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October 7th, 2019 at 6:38:24 AM permalink
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Yes I absolutely believe everything I have said.

I believe that you believe it I also believe that most of what you believe is wrong.
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... if you stray from basic strategy you get punished.

If they stray from basic strategy, they get punished. Makes no difference to what happens to you and your bankroll, on average. Some rounds their stategy ruins your outcome and sometimes they improve your outcome... In generally even measure.
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... If you misstep, the one card usually causes the dealer to receive a different card if they are hitting and it is normally beneficial to them.

You have an tough audience for that assertion.
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However they do it, they are doing it. I have tried to explain what I have and still see to this day about what Iím seeing but you would have to see my play in action to know what I am talking about.

Again, you are respectfully challenged to give evidence for that assertion.
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October 7th, 2019 at 7:50:01 AM permalink
If i could show you a product sheet from shuffle master that descriptively differentiates the MD3 from the deck mate, whereas in this paper it states that the deck mates "provide a completely fair shuffle" and the MD3 description states that it creates a "neutral deck as to stop card counters" would you at least believe me a little bit more?

and im at work right now so access to this document will be delayed
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October 7th, 2019 at 8:02:20 AM permalink
So do people get mad when someone doesn't follow basic strategy and it causes the dealer to lose?
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October 7th, 2019 at 9:04:58 AM permalink
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So do people get mad when someone doesn't follow basic strategy and it causes the dealer to lose?

LOL. I never thought of that. The pre-ordained flow of the cards was disturbed and caused the dealer to lose.
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October 7th, 2019 at 9:10:47 AM permalink
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So do people get mad when someone doesn't follow basic strategy and it causes the dealer to lose?



if you continue to do this, you know the law of large numbers will come back to haunt you. Once again I always play basic strategy when playing with other people. As a matter of fact, thats the entire reason the table i was playing at decided to start following basic strategy. They each had one hand or so where they thought that doing something different would cause a win, and it worked. But it ended when they tried it other times it made them lose. when people start losing and they see that the card they had waiting for them would have benefitted them, you better believe its very easy to convince someone to play a specific way. they immediately straiten their backs so to say because they dont want to lose again. So they start listening only after they see that their strategy loses and when i am winning because Im taking the way of the book it is a no brainer that people start to follow.
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October 7th, 2019 at 9:40:39 AM permalink
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if you continue to do this, you know the law of large numbers will come back to haunt you. Once again I always play basic strategy when playing with other people. As a matter of fact, thats the entire reason the table i was playing at decided to start following basic strategy. They each had one hand or so where they thought that doing something different would cause a win, and it worked. But it ended when they tried it other times it made them lose. when people start losing and they see that the card they had waiting for them would have benefitted them, you better believe its very easy to convince someone to play a specific way. they immediately straiten their backs so to say because they dont want to lose again. So they start listening only after they see that their strategy loses and when i am winning because Im taking the way of the book it is a no brainer that people start to follow.



How does the preset flow of the cards account for when a relief dealer comes in and burns a card ?

Do they hold him back in the break room until a precise moment when they know based on the number of steps he needs to get to the table , that heíll arrive just in time to burn the card thatís necessary to keep the basic strategy rigged shoe going ?
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October 7th, 2019 at 9:54:22 AM permalink
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Do they hold him back in the break room until a precise moment when they know based on the number of steps he needs to get to the table , that heíll arrive just in time to burn the card thatís necessary to keep the basic strategy rigged shoe going ?

You got it!

I truly wonder I our dear friend heatmap could enjoy the game more if he didn't have to worry about the shoe so much, just as the pit boss would have more fun if he didn't have to count a relief dealer's paces.
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October 7th, 2019 at 9:59:25 AM permalink
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How does the preset flow of the cards account for when a relief dealer comes in and burns a card ?

Do they hold him back in the break room until a precise moment when they know based on the number of steps he needs to get to the table , that heíll arrive just in time to burn the card thatís necessary to keep the basic strategy rigged shoe going ?



Yes, since the cards are made in China and pre-stacked, the dealers have plenty of time to memorize them so they know when to get to the table.
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October 7th, 2019 at 10:08:30 AM permalink
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pre-stacked



pre shuffled database of a large enough, but still limited set of shuffles that amounts to a single payback percentage over all time.

i believe its something like VLT. the shuffles are considered random, and are picked randomly. the shuffler has different modes, random, non-random, and pre-arranged and most likely more modes than i know about.
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October 7th, 2019 at 10:11:04 AM permalink
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How does the preset flow of the cards account for when a relief dealer comes in and burns a card ?

Do they hold him back in the break room until a precise moment when they know based on the number of steps he needs to get to the table , that heíll arrive just in time to burn the card thatís necessary to keep the basic strategy rigged shoe going ?



this is a bit more complicated and i believe my explanation is lacking as to why this happens because I do not understand math games as much as i like to think i do

but since were here ill say what i think i am seeing.

once again this has to do with something called defection in my opinion. this is a game theory term. and a burn card causes randomness by causing a defection within the events that are supposed to happen. the sequences that are ahead, are no longer the same sequence that was going to be followed. This is a make or break situation and from what im seeing its a binary function which either takes you on or off the track of the next sequence.

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