Harley
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February 27th, 2013 at 4:53:41 PM permalink
Casinos would never cheat .... so why was this made ... and used ...



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Electromagnetic Dice System known as a “Wall Joint” - Includes two 90 lb magnets (built into the walls to create the magnetic field), remote control system for controlling the dice, transformer, horseshoe shaped “keeper” (aligns the polarity of the magnetic dice), and two magnetic dice.



http://www.icollector.com/Electromagnetic-Dice-System-known-as-a-Wall-Joint-I_i8610121
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MathExtremist
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February 27th, 2013 at 5:00:18 PM permalink
"Circa 1940s." You do know who was running casinos in the 1940s, right? Your argument is somewhat like pointing to antique Chinese dice as evidence that "dice are biased."

"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
Harley
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February 27th, 2013 at 5:14:49 PM permalink
Exactly MathExtremist ..... who do you think runs a more honest game -- the Mafia or Corporate America ?

-- who started 6:5 BlackJack ... and tighter slot machines ?? .... not the Mafia ... it was Corporate GREED

BTW, the design of those antique Chinese dice were more apt to be balanced than current cheap Mexico dice ... notice the large 1 pip to compensate for the 6 pips
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vendman1
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February 27th, 2013 at 5:15:20 PM permalink
Are you implying that modern casinos owned by billion dollar corporations cheat in today's regulatory environment? I highly doubt it. Big difference between mobbed up Vegas of the old days and the modern era.
Harley
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February 27th, 2013 at 5:22:37 PM permalink
LoL ... what "regulatory environment" --- the same one along with corporate financial pressures and greed that have literally ruined other corporate giants like Enron, Arthur Andersen, WorldCom, Barings Bank, Wall Street Investment Bankers, Fannie Mae and Mortgage brokers ?

.... and can you give me 1 single regulation or law regarding dice specifications in Nevada ?
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vendman1
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February 27th, 2013 at 5:30:58 PM permalink
First, the ineffectiveness of the Federal gov't (SEC, FDIC, etc). At catching financial malfeasance is loosely related, at best, to the NGC or any other regulatory authority that covers casino gaming. So that doesn't really make any points for your argument.

So if you want to tell me that an online gaming company or some offshore boat casino is screwing it's customers, I'll listen. You'd probably be right. But if you are trying to convince me that a modern big time casino, owned by MGM or CET is cheating at dice or roulette with magnets...I call BS. So produce some evidence in the last 30 years or so...I doubt you can.

I can't quote NGC dice regulations. But I run a business and wouldn't screw up millions if not billions in profit....to cheat at a game in which I already have a built in house edge.
onenickelmiracle
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February 27th, 2013 at 5:58:04 PM permalink
They have perfected things way beyond needing tools a simpleton can make and operate in such a way, you would never be able to just observe and prove something is wrong. If you think about the light wand costing them 100 million dollars, then wonder where did all the money go which isn't being simply stolen anymore and add it to all these "improvements", you're mind blown. They just need to break the oligarchies up and update all the regulations with the customer in mind.

As far as cheating goes, only the Ron Harrises and the Larry Volks out there know. I would imagine they have perfected things to keep them bought off for life now, so they would never come forward.
Harley
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February 27th, 2013 at 6:16:35 PM permalink
AMEN onenickelmiracle !!

vendman1 - it's not called cheating in Nevada because there are no laws against it ... it's called increasing house edge or profit margin

vendman1 - are you saying as a business man you would only make the allowed built-in profit margin and refuse to increase your profit margin by say 800% if you could ??

The Corporate greedy casinos within the past decade did just that when they created 6:5 BlackJack (see http://www.blackjack-scams.com/html/6_5_blackjack.html )

In his book, Steven L Forte ( $750.00 at The Gambler's Book Shop on Eastern Ave. in Las Vegas) called “Casino Game Protection: A Comprehensive Guide”, explains on page 247:
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The bottom line: in jurisdictions without regulations that set forth an acceptable range of tolerances or standards, it can be difficult to state when a die is legally acceptable, or when it should be deemed a cheating device.



As explained on our website (Link listed in my signature), there are no technical dice specification laws in Nevada

This vagueness in the Nevada dice laws allows the casinos to have an unfair game and increase the House edge as much as they desire --- just like they did when they started using 6:5 BlackJack to increase the House edge by over 800 percent
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MathExtremist
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February 27th, 2013 at 6:28:42 PM permalink
Decreasing the pay for a natural in blackjack from 1.5 to 1.2 is qualitatively no different than decreasing the pay for a full house in Jacks or Better from 9 to 8, or decreasing the pay on a hopping hardway from 30-to-1 to 30-for-1. None of those is cheating. By tightening the game, the casino is simply raising the price to play, but raising prices isn't "cheating". What's cheating is offering a game based on explicit rules and then surreptitiously changing how the game works. That's reflected in the definition of "cheat" in the NRS, but it's also very different than openly changing the payouts on a game.

And don't conflate the two meanings of "fair". Gambling games are mathematically unfair in that they're tilted toward the house, but they are nevertheless fair (i.e. just) in that the rules apply equally to all parties. Use of a cheating device violates the second meaning of "fairness" and is illegal.

So you may not like a 6:5 game, but it's not unfair in the way that a game would be if it paid 3:2 on naturals but secretly had all the aces removed.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
Harley
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February 27th, 2013 at 8:13:57 PM permalink
Fair is when they mark a game as 6:5 when it is 6:5 ... in Nevada they do not have to do so

likewise with dice, Nevada does not have to use fair dice

.... you say potato, I say potatoes
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