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Wizardofnothing
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March 10th, 2016 at 9:09:00 AM permalink
I can flip a quarter with skill..... I can make it land heads on average 51 out of 100 on heads- How can we prove this
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March 10th, 2016 at 9:31:35 AM permalink
I sometimes wonder why someone is put in time out for saying what they think about someone and they are not calling them names.

There are a lot of arrogant posters on any board, they think that they know more than anybody else that post there. Now is it a bad thing when you say that someone is arrogant? Or have you given them a compliment, where they think they know more than anybody else? I never thought the word arrogant was an insult to anybody, so I had to make sure what the definition was.

1. Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
2. Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others: an arrogant contempt for the weak.
Well, when any of us make a post that is in disagreement with anybody else aren't we all a little bit arrogant? Don't we all think that we know more than the next guy?

Now, I say that there are no AP players in the casinos because they don't know when their superior knowledge is going right down the drain. Card counters can go through periods of time when everything they do turns out to be wrong.

On a craps table, there are many variables that change every few minutes, it's not like everything is going to stay the same, from the time that you walk up to a table and start playing. No, you have other players that will do every stupid thing they can. They will stack chips as high as they can get them they will throw in their buy-in as the shooter is shooting, therefore hitting the shooters dice in mid-air. You name it and they will do it.

Some on this board will say that the so-called DI's are all arrogant by saying they can do something that others can't do, well that is what they think right? I say they are all just getting lucky when they get on a good roll and are no better than what they call the random rollers.

Years ago there were no so-called DI's and the same thing goes for the random rollers, everybody was just shooters, before they coined the words, Dice Influencer to sell everybody on trying to become a so-called DI, so the guys that were running the DI schools could make money not on their shooting but on the classes they were putting on!

Am I arrogant for questioning the use of the word arrogant to describe somebody and do I deserve to be put in time out because I did?

Do the members on this and any other board have to fear a simple word that is used to describe what they are feeling every time someone expresses that they have superior knowledge on the subject that they are posting on?

Maybe a better word would have been supercilious!
supercilious
adjective scornful, arrogant, contemptuous, disdainful, lordly, proud, lofty, stuck-up (informal), patronizing, condescending, imperious, overbearing, snooty (informal), haughty, high and mighty (informal), vainglorious, toffee-nosed (slang, chiefly Brit.), hoity-toity (informal), uppish (Brit. informal) His manner is supercilious and arrogant.
modest, humble, meek, unassuming, unpretentious, submissive, self-effacing, deferential, obsequious
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Wizardofnothing
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March 10th, 2016 at 9:46:58 AM permalink
Wow, there is a huge difference , a supposed dice influencer that has no idea if it's real vs a card counter ----I can believe you even went there- you can have things go wrong in card counting but the mathmatical facts still remain- if I make a play based on a good count I know what my edge is- just like if I play red in roulette for a promotion where red pays 4-1 for happy hour. Clearly I may not hit red for 30 spins but the edge is the edge is the edge and it is quantifiable
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March 10th, 2016 at 9:47:47 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

I can flip a quarter with skill..... I can make it land heads on average 51 out of 100 on heads- How can we prove this


Quote: Dynamical Bias in the Coin Toss

Abstract:
We analyze the natural process of flipping a coin which is caught in the hand. We
prove that vigorously-flipped coins are biased to come up the same way they started.
The amount of bias depends on a single parameter, the angle between the normal to
the coin and the angular momentum vector. Measurements of this parameter based
on high-speed photography are reported. For natural flips, the chance of coming up as
started is about .51.


http://statweb.stanford.edu/~susan/papers/headswithJ.pdf
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March 10th, 2016 at 12:43:38 PM permalink
Quote: superrick

I sometimes wonder why someone is put in time out for saying what they think about someone and they are not calling them names.

There are a lot of arrogant posters on any board, they think that they know more than anybody else that post there. Now is it a bad thing when you say that someone is arrogant? Or have you given them a compliment, where they think they know more than anybody else? I never thought the word arrogant was an insult to anybody, so I had to make sure what the definition was.

1. Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
2. Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others: an arrogant contempt for the weak.
Well, when any of us make a post that is in disagreement with anybody else aren't we all a little bit arrogant? Don't we all think that we know more than the next guy?

Now, I say that there are no AP players in the casinos because they don't know when their superior knowledge is going right down the drain. Card counters can go through periods of time when everything they do turns out to be wrong.

On a craps table, there are many variables that change every few minutes, it's not like everything is going to stay the same, from the time that you walk up to a table and start playing. No, you have other players that will do every stupid thing they can. They will stack chips as high as they can get them they will throw in their buy-in as the shooter is shooting, therefore hitting the shooters dice in mid-air. You name it and they will do it.

Some on this board will say that the so-called DI's are all arrogant by saying they can do something that others can't do, well that is what they think right? I say they are all just getting lucky when they get on a good roll and are no better than what they call the random rollers.

Years ago there were no so-called DI's and the same thing goes for the random rollers, everybody was just shooters, before they coined the words, Dice Influencer to sell everybody on trying to become a so-called DI, so the guys that were running the DI schools could make money not on their shooting but on the classes they were putting on!

Am I arrogant for questioning the use of the word arrogant to describe somebody and do I deserve to be put in time out because I did?

Do the members on this and any other board have to fear a simple word that is used to describe what they are feeling every time someone expresses that they have superior knowledge on the subject that they are posting on?

Maybe a better word would have been supercilious!
supercilious
adjective scornful, arrogant, contemptuous, disdainful, lordly, proud, lofty, stuck-up (informal), patronizing, condescending, imperious, overbearing, snooty (informal), haughty, high and mighty (informal), vainglorious, toffee-nosed (slang, chiefly Brit.), hoity-toity (informal), uppish (Brit. informal) His manner is supercilious and arrogant.
modest, humble, meek, unassuming, unpretentious, submissive, self-effacing, deferential, obsequious

no youre not arrogant, you're a retard.
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March 10th, 2016 at 6:05:35 PM permalink
Quote: ontariodealer

no youre not arrogant, you're a retard.



Really, OD? Did you have to?

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March 10th, 2016 at 11:49:52 PM permalink
Spiro Agnew had it right so many years ago: "Nattering Nabobs of Negativity"
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
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March 10th, 2016 at 11:59:52 PM permalink
Some more Agnew:

"Three things have been difficult to tame: the oceans, fools and women. We may soon be able to tame the oceans; fools and women will take a little longer."

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March 12th, 2016 at 1:09:22 PM permalink
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From MathExtremist: "Have you ever tried to keep the dice on axis when you throw? Try it sometime. It's likely that over 100 tries, you won't manage to pull it off even once. It would be a significant and profitable level of skill to keep the dice on axis even 4% of the time (once out of every 25 rolls). Think about that for a minute - that's only one on-axis roll every three hands, on average. If you can do that, and you know how to bet properly, you've got the edge."


Hypothetical for MathExtremist:

I'm curious how one could bet on that edge when you don't know which throw of those 25 hands will be the on-axis roll. The unfortunate dilemma with DI is that a technically precise toss is needed just to get the dice to travel in an axial controlled flight, regardless and before the effects at landing, back wall, excess force/velocity, spin that causes reverse-on-impact effects, etc. Therefore, the shooter unless perfectly precise each time, can only keep the dice intentionally on axis 4%, but WITHOUT knowledge of which of the 25 rolls will be the exemplary toss. Assuming this is the case in this hypothetical, is there any edge to bet on, even for this highly skilled but still imperfect shooter who CAN throw 1 in 25 shots with perfect axial skill and axial results? After all, he would have to be assumed to be random with 44% on axis RESULTS to begin with to profit from the extra 4% axiality added by his skill? I suspect that his skill would result in slightly more or less than random results which would cancel out those skilled shots in the wash and not be reliable for profitability (in practice at a real table betting, not after huge numbers of tosses)?
MathExtremist
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March 12th, 2016 at 4:06:27 PM permalink
I'm assuming that the shooter, when he or she fails to make an on-axis throw, has the typical uniform (fair dice) probabilities. If that's not true then the numbers change. But at the end of the day, it's all just a probability distribution. You rely on the average numbers to compute the edge of the place-6 bet at 1.52%. You know that on average, 6 should appear 5 out of 36 rolls and 7 should appear 6 out of 36 rolls, but you don't know which throw of those 36 rolls will show which numbers. If the average probability of rolling a 6 changes relative to rolling a 7 -- whether it's because the dice are weighted or because the shooter has skill on certain rolls -- then the edge on the place 6 bet also changes.
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