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TomG
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January 5th, 2017 at 5:57:49 PM permalink
Quote: monet0412

I don't want to get too deep into but it is +EV but you could die of boredom.



It's so easy to figure out if they're +EV that talking about it shouldn't matter much at all. Players making max bets at multiple seats is why they (almost all) got shut down. To me, $475 riding on one push would keep me much more interested than any other machine I've played recently.

Found one recently that may be playable. Forgot to look further into it until now. I'll test it out tomorrow and see if it may be viable
monet0412
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January 5th, 2017 at 6:05:36 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

It's so easy to figure out if they're +EV that talking about it shouldn't matter much at all. Players making max bets at multiple seats is why they (almost all) got shut down. To me, $475 riding on one push would keep me much more interested than any other machine I've played recently.

Found one recently that may be playable. Forgot to look further into it until now. I'll test it out tomorrow and see if it may be viable



I'm scared. Recently some guy working surveillance posted that they know all and see all. I don't want to give all the information up on black and white. Like you said... I said enough to be able to figure it out if your into this sort of thing.

Your right ... some guys just play one card , max bet, straight up but I like to spread it out with two to four and get everyone free steaks, and not have any risk of variance.
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January 7th, 2017 at 5:34:18 AM permalink
Quote: monet0412


As you know... mistakes happen but in the end the house always wins... right??



Unless that house is the Trump Taj Mahal.
Vultures can't be choosers.
Mission146
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January 7th, 2017 at 5:35:49 AM permalink
Monet,

After the comma in your last sentence is where you may be getting into the realm of, 'Saying too much!'
Vultures can't be choosers.
MrChukklez
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January 7th, 2017 at 8:13:45 PM permalink
Lol it's just a cheap example of a iron cross copy. Advantage playing is putting better odds of a hit over the risk of losing more than you can win.

Then you walk away with very few hits and tip the dealer $5. There's plenty of ways to do it. People acting like you're getting a system sold to you when I explain this.
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MrChukklez
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January 7th, 2017 at 9:57:46 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Simple math time... On any given roll:

EV = (Field single pay - any 7 loss) + (Field double pay - any 7 loss) + (Any 7 pay - field loss) - (5, 6, 8 lose)

EV = (14/6)(10-5 + (2/36)(20-5) + (6/36)(25-10) - (14/36)(-15)

EV = (14/36)(5) + (2/36)15 + (6/36)(15) -
EV = 1.9444 + .8333 + 2.5 - 5.8333

EV = -.5556

If you double your bet:

EV(doubled bet) = 2(EV) = -1.1113

If you quadruple your bet:

EV(4x bet) = 4(EV) = -2.2225


....and so on... YOU LOSE MONEY EVERY SINGLE THROW and eventually when you get enough throws to start moving towards the long run you will GUARANTEED LOSE MONEY.




Right, but I was thinking more of someone betting $35 on the field and $15 on the any7 after that so as not to need to play catchup. That should about do it. ;P Please understand this isn't a real system and if you were to use something like this you're just trying to duck a few handpicked numbers for a minute or two
RS
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January 7th, 2017 at 10:08:09 PM permalink
Quote: MrChukklez

Quote: Romes

Simple math time... On any given roll:

EV = (Field single pay - any 7 loss) + (Field double pay - any 7 loss) + (Any 7 pay - field loss) - (5, 6, 8 lose)

EV = (14/6)(10-5 + (2/36)(20-5) + (6/36)(25-10) - (14/36)(-15)

EV = (14/36)(5) + (2/36)15 + (6/36)(15) -
EV = 1.9444 + .8333 + 2.5 - 5.8333

EV = -.5556

If you double your bet:

EV(doubled bet) = 2(EV) = -1.1113

If you quadruple your bet:

EV(4x bet) = 4(EV) = -2.2225


....and so on... YOU LOSE MONEY EVERY SINGLE THROW and eventually when you get enough throws to start moving towards the long run you will GUARANTEED LOSE MONEY.




Right, but I was thinking more of someone betting $35 on the field and $15 on the any7 after that so as not to need to play catchup. That should about do it. ;P Please understand this isn't a real system and if you were to use something like this you're just trying to duck a few handpicked numbers for a minute or two



Sounds like an awful system.
MrChukklez
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January 7th, 2017 at 10:29:30 PM permalink
No one would actually play this exact way, I'm just giving an example off the top of my head of how the style of betting works. Kind of like 32 across or iron cross. Just getting 2 or 3 hits and taking the bets down. (Whether or not you believe in the gamblers fallacy it's enough money to walk away unless craps is your hobby.)
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January 8th, 2017 at 3:56:40 AM permalink
Quote: MrChukklez

Lol it's just a cheap example of a iron cross copy. Advantage playing is putting better odds of a hit over the risk of losing more than you can win.

Then you walk away with very few hits and tip the dealer $5.

So, like switching your bet to the 'don't' after the puck flips to 'on'? You better tip whoever lets you do that!

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There's plenty of ways to do it. People acting like you're getting a system sold to you when I explain this.



Well, as a matter of fact I was going to offer you some money for your system. But you seem to be backing off of it now.

So I won't.
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January 8th, 2017 at 10:41:16 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

So, like switching your bet to the 'don't' after the puck flips to 'on'? You better tip whoever lets you do that!



Well, as a matter of fact I was going to offer you some money for your system. But you seem to be backing off of it now.

So I won't.



Nah, like taking the 6and8 with your point, but taking all the bets down at once after 1 hit instead of pressing them

Would be better to have 3 numbers running at true odds, but this way you can choose the numbers to be working and take down everything besides your flat bet after X hits.

Billy Mays couldn't sell that system to a leaky bathtub in hell, man. ;P

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