What is the dealers average hand in blackjack.
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Quote: IbeatyouracesWhat is the dealers average final hand in blackjack for ALL the various number of decks and whether they hit or stand on soft 17. Ive heard from 18.23 up to 18.56.
If they stand there average hand is 17 because they are just staying with 17. if they hit there average hand is 18.5 because 18 or lower is normally a losing hand in blackjack on average and 19 or higher is usually a winning hand in blackjack. The dealer on any given hand will get a
Quote: IbeatyouracesWhat is the dealers average final hand in blackjack for ALL the various number of decks and whether they hit or stand on soft 17. Ive heard from 18.23 up to 18.56.
You know enough to know everything that's needed to be known for nearly anyone.
Quote: IbeatyouracesWhat is the dealers average final hand in blackjack for ALL the various number of decks and whether they hit or stand on soft 17. Ive heard from 18.23 up to 18.56.
Are you taking the average of all non-busted dealer hands? Because I don't know how you'd "average" in all of the 22+ hands.
Quote: cclub79Are you taking the average of all non-busted dealer hands? Because I don't know how you'd "average" in all of the 22+ hands.
What a great question! I started up to type out the quick, obvious answer, but then I realized............ I didn't know what it is.
Quote: IbeatyouracesYes, non busted hands. This is an important factor and I forgot to mention that part.
Then that doesn't tell me crap. If all the players don't bust, and the dealer doesn't bust, then his ending hand will average 18.?
That tells me nothing of any use.
Quote: dmThen that doesn't tell me crap. If all the players don't bust, and the dealer doesn't bust, then his ending hand will average 18.?
That tells me nothing of any use.
I'd compare it to people saying "The Patriots win their games by an average of 9 points..." Does that include the games they lost? Does it take points away in those cases? Probably the only way to have quasi-meaningful data would be to say, the dealer breaks X%, and in the (100 - X)% that the dealer doesn't break, the average final hand is Y.
(17+18+19+20+21)/5 = 19
Something tells me, you meant to ask about the expected value, not the average.
To compute the expectation, you need to weigh the numbers by values from Wizard's Appendix 2.
For example, for 6 deck S17:
(0.152487 * 17 + 0.146201*18 + 0.14035*19 + 0.188478*20 + 0.076507*21)/0.704023 = 18.844205
Quote: weaselmanThe average value is
(17+18+19+20+21)/5 = 19
Something tells me, you meant to ask about the expected value, not the average.
To compute the average, you need to weigh the numbers by values from Wizard's Appendix 2.
For example, for 6 deck S17:
(0.152487 * 17 + 0.146201*18 + 0.14035*19 + 0.188478*20 + 0.076507*21)/0.704023 = 18.844205
SOMETHING tells me you didn't read "dealers average final hand."
Quote: cclub79I'd compare it to people saying "The Patriots win their games by an average of 9 points..." Does that include the games they lost? Does it take points away in those cases? Probably the only way to have quasi-meaningful data would be to say, the dealer breaks X%, and in the (100 - X)% that the dealer doesn't break, the average final hand is Y.
Except when the dealer's hand is the only one left in play, are you counting that as not breaking?
Quote: cardcounterIf they stand there average hand is 17 because they are just staying with 17. if they hit there average hand is 18.5 because 18 or lower is normally a losing hand in blackjack on average and 19 or higher is usually a winning hand in blackjack. The dealer on any given hand will get a
TOTALLY WRONG. The figures are known to be in the mid 18's, and if h17, or mh17 as they like to say, it is slightly higher.
Quote: dm
SOMETHING tells me you didn't read "dealers average final hand."
Not sure what you mean. I did read it. What is it that tells you I did not?
Quote: weaselmanNot sure what you mean. I did read it. What is it that tells you I did not?
You thought he needed help averaging five numbers? Are you saying the dealer's ending hands will be perfectly distributed with 17,18,19,20,21? If the dealer hasn't played a number of hands that is a multiple of 5, then that's impossible.
Quote: dmYou thought he needed help averaging five numbers?
No, I just pointed out that he asked a wrong question.
Quote:Are you saying the dealer's ending hands will be perfectly distributed with 17,18,19,20,21?
Not sure what what "perfectly distributed" means in this context.
Perhaps, you meant to ask if I thought it would be uniformly or evenly distributed? In that case, the answer is no, I don't think that, which, I thought, was made clear enough by my referencing Wizard's page with the actual probabilities of each hand.
Quote: dmWhat did you think perfectly might mean other than evenly?
Well, I did not give it too much thought, because it did not make sense, and I thought I guessed what you really meant from the context. What is usually meant by "perfect" when discussing empirical observations is exactly conforming to the underlying theory.
Quote: IbeatyouracesWhat is the dealers average final hand in blackjack for ALL the various number of decks and whether they hit or stand on soft 17. Ive heard from 18.23 up to 18.56.
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