jeff057
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December 7th, 2018 at 8:58:43 AM permalink
I recently attended a fundraiser where prizes were handed out based on chips accumulated in 1.5 hrs. I saw a coworker cheating at this event and called him on it at the time, but nothing was done. Simple cheat of adding to his bet when he would win. He walked away with the first place prize of $500 and it isn't sitting right with me at all.

Anyway, he started with 500 chips and went to 6,000 in 1 hour - call it 120 hands tops? Could someone please help me back into the odds of this? 6 deck shoe, 3 splits, double down, dealer peeks, not sure what else you gurus need, but it's your typical charity blackjack game rules.

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December 7th, 2018 at 9:11:22 AM permalink
I'm not a blackjack guru, but you also need to mention his betting pattern. Was there a max bet? What I'm getting at is that you can go from 500 to 6000 by parlaying four times with relative ease (.42^4 iirc?), but if there was a max bet of 100, then 55 units in a hundred hands is kind of suspect.

Past posting is one of the most basic forms of casino cheating. How someone could get away with it, even in a charity situation...
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December 7th, 2018 at 9:12:31 AM permalink
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Anyway, he started with 500 chips and went to 6,000 in 1 hour - call it 120 hands tops? Could someone please help me back into the odds of this? 6 deck shoe, 3 splits, double down, dealer peeks, not sure what else you gurus need, but it's your typical charity blackjack game rules.

Thanks!



That's pretty despicable behavior if true.
Anyhow, assuming his starting bankroll of 500 wasn't replenishable, then his probability of reaching 6000 was just short of 500/6000 or 8.33%
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December 7th, 2018 at 9:15:59 AM permalink
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I recently attended a fundraiser where prizes were handed out based on chips accumulated in 1.5 hrs. I saw a coworker cheating at this event and called him on it at the time, but nothing was done. Simple cheat of adding to his bet when he would win. He walked away with the first place prize of $500 and it isn't sitting right with me at all.

Anyway, he started with 500 chips and went to 6,000 in 1 hour - call it 120 hands tops? Could someone please help me back into the odds of this? 6 deck shoe, 3 splits, double down, dealer peeks, not sure what else you gurus need, but it's your typical charity blackjack game rules.

Thanks!



If you reported him at the time, and nothing was done about it, there is nothing productive to be done regarding the event now. However, in the future, if a similar event is held, boycott it, and encourage your other co-workers to do likewise.

I would also examine my financial dealings with the cheater, and consider separating myself and the company's assets from those under his control as much as possible. If someone is willing to cheat co-workers at a charity event, there are probably other shenanigans going on.
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December 7th, 2018 at 9:35:41 AM permalink
No max bet so I guess it is not completely astronomical odds. Thanks for your help.
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December 7th, 2018 at 10:23:44 AM permalink
Just to be clear- his cheating let him win a prize that would have been awarded anyway. The charity wasn't cheated, was it?
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December 7th, 2018 at 11:17:31 AM permalink
Iím not a lawyer, but Iím thinking intentionally cheating would probably be against the law, even if the charity didnít lose money.

I would think intentionally cheating in a home poker game is against the law too, right?
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December 7th, 2018 at 12:04:36 PM permalink
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Iím not a lawyer, but Iím thinking intentionally cheating would probably be against the law, even if the charity didnít lose money.

I would think intentionally cheating in a home poker game is against the law too, right?

If he cheated, then he stole. The ultimate victim isn't relevant. There was one, maybe a benevolent winner who'd have just donated back to the charity. I've no doubt such cheating, if it occurred, was against criminal law in just about every jurisdiction.
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December 7th, 2018 at 12:26:48 PM permalink
Confirmed - charity not stolen from, just attendees of event where person with most chips at end of time period wins. Charity still gets their share from all attendees.
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December 7th, 2018 at 12:42:52 PM permalink
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Iím not a lawyer, but Iím thinking intentionally cheating would probably be against the law, even if the charity didnít lose money.

I would think intentionally cheating in a home poker game is against the law too, right?



I can only imagine the reaction of the cop who responds to such a 911 call. If cheating at a home poker game is illegal, is cheating at Monopoly? Risk? Pac Man?
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