TIMSPEED
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February 28th, 2013 at 1:34:25 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan


Almost never happens, and the boxman can simply check for balanced dice.
Some casino managers/TGD's are balanced and civil themselves, and others are superstitious, obnoxious fools.


Yeah...and I even told my host about the incident...but I know the Ascuaga's absolutely won't fire certain people...only because a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
onenickelmiracle
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February 28th, 2013 at 1:59:03 PM permalink
An argument based on the idea it is illogical to cheat is not good enough, because people are not rational beings and defy logic on a daily basis. It has happened and it can happen. The system is certainly not fool-proof.
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Ahigh
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February 28th, 2013 at 2:13:31 PM permalink
If cheating is legal, they will cheat. This is proven time and time again all over the place.

I don't see that these guys are breaking the laws if we are still talking about dice here in Nevada.

They cheat every time they only pay $310 for a $10 boxcar! But that's just how the game is played! They keep $50 and they give you $310. Then they assume you want to bet it again, and give you $300.

But it's just not called cheating. It's okay! The rules are known and approved and legal.

Similarly with using dice. They use dice for a long time. And if they know that the dice would be a good match with a shooter's bets, there are no laws saying you cannot put a stick of dice on a table just because you think it will cause a particular betting style to lose.

A good casino person who is concerned about larger than normal bets on the table is going to do anything they can from preventing that player from taking the casino for a large sum of money relative to their normal action.
Malaru
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February 28th, 2013 at 2:39:24 PM permalink
Question on the subject- ... is a casino placing a shill at a poker table, cheating?
"Although men flatter themselves with their great actions, they are not so often the result of a great design as of chance." - Francois De La Rochefoucauld
Nareed
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February 28th, 2013 at 2:42:33 PM permalink
Quote: vendman1

Exactly my point couldn't agree more...Harley, and anyone else accusing the casino's of cheating, need more actual evidence and less vague accusations.



Alas, we seem to be in the minority.

But it is such a sane place to be! :)
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24Bingo
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February 28th, 2013 at 2:49:15 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

Similarly with using dice. They use dice for a long time. And if they know that the dice would be a good match with a shooter's bets, there are no laws saying you cannot put a stick of dice on a table just because you think it will cause a particular betting style to lose.



If the dice would be a good match with any shooter's bets, they are indeed forbidden by law in Nevada, and most jurisdictions, from using them. It's all in your head, Ace.

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Quote: MrV

Good grief, are you drunk?

Of course they do, duh-oh!

See NRS 465.075 and .080, e.g.

The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
MathExtremist
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February 28th, 2013 at 3:06:26 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

If cheating is legal, they will cheat.


Cheating is never legal, so if something is legal it's not cheating.

"NRS 465.083  Cheating.  It is unlawful for any person, whether the person is an owner or employee of or a player in an establishment, to cheat at any gambling game."
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Zcore13
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February 28th, 2013 at 3:39:21 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

If cheating is legal, they will cheat. This is proven time and time again all over the place.

I don't see that these guys are breaking the laws if we are still talking about dice here in Nevada.

They cheat every time they only pay $310 for a $10 boxcar! But that's just how the game is played! They keep $50 and they give you $310. Then they assume you want to bet it again, and give you $300.

But it's just not called cheating. It's okay! The rules are known and approved and legal.

Similarly with using dice. They use dice for a long time. And if they know that the dice would be a good match with a shooter's bets, there are no laws saying you cannot put a stick of dice on a table just because you think it will cause a particular betting style to lose.

A good casino person who is concerned about larger than normal bets on the table is going to do anything they can from preventing that player from taking the casino for a large sum of money relative to their normal action.



Ahigh,

The thing you just can't seem to grasp is that the casino doesn't care about larger than normal bets. The house edge fixes all ailments. If the player is not cheating, nobody cares how many times he rolls a number or how much he is betting. The house edge trumps everything.

If they suspect you are cheating, they might switch dice on you. There is nobody tracking dice rolls and putting in dice more likely to hit 5 or 9 when you are playing 6 and 8. It just doesn't happen.

I'm sure you're a nice guy and you seem fairly intelligent, but you are so off base on this topic it's begun to be comical.

ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
TheWolf713
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February 28th, 2013 at 3:49:33 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Ahigh,

The thing you just can't seem to grasp is that the casino doesn't care about larger than normal bets. The house edge fixes all ailments. If the player is not cheating, nobody cares how many times he rolls a number or how much he is betting. The house edge trumps everything.

If they suspect you are cheating, they might switch dice on you. There is nobody tracking dice rolls and putting in dice more likely to hit 5 or 9 when you are playing 6 and 8. It just doesn't happen.

I'm sure you're a nice guy and you seem fairly intelligent, but you are so off base on this topic it's begun to be comical.

ZCore13



Finally... Someone with common sense..
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EvenBob
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February 28th, 2013 at 3:55:47 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Ahigh,

The thing you just can't seem to grasp is that the casino doesn't care about larger than normal bets. The house edge fixes all ailments. If the player is not cheating, nobody cares how many times he rolls a number or how much he is betting. The house edge trumps everything.



On another gambling forum years ago, we had a floor
manager from the UK as a poster. He would constantly
tell us the casino could care less about most bets that
were made, and they spent far less time thinking about
players than the public perceives. He assumed the house
edge took care of the profits, which indeed it does.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal

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