Worst plays you've ever witnessed
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI am bringing this thread back from the dead.
Today I saw someone stand on 2,2 vs a dealer 4.
Obviously he didn't want to take the dealer's bust card that the casino makes sure to arrange in the deck whenever the dealer has a low upcard.
Quote: SOOPOOI once saw a guy playing roulette in a casino.
Hideous!
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI am bringing this thread back from the dead.
Today I saw someone stand on 2,2 vs a dealer 4.
Many people in the casino don't even know what game they are playing, let alone how to play.
They only know put money somewhere on the table, then either win or lose.
It works for Roulette and Baccarat.
Quote: SOOPOOI once saw a guy playing roulette in a casino.
Are you sure that's not a typo and you meant "Keno"?
Quote: IbeatyouracesWhy can't people, dealers and players, just let them play their hands any damn way they want to?
They generally do. Everyone has the right to play his hand as he sees fit.
However, if a player is making a suicidal bad play, a dealer may say "you have 20 - are you sure?" with it being a help to the player.
So she called management after much debate and paper work, they let her out of the Double up and they paid her. Then the manager drew the double up card,picking the 3rd position and..... got a
A simulator thing happened with a semi AP, but a 7 came up.
Quote: AxelWolfSeen a lady get dealt a Royal on triple play .50. she was a local and regular player. She went to hold the cards fast as she seen it come in. No need, as it auto held, but it didn't lock up because it had a double up feature. oops she hit double up. A red 3 pops up as dealers card. She is VERY upset, she dose NOT want anything to do with the double up(she was convinced it's not random). I begged her to sell it to me. I didn't have more then 4k on me. I promised her I would have 2k+ delivered in 20 min. I tried everything I could think of, including her taking a chance with an insurance deal. I upped my offer . I told her she could hold my cash and even sit in the seat until money came. She wouldn't go for any deal. I didn't want to risk getting kicked out, I was already on the casinos radar, so I let it go.
So she called management after much debate and paper work, they let her out of the Double up and they paid her. Then the manager drew the double up card,picking the 3rd position and..... got aIf you guessed a two ...NOPE... it was a 4 of spades
A simulator thing happened with a semi AP, but a 7 came up.
I've never played a machine with a double up feature. How does it actually work?
From what you wrote, I gather that 1 random face-up card is dealt to the dealer, and some face-down cards are dealt to you, and you win if your selected card is higher than the dealer's?
Quote: YoDiceRoll11I wonder what this roulette player's name was. :)
The above example is just a good example of playing with your "heart" and not your head.
Your head can't function without your heart ....hemoglobin.
What was the "insurance" or whatever you were trying to buy the royal for? The total payout is $6k right? After seeing a 3 for the player's card....there's only 4 out of 48 cards that can be chosen for the dealers card to win. So the proper insurance (for you to break even), would be like 1/11 of the total payout. Why would you bet $6k to win $6k if only 4/48 cards will win? Or am I missing something?
Quote: RSIf I remember correctly (played one once months ago),,,five cards dealt face down. You pick one for yourself and it's shown face up. Then of the other 4 remaining, you pick a dealer's card.
What was the "insurance" or whatever you were trying to buy the royal for? The total payout is $6k right? After seeing a 3 for the player's card....there's only 4 out of 48 cards that can be chosen for the dealers card to win. So the proper insurance (for you to break even), would be like 1/11 of the total payout. Why would you bet $6k to win $6k if only 4/48 cards will win? Or am I missing something?
Dealers card is 3, every card will beat it except for 2. If another 3 comes up, you can either just take the original payout or pick another card to try to double.
Once you hit the double up button. It then deals a hand face down and flips the first position card face up, sometimes it says the word dealer(s) above the card. Then you have 4 renaming cards to chose from, that are face down. If your card is higher they then the dealers card you win. A tie will ask if you want to do it again. if you win you can do it again you simply hit yes or no.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceQuote: AxelWolfSeen a lady get dealt a Royal on triple play .50. she was a local and regular player. She went to hold the cards fast as she seen it come in. No need, as it auto held, but it didn't lock up because it had a double up feature. oops she hit double up. A red 3 pops up as dealers card. She is VERY upset, she dose NOT want anything to do with the double up(she was convinced it's not random). I begged her to sell it to me. I didn't have more then 4k on me. I promised her I would have 2k+ delivered in 20 min. I tried everything I could think of, including her taking a chance with an insurance deal. I upped my offer . I told her she could hold my cash and even sit in the seat until money came. She wouldn't go for any deal. I didn't want to risk getting kicked out, I was already on the casinos radar, so I let it go.
So she called management after much debate and paper work, they let her out of the Double up and they paid her. Then the manager drew the double up card,picking the 3rd position and..... got aIf you guessed a two ...NOPE... it was a 4 of spades
A simulator thing happened with a semi AP, but a 7 came up.
I've never played a machine with a double up feature. How does it actually work?
From what you wrote, I gather that 1 random face-up card is dealt to the dealer, and some face-down cards are dealt to you, and you win if your selected card is higher than the dealer's?
Craps table, older guy buys in for $500. places his bets. $25 pass line, 2x odds, $20 on high, low and yo, $20 on all the hard ways, $20 in the field and something like $15 across all numbers. He kept this going the entire time. Always rebet the high and low and hard ways when they were down. He blew threw $1000 in under 20 min. He knew how to call the bets and placed them quickly so this obviously wasn't the first time he has done this. I guess if the shooter rolls 5 12s in a row he would be in good shape.
BW answered the question. Someone can do the Math and how how big of a mistake it was for her NOT to double once the 3 came up. she gave up thousands of dollars in value With a almost guarantee that she wouldn't lose. She would have had an Extra 6k if she went for it.Quote: RSIf I remember correctly (played one once months ago),,,five cards dealt face down. You pick one for yourself and it's shown face up. Then of the other 4 remaining, you pick a dealer's card.
What was the "insurance" or whatever you were trying to buy the royal for? The total payout is $6k right? After seeing a 3 for the player's card....there's only 4 out of 48 cards that can be chosen for the dealers card to win. So the proper insurance (for you to break even), would be like 1/11 of the total payout. Why would you bet $6k to win $6k if only 4/48 cards will win? Or am I missing something?
I have never seen such a bad mistake on anything.
I Do know a pro accidentally once held all 5 cards on dealt aces on a multi line DDB high limit. Due to fatigue.
If she's not going to do it, the fairest thing is to offer half that.
Quote: dwheatleyExpectation is: 11/13 * 6k - 1/13 * 6k = $4615.38
If she's not going to do it, the fairest thing is to offer half that.
Math does not seem correct at all. If another 3 comes up you can select again if you like, for as many times as the 3 comes up.
Quote: dwheatleyExpectation is: 11/13 * 6k - 1/13 * 6k = $4615.38
If she's not going to do it, the fairest thing is to offer half that.
Actually I think the expected value should be ((11*4)/51)*6K + 0.5*(3/51))*6k - (4/51)*6k = $4882.35
Since she seemed so risk averse to playing the double up, I think a much better deal could be made by AW than giving up 1/2 the EV. It sounded like she thought something was fishy and just wanted to collect and leave. If she thought it through and made an deal for the $6k and asked for a a nominal amount more (say $500), she could have come out ahead of where she did and AW would have had a hell of a deal.
One thing we didn't account for is the taxes on the hand pay that AW would have had to pay if he had taken over the machine.
Good question. In this situation. 8k total probably so 2k over. I don't like getting high balled, so out of Principle, if someone who was going to just keep it anyways, but started to ask for more, I would have just said forget it. Also, I would have to worry that the casino seen this, and then disallowed the payment since I was not the one originally playing they could have made things difficult or claimed tax fraud or some crap, who knows. Also other factors.Quote: bwQuestion for AxelWolf, what is the most you would have paid her above the 6k for the chance of doubling with the 3 showing?
This reminds me of a question we used to talk about, in the early days. Whats the most you would put down on one match play on Black Jack. lets say you had 50k BR table max 50k
Taxes are a factor, but not a deal breaker for an AP once you add it all into all the the rest of your gambling.Quote: MidwestAPActually I think the expected value should be ((11*4)/51)*6K + 0.5*(3/51))*6k - (4/51)*6k = $4882.35
Since she seemed so risk averse to playing the double up, I think a much better deal could be made by AW than giving up 1/2 the EV. It sounded like she thought something was fishy and just wanted to collect and leave. If she thought it through and made an deal for the $6k and asked for a a nominal amount more (say $500), she could have come out ahead of where she did and AW would have had a hell of a deal.
One thing we didn't account for is the taxes on the hand pay that AW would have had to pay if he had taken over the machine.
Yea people don't like messing around with Money, they do think its a scam, I have had some success in situations like this, obvious not for as much money.
A small place used to double Royals with a coupon. My friend was sitting next to a guy who hit one, He offered the guy the coupon for $500 AFTER he used it, or to get out of the seat and let him claim the 2k. The Bartender even encouraged the guy to use the coupon. Nope, Nope, Nope.
I offered her more then 6k, But I only had 4k on Me at the time. That was one problem She would have had to wait for 20 min.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceIn your situation, I would have offered the lady $8k right off the top. She has no reason to accept $6k from you when she can just get $6k from the casino.
Lady sitting at first base on a Blackjack table gets dealt a natural 20. Dealer is showing a bust card. When the dealer asks for her move, she puts money on the table to split, but instead of putting it next to her initial bet she puts it behind the bet. So the dealer, not really paying attention to what's going on, treats that as a double down on her 20. She gets another 10, making her hand total 30 (!). However, instead of taking the cards and the money, the dealer didn't notice anything and keeps going, asking everybody else for their move. Nobody, including the lady at first base, says anything about her having 30.
Dealer eventually busts, everybody is getting paid... until he arrives at the lady in question and notices the mess. He calls the pit boss, pit boss asks the lady what's going on, and NOW she says "I wanted to split". Pit boss is confused, thinks for a second, and says she should've put her money next to her initial bet, and that even so she should've mentioned before the entire hand was over that she wanted to split. Dealer takes her money. She didn't argue. Very strange situation.
Quote: Geometrical2One of my dealer friends had this story happen to him.
Lady sitting at first base on a Blackjack table gets dealt a natural 20. Dealer is showing a bust card. When the dealer asks for her move, she puts money on the table to split, but instead of putting it next to her initial bet she puts it behind the bet. So the dealer, not really paying attention to what's going on, treats that as a double down on her 20. She gets another 10, making her hand total 30 (!). However, instead of taking the cards and the money, the dealer didn't notice anything and keeps going, asking everybody else for their move. Nobody, including the lady at first base, says anything about her having 30.
Dealer eventually busts, everybody is getting paid... until he arrives at the lady in question and notices the mess. He calls the pit boss, pit boss asks the lady what's going on, and NOW she says "I wanted to split". Pit boss is confused, thinks for a second, and says she should've put her money next to her initial bet, and that even so she should've mentioned before the entire hand was over that she wanted to split. Dealer takes her money. She didn't argue. Very strange situation.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but your friend is completely incompetent. The lady should have argued. I think it should have been no action on her hand.
Quote: AxiomOfChoicePlease don't take this the wrong way, but your friend is completely incompetent. The lady should have argued. I think it should have been no action on her hand.
I agree (not that my friend is incompetent, I guess he was tired, but indeed incompetent on that hand, lol) that it should have been no action for the lady considering the dealer was definitely more at fault than the lady on that hand. I mean how do you not notice a hand of 30?!
Quote: Geometrical2I agree (not that my friend is incompetent, I guess he was tired, but indeed incompetent on that hand, lol) that it should have been no action for the lady considering the dealer was definitely more at fault than the lady on that hand. I mean how do you not notice a hand of 30?!
Your friend gave the lady a card without determining her intention and with no verbal or hand signal or are you saying that the position of the chips will determine whether a split or double is called for? Split to the side of the bet and double behind is something I'm not familiar with.
Your friend made a mistake. He's human and the boredom and repetition of the job can cause this. It's what happens after that counts. Could your friend have stuck up for the player a little more when the pit boss arrived? Maybe, but most of the blame lays squarely on that pit boss. Shame on him for completely blowing it. He would not have pulled that on most people without a fight. Talk about taking a shot. No wonder players do it.
Quote: 1BBYour friend gave the lady a card without determining her intention and with no verbal or hand signal or are you saying that the position of the chips will determine whether a split or double is called for? Split to the side of the bet and double behind is something I'm not familiar with.
Your friend made a mistake. He's human and the boredom and repetition of the job can cause this. It's what happens after that counts. Could your friend have stuck up for the player a little more when the pit boss arrived? Maybe, but most of the blame lays squarely on that pit boss. Shame on him for completely blowing it. He would not have pulled that on most people without a fight. Talk about taking a shot. No wonder players do it.
I have to agree; no action was the only right call there. It's not logical for the pit boss to assume the lady was doubling down on 20, so he should have worked backwards from there and made the gracious call.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI've never once seen them give someone a card that would be "out of order" for them. They will give someone the option of taking a card that they have already seen to prevent this.
I have seen it many times. They allow everyone the option to back out of the hand. I have never seen it after a hand was over, but in this case, no one would back out. I did see a card burned before to maintain the 'flow', because a player wanted to hit, was not given a hit, lost, and was not allowed to hit after the fact.
Quote: SonuvabishI have seen it many times. They allow everyone the option to back out of the hand. I have never seen it after a hand was over, but in this case, no one would back out. I did see a card burned before to maintain the 'flow', because a player wanted to hit, was not given a hit, lost, and was not allowed to hit after the fact.
At my local when something like this happens they have no problem giving the player the option to back out. I am usually at a $5 or $10 table. Not sure if their ruling changes when someone has $200 on the hand.
Quote: GWAEAt my local when something like this happens they have no problem giving the player the option to back out. I am usually at a $5 or $10 table. Not sure if their ruling changes when someone has $200 on the hand.
That's been my experience. The casino almost always gives the player the benefit of the doubt and that includes $200 hands and higher. It's part of the game and the smart ones never sweat it. One thing they will never do is back up the cards.
A couple of weeks ago, I had blackjack and the dealer flipped over a blackjack without offering insurance or even money. I was given even money and the other player at the table was allowed insurance after the fact. Class act.
Quote: 1BBThat's been my experience. The casino almost always gives the player the benefit of the doubt and that includes $200 hands and higher. It's part of the game and the smart ones never sweat it. One thing they will never do is back up the cards.
A couple of weeks ago, I had blackjack and the dealer flipped over a blackjack without offering insurance or even money. I was given even money and the other player at the table was allowed insurance after the fact. Class act.
that would be hilarious if no one took the insurance. I can just hear it now, the book says to never take insurance.
Quote: 1BBThat's been my experience. The casino almost always gives the player the benefit of the doubt and that includes $200 hands and higher. It's part of the game and the smart ones never sweat it. One thing they will never do is back up the cards.
A couple of weeks ago, I had blackjack and the dealer flipped over a blackjack without offering insurance or even money. I was given even money and the other player at the table was allowed insurance after the fact. Class act.
Right, I've only seen backing up cards if the dealer has dealt out like 3 cards and skipped a circle, then they are moved left. Otherwise, this does not occur. But I do see two cards dealt out after all other cards are dealt from time to time. I recently got scolded by a kid dealer about taking insurance after it was closed...genius had it opened for a millisecond and paid zero attention to me signaling I was going to take it. "I was lucky" he let me take it...I thought no, you're lucky you did, or I would have complained about your poor procedure and my clear intention to take it, and then demanded it be honored, in addition to better attention paid to protocol. I hate when dummies tell me what I am doing wrong.
Quote: GWAEthat would be hilarious if no one took the insurance. I can just hear it now, the book says to never take insurance.
If that happens, offer to introduce them to the book's author.
Then hand them a WoO/WoV business card.
The dude next to me hit hard 16 vs dealer 8. (obviously correct).
The dealer gave him a 10 for 26.
He picked up the 10, ripped it in half, put it down and announced "I have 21."
Quote: BeardgoatHahaha. Was he shown the door?
Yes. But it was very friendly and casual.
Quote: HowManyI was at El Cortez Saturday night (5/10)
The dude next to me hit hard 16 vs dealer 8. (obviously correct).
The dealer gave him a 10 for 26.
He picked up the 10, ripped it in half, put it down and announced "I have 21."
Was it this guy?
Quote: HowManyI was at El Cortez Saturday night (5/10)
The dude next to me hit hard 16 vs dealer 8. (obviously correct).
The dealer gave him a 10 for 26.
He picked up the 10, ripped it in half, put it down and announced "I have 21."
That is awesome
Best story so far.Quote: HowManyI was at El Cortez Saturday night (5/10)
The dude next to me hit hard 16 vs dealer 8. (obviously correct).
The dealer gave him a 10 for 26.
He picked up the 10, ripped it in half, put it down and announced "I have 21."
Quote: IbeatyouracesNot the worst play I've ever witnessed, but yesterday at Motorcity I watched an older gentleman make three mistakes in one single hand on the House Money 21 table. He was dealt 3,3 vs 2 up. He wins on the side bet 3:1 and stacks the winnings (mistake #1). He then proceeds to hit instead of split (mistake #2) and draws a 6 for a total of 12. At this point he stands on 12 vs 2 (mistake #3). The dealer makes 17 and he loses.
Oh cut him some slack. All three were fairly close to the border. That's barely a ploppyism.
Quote: SonuvabishIs there anything worse than doubling blackjack? I've seen that multiple times. It turns into 11, and you lose the 1/2 win.
doesn't it become a close play on a 6/5 table?
Quote: IbeatyouracesFirst of, don't tell me what to do. Second I made no comment to him about his play, nor do I for anyones' play. All I'm doing is relating what I saw. And if you think giving up 3+% is close, and probably a lot more factoring in all 3 mistakes, you need to learn a bit more.
Don't tell you what to do? Sorry, but I'm going to have to demand that you go back in time and literally cut him slack, and since you are not cooperating, I will be there to supervise. Didn't you tell me not to jump down someone's throat like yesterday? Wonder what my response should have been. When did I say it was close to play a side bet? I didn't realize the worst play ever was about playing a random side bet, I thought it was about the description that followed. You really think that all three plays you described, in isolation, are ones that are not near borderline, and not common errors, and that it was not bad luck that they occurred simultaneously? OK, fine.
Quote: IbeatyouracesAgain I'll say this loud and clear just for you...
NOT THE WORST PLAYS I'VE SEEN!!!!!
got it? Good.
Don't tell me what to do ;). I read that, didn't mean to start an argument over it geez-uz.
