'Player hits hard 17'
never heard it before so I stopped to see whats going on.
player has a Hard 17.
dealer deals him a 2.
my jaw dropped.
how did he do this?
(don't remember Dealer's up card.)
Player was a lucky ploppy or he saw the hole card or he wore an x-ray eye-patch ( and somewhat gave away that likelihood in his play ).Quote: 100xOddswas walking past a bj table when the dealer shouted this to the pit boss.
never heard it before so I stopped to see whats going on.
player has a Hard 17.
dealer deals him a 2.
my jaw dropped.
how did he do this?
(don't remember Dealer's up card.)
It was funny. There’s probably much worse plays that are made all the time, but everyone had acted like I was a madman.
Quote: 100xOddswas walking past a bj table when the dealer shouted this to the pit boss.
never heard it before so I stopped to see whats going on.
player has a Hard 17.
dealer deals him a 2.
my jaw dropped.
how did he do this?
(don't remember Dealer's up card.)
a dealer once told me a story of a table that was so drunk they continually did that and kept winning he said they were doubling down too
In an 8 deck shoe, hitting the hard 17 v T costs you almost the same EV as standing on a 12 v T.
Hitting the hard 17 v T costs more than 33 times the EV of standing on a hard 16 v T. Standing on 33 sixteens probably reaps way more consternation value than one hit of hard 17.
Though pulling a James Caan and doubling a hard 18 has to be the gold standard move here.
wait..what? surrender if you're dealt '7 + facecard' vs a dealer 10 or A??Quote: unJonFun fact, you would save about 8% in EV by surrendering a hard 17 vs a dealer T vs hitting,
and probably reap about the same amount of consternation value at the table. Though maybe not because “the shoe would still be right.”
why isn't this on the strategy cards??
Quote: 100xOddswait..what? surrender if you're dealt '7 + facecard' vs a dealer 10 or A??
why isn't this on the strategy cards??
Because standing > surrendering > hitting
Quote: 100xOddswait..what? surrender if you're dealt '7 + facecard' vs a dealer 10 or A??
why isn't this on the strategy cards??
What they are saying is that if your only option was surrender or hit, youd save 8%EV surrendering. Standing is still the best play.
Quote: billryanIn the event that six cards is an automatic win, I think hitting a five card 17 vs 10 is proper.
Yes. It’s correct to hit with 17 against 8-A. I think I told you that before. :-)
Quote: billryanIn the event that six cards is an automatic win, I think hitting a five card 17 vs 10 is proper.
When I have played on Game Kings with 6-card Charlie it is correct to hit a five-card hard 17 against 9, T, and Ace.
I know it is not the subject of this thread but whenever I hit hard 17 in Spanish 21, the dealer always calls out to the Floor. And that comes up rather frequently.
Quote: unJonFun fact, you would save about 8% in EV by surrendering a hard 17 vs a dealer T vs hitting,....
I scan. If I’m dealt a hard 17 against a dealer 10, and there is a scarcity of tens on the table, I will surrender my 17. Worked out well for most of the times I’ve done it.
Quote: TankoI scan. If I’m dealt a hard 17 against a dealer 10, and there is a scarcity of tens on the table, I will surrender my 17. Worked out well for most of the times I’ve done it.
I don't see how that can be correct.
Quote: bobbartopI don't see how that can be correct.
It works, except when it doesn't. 17 vs 10 is pretty weak hand.
Quote: bobbartopI don't see how that can be correct.
A seventeen can’t win unless the dealer busts.
With a 10 upcard, the odds of the dealer busting are only 21.4%. I’m already at a major disadvantage.
If I see too few tens on the table, I assume the dealer has one, which would give him a 77% advantage.
Quote: TankoA seventeen can’t win unless the dealer busts.
With a 10 upcard, the odds of the dealer busting are only 21.4%. I’m already at a major disadvantage.
If I see too few tens on the table, I assume the dealer has one, which would give him a 77% advantage.
I am editing my former response. I'm still confused, but accept that I might have been wrong. First time in my life.
Quote: 100xOddswait..what? surrender if you're dealt '7 + facecard' vs a dealer 10 or A?? why isn't this on the strategy cards??
Actually, it is. You surrender 10-7 vs an Ace in a H17 game, I sometimes just stand, probably because it draws too much attention to surrender a pat hand. Sitting third base as is my preference, it's even more noticeable when the dealer busts or if you push your (surrendered) 17 against his.
As far as any difference in an 8-deck game versus, let's say, 6-deck, as is mentioned in an earlier post...
Maybe the math analysis can see a difference, but I can't understand, just thinking about it, that an 8-deck, or a 10-deck or 20-deck game is ANY different than 6-deck. Same distribution of cards - 10s, 3s, 4s, etc. Sure, a very high count (or a very low one) can have an effect, but how can 416 evenly distributed cards be any different from 312 cards, unless you're counting?
I understand how basic strategy is different for S17 v H17, but six-deck vs eight deck? I play it the same way, if I play eight-deck, which I won't, usually.
Quote: unJonIs there a +TC where surrendering 17 v T is correct?
+5 if it is early surrender.
17 v A is a basic strategy surrender in a H17 game/
Quote: BlackjackGuy123+5 if it is early surrender.
17 vs Ace is a basic strategy surrender if it is early surrender.
Quote: Hunterhill17 vs Ace is a basic strategy surrender if it is early surrender.
Yes, I know
