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Ahigh
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April 10th, 2013 at 4:58:37 PM permalink
Yeah, no worries, and I understand. Absolutely some players have the dice taken away for taking too much time.

That's never happened. It was very specifically about short roll in this case. I was shooting as soon as the dice got sent out to me and I took no more than three seconds to set the dice and no more than one second to shoot after the dice were pushed my way.

I was writing and looking at charts during the time that the dice were being called and in the center.

Teddy was there too. But this is influence on short rolls they are worried about, and it's well known that casinos do worry about short rolls.

Whether there are influenced short rolls is another debate. But the casinos assume that there is and they worry about them sometimes.
MrV
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April 10th, 2013 at 5:45:50 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

That's never happened. It was very specifically about short roll in this case. I was shooting as soon as the dice got sent out to me and I took no more than three seconds to set the dice and no more than one second to shoot after the dice were pushed my way.



While I am not a dice setter (duh!), it certainly makes sense that someone who sets and plays regularly would be able to quickly set / fix the dice the way they want them, even when sliding the dice from where the stick leaves them to where the player chooses to pick them up.

So, an experienced dice setter will not slow down the game enough to warrant countermeasures.

Rookies and wannabes, ubetcha: ma and pa Kettle superstitiously fondling and blowing on the dice waste lots of time, but that nonsense is nothing new.

No, countermeasures are the fault of guys like Scoblete, who brag about beating the casinos out of millions by dice setting.
"What, me worry?"
AlanMendelson
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April 10th, 2013 at 7:15:25 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

While I am not a dice setter (duh!), it certainly makes sense that someone who sets and plays regularly would be able to quickly set / fix the dice the way they want them, even when sliding the dice from where the stick leaves them to where the player chooses to pick them up.

So, an experienced dice setter will not slow down the game enough to warrant countermeasures.

Rookies and wannabes, ubetcha: ma and pa Kettle superstitiously fondling and blowing on the dice waste lots of time, but that nonsense is nothing new.

No, countermeasures are the fault of guys like Scoblete, who brag about beating the casinos out of millions by dice setting.



I agree with MrV and Ahigh that experienced dice setters can make their set in two seconds-- literally. This is nonsense blaming dice setters for delaying the game. Blame the new players, the players changing their bets, the players arguing with dealers, the players who do a pre roll ritual of praying, kissing, turning in circles, ordering drinks, then changing their bets again, then changing their drink order... for slowing the game.
SanchoPanza
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April 10th, 2013 at 7:38:41 PM permalink
The answer to the question of the thread's title seems to be growing clearer here. The answer, by all appearances, is dice influence starts whenever the shooter says it does.
Ahigh
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April 10th, 2013 at 8:06:12 PM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

The answer to the question of the thread's title seems to be growing clearer here. The answer, by all appearances, is dice influence starts whenever the shooter says it does.



I disagree. The only influence that casinos are concerned about is the influence that affects the bottom line. And my belief is that the only influence that is known to affect the bottom line is sliding and short rolls. The end.

Any other influence is not even proven to exist in the casino. So it's pointless to argue about when something that isn't proven to exist is to begin.

It would be about as fruitful as talking about which superstitions are true and which ones are false.
AlanMendelson
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April 10th, 2013 at 8:56:57 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I disagree. The only influence that casinos are concerned about is the influence that affects the bottom line. And my belief is that the only influence that is known to affect the bottom line is sliding and short rolls. The end.

Any other influence is not even proven to exist in the casino. So it's pointless to argue about when something that isn't proven to exist is to begin.

It would be about as fruitful as talking about which superstitions are true and which ones are false.



So I don't understand. If this is what you truly believe why are you spending so much time doing whatever you are doing?
MrPapagiorgio
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April 11th, 2013 at 2:16:42 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

The response wasn't about me. It was about how to tell when influence starts. The topic of the thread. This is one way to tell. If you want to talk about the possibility of me being a marked man, that's maybe another subject for another thread. But short answer: "ABSOLUTELY NOT!" Everywhere I go my play is welcome and everywhere I go they absolutely love me.

Yesterday was an exception, not the rule. Again, I await TeddyS's unbiased opinion. Maybe he will add his two cents.

When they gave me troubles at LVH, they didn't like HOW I was throwing the dice (IE: consistently and a little more slowly) more than anything else. I still shoot very fast. Look at the you tube video for the Wizard's Challenge on the Ahigh show. That's how fast I shoot. They were picking nits because about all I hit were 6 and 8 and I turned $25 into $150 in just a few rolls and then neutralized my come bets. It was after I neutralized my come bets that they complained about the pace, and it probably had more to do with me knowing how to win without taking huge risks that they didn't like.

If I bet $180 across to win $125 in 8 throws, it would have been no big whoop.

They don't like big percentage wins real quick unless you are exposed properly. I was parlaying come bets with no odds. They didn't like how I shot and they didn't like how I bet.

But each place is different. As it relates to the thread though, both these instances were feedback of what one would expect when you are influencing the dice. And to be clear again, I'm not saying this is confirmation, just what you should EXPECT if you are able to accomplish it.



I logged in after nearly 4 years of inactive lurking just to tell you how absolutely bat shit crazy you sound. That is all.
So I says to him, I said "Get your own monkey!"
Zcore13
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April 11th, 2013 at 2:18:53 PM permalink
Quote: MrPapagiorgio

I logged in after nearly 4 years of inactive lurking just to tell you how absolutely bat shit crazy you sound. That is all.



LOL Welcome back! I feel your pain.

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Ahigh
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April 11th, 2013 at 2:23:43 PM permalink
Quote: MrPapagiorgio

I logged in after nearly 4 years of inactive lurking just to tell you how absolutely bat shit crazy you sound. That is all.



Thank you so much for your comment. I am glad you came out of hiding.

Bat shit is known to accumulate for long periods of time in caves.



It is then used to make some of the biggest pumpkins known!



It's good that my bat shit crazy got you out of your cave you big pumpkin!
EvenBob
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April 11th, 2013 at 2:28:12 PM permalink
Quote: MrPapagiorgio

I logged in after nearly 4 years of inactive lurking just to tell you how absolutely bat shit crazy you sound. That is all.



LOL! We empathize with you, dude. Ahigh will
be along any minute to tell you you're wrong.
His response to everything is 'You're wrong'

He's the 'wrong' guy..
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal

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