from:
Topkat10
February 2nd, 2019 at 6:30:36 AM permalink
Quote: Topkat10

Thank you, is there a offsetting system you can think of that would achieve close to zero loss, with a partner ?

Offsetting systems don't work ... the bets offered by the game all have negative expectation. When you look at the EV* of bet combinations, the total EV equals the sum of the EV of each bet. Thus no matter how you devise your bet combinations, you keep adding to the sum [the sum of adding negative amount + negative amount]

*EV = expected value
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
unJon
unJon
Joined: Jul 1, 2018
  • Threads: 8
  • Posts: 890
February 2nd, 2019 at 7:32:18 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Offsetting systems don't work ... the bets offered by the game all have negative expectation. When you look at the EV* of bet combinations, the total EV equals the sum of the EV of each bet. Thus no matter how you devise your bet combinations, you keep adding to the sum [the sum of adding negative amount + negative amount]

*EV = expected value



Sure but it reduces variance.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
DeMango
DeMango
Joined: Feb 2, 2010
  • Threads: 26
  • Posts: 2077
Thanks for this post from:
Topkat10
February 2nd, 2019 at 10:01:05 AM permalink
Losing one half bet per 36 rolls is not a bad way to go. That’s the vig on a do/don’t. With two players it works on the line, not sure, when odds/ lay get factored in, to keep results even between players.
SOOPOO
SOOPOO
Joined: Aug 8, 2010
  • Threads: 100
  • Posts: 5445
February 2nd, 2019 at 10:06:36 AM permalink
It is easy to figure out exactly how much you and your partner will lose playing opposite each other. It is hard to figure out exactly how much in comps you will each get for doing so. I got the Caesar's credit card and by charging a little you get to Platinum. Believe it or not, you get free days at Atlantis just by being a lowly Platinum. I do not recall how many days, what blackout days there are, etc.... But if you are going back to Atlantis I recommend you at least investigate.
Topkat10
Topkat10
Joined: Jan 7, 2019
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 15
February 2nd, 2019 at 11:24:12 AM permalink
Thanks, I did see where if you are an Mlife Gold you can switch to CET and get immediate Diamond status, that earns you 4 comp nights at Atlantis in the Beach Tower, you will be responsible for resort fees, not a bad deal but I can only travel on major holidays and those are typically blacked out ( I called). I can easily afford the Cove, it would be nice to get my F and B comped for the stay 4 days 3 nights I would be going with my son and daughter , the losses by my math would be minimal compared to the F and B costs at some of the finer restaurants on property,,dinner for 3 every night one breakfast and a few lunches, I would be betting 100 passline with 200 odds 300 total no additional bets, my son would do the same on the don't pass, no additional bets, he would not have a players card but I would submit mine, 4 hours of play per night 300 per hand 3 nights, I did stay there and played over labor day 2 nights 3 days bought in for about 500 each time passline 15 30 odds and the 6 and 8 15 each press now and again held my own did not rack up too many hours strictly craps no slots or BJ but at checkout went to the casino floor with my folio and asked if they could do anything , they took off 250.00 in F and B which was nice they also gave me a 50 dollar slot voucher which I stuck in a five dollar slot and rung it up for 1,600.00 on the second pull ! Insanely lucky as I never play slots, any way thanks for your feedback I will continue to research, any savings at that property is a bonus, I would also hope for future invites at discounted rates not sure 300 per hand would achieve that, was hoping for more feedback on this site
Xtina
Xtina
Joined: Jan 17, 2019
  • Threads: 6
  • Posts: 12
Thanks for this post from:
Topkat10
February 2nd, 2019 at 5:21:32 PM permalink
You can get status matched to CET diamond but the match doesn't give you the 15,000 tier credits you need to go to Atlantis for free (/total-rewards/tr-partners/atlantis-paradise-island). You get diamond status but 0 tier credits. I know because I was status matched to CET diamond via my Wyndham Rewards platinum, which I got by matching Hilton Honors gold to Wyndham Rewards, which I got through the AMEX Platinum card (convoluted, but it works). /total-rewards/tr-partners/wyndham_resorts Anyway, status matching the diamond is helpful if you want to waive the resort fees, but other than that for the most part you actually have to have the correct number of tier credits to take advantage of the diamond perks, including the luxury casino lounges.

EDIT: my links are broken because I'm a new member, but you can verify this information with some simple searching.
FCBLComish
FCBLComish
Joined: Apr 11, 2010
  • Threads: 2
  • Posts: 416
Thanks for this post from:
Topkat10boymimbo
February 2nd, 2019 at 5:29:13 PM permalink
I hope you factored in that the Floor Supervisors will see your do-don't play (they can figure out that the 2 players are a partnership) and may decrease the value of your rating accordingly.
Beware, I work for the dark side.... We have cookies

  • Jump to: