Juyemura
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January 31st, 2013 at 11:01:16 PM permalink
I know that Crapless Craps is a bad game with a pass line house edge of 5.382% or so (from WOO). However, when I go to Las Vegas next month, one of my friends who I am going with absolutely loves Crapless Craps and would want me to play with them at the same table.

Are you still able to place the 6 and 8 for the same house edge as normal craps? (1.515%). Would that be my best bet? I won't shoot the dice at all on a Crapless table, and therefore won't play the pass line.

Also, would a casino rate me higher at the Crapless craps game since the theoretical house edge is higher? For example, would a $120 Crapless craps player be rated higher then a $120 craps player, despite the same bets due to the fact that Crapless craps has worse odds? I am guessing that a host would prefer a Crapless craps player to a craps player.
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January 31st, 2013 at 11:21:42 PM permalink
Quote: Juyemura

Are you still able to place the 6 and 8 for the same house edge as normal craps? (1.515%).
Would that be my best bet?
I won't shoot the dice at all on a Crapless table, and therefore won't play the pass line.

One of the best bets by HE,
Yes, the Place 6 & 8 are still very popular bets at Crapless Craps tables.

I have seen so many players make a pass line bet with odds, place the 6&8 and then ask the dealers about the table or even the dealer telling new player that this table is Crapless and they still pass/odds and place 6&8.

More in this thread
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/12631-crapsless-no-craps-tables-continuous-come-odds-bets-works-well/

Good Luck next month!
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FleaStiff
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February 1st, 2013 at 6:48:23 AM permalink
>I know that Crapless Craps is a bad game ... However one of my friends absolutely loves Crapless Craps and would want me to play.
Well, its good that you know the truth about the game and that you are keeping an open mind about it. So many purists would want to consult the appropriate WOO page and forget that in Vegas a role is also played by alcohol, fatigue, social relationships, whims, etc.

>Are you still able to place the 6 and 8 for the same house edge as normal craps? (1.515%). Would that be my best bet?
Yes, I think it would be.

>Also, would a casino rate me higher at the Crapless craps game since the theoretical house edge is higher?
Well, they probably should rate you slightly higher but a good deal of that rating stuff is already set in their computer, so there is not much fine adjustment that can be done even by an alert and dedicated host. The highest factor in any rating is Time At Table and I doubt any floor man or pit boss is really going to care much whether you were at the Craps table or the Crapless table. They get an idea of the time you spent there, they get an idea of your bet types and bet amounts and then they go on to other duties and other players. Its not a very precise procedure and the casino doesn't much care what the effects of all the "rounding off" and "estimating" is. They get a rough idea, an impression ... and that is what you are pretty much stuck with. If the hands per minute figure and house edge figure in their computer already reflects that it is Crapless Craps, so much the better but you can't really count on anything about the rating process being quite so finely tuned.
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June 11th, 2023 at 8:35:39 AM permalink
In Vegas, do you pay the vig up front or on wins for buying 2 and 12 on a crapless table? Is there a universal rule or might it vary by casino? I値l be staying at harrahs. I致e played crapless very briefly but only placed 6/8. If vig on win only on 2/12 that痴 a much better bet.

I asked a dealer once about payouts and did not understand his answer at all. He went into a long ramble about breakage. I checked WOO and my understanding is that with vig on win only $20 buy on 2/12 should return $120 minus $1 ($119 net). Is that right?

Does $20 work as a buy on 3/11 or is there a breakage concern there? I think it痴 3/1 so shouldn稚 be any breakage.

Basically, I don稚 want to be the equivalent of the guy who bets $15 place on 6/8.
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June 11th, 2023 at 8:45:17 AM permalink
The vig is always 5%. $1 per $20.

Whether that痴 before, or after, or if they bang you for the extra dollar on say a $30 bet, can vary.
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June 11th, 2023 at 9:25:14 AM permalink
The win-only vig on a $39 buy of the 2 is 1 / (39 * 7) = 0.366%

The upfront vig on a $20 buy of the 2 is 1/21 = 4.76%, thirteen times higher
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June 11th, 2023 at 4:41:35 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

The vig is always 5%. $1 per $20.

Whether that痴 before, or after, or if they bang you for the extra dollar on say a $30 bet, can vary.
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At the crapless craps tables at Bellagio (and I think the other MGM properties in LV as well), the vig on a $25 buy bet is $1, and on a $50 buy $1 as well.

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