ZenKinG
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March 26th, 2018 at 9:56:35 AM permalink
Long story short, im playing heads up going from $10 and then to 2x100 at the time, didnt get to max bet yet. Im winning every single round and made around 800 with about 2 decks in as the count shot up early. New dealer comes to the game and the dealer doesnt burn a card. Keep that in mind because thats the key. The dealer deals the round and the pit boss then whispers in her ear something i couldnt hear, but i knew what was going on. Turns out because the dealer didnt 'burn a card', this now meant they had to shuffle up and start a new shoe. This was obviously done on purpose as she saw me spread to 2 hands of 100 and winning every round when i started off at 1x10.

I called gaming and they said they dont know what the casinos particular policy is and what they could do. I of course destroyed the gaming agent and told them it was completely illegal for the casino to manipulate the odds of a particular game to their advantage at will when its unfavorable to them.

EVEN if their policy is to shuffle up the current shoe if the new dealer doesnt burn a card(complete obvious bullshit), i have seen numerous times at stratosphere where the new dealer doesnt burn a card and the pit boss NEVER says to shuffle up on the players at the table so they are contradicting and being inconsistent with their very own policy. This is is a massive violation of regulations and i hope Gaming fines the shit out of them.

There was an agent sent out there last night to investigate what happened and to watch the tape, but im not holding my breath because Gaming is as useless and corrupt as they come in this city. I told Gaming that all they have to do is watch the last week of blackjack being dealt there and they can see for themselves they never shuffle up on anyone if a card is not burned, but tonight they did it to me. Gaming asked if i was an AP or card counter, but i didnt want to tell them anything about myself. Whether it couldve helped idk, but it is what it is. All i know is this is not only illrgal and immoral about what they did, but even if it is their own policy to shuffle up the current shoe if a card is not burned, they NEVER do that, only TONIGHT did they do it to me. This is a complete contradiction of their own policy and are manipulating the odds and discriminating vs me.

Lastly I dont care one bit about outing myself with this post. This is a shout out to the biggest immoral piece of garbage pit boss that works at Stratosphere. I hope you realize you will be fired soon after you did what you did to me last night. You will never get rid of me either. I dare you guyd to arrest me or trespass me now after Gaming has investigated your corrupt casino. That should go well in court you worthless scumbags. Its clear as day what you did to me and you will pay.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
MidwestAP
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March 26th, 2018 at 10:00:00 AM permalink
Time to make some popcorn!
billryan
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March 26th, 2018 at 10:02:28 AM permalink
Time for a mental health check.
SOOPOO
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March 26th, 2018 at 10:09:25 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG



I called gaming and they said they dont know what the casinos particular policy is and what they could do. I of course destroyed the gaming agent and told them it was completely illegal for the casino to manipulate the odds of a particular game to their advantage at will when its unfavorable to them.



Forget the rest of his post, but would you interpret a dealer ending a shoe WITH THE PURPOSE OF THWARTING a card counter to be "manipulating the odds" in what Nevada law would deem illegal? I consider this an interesting question.
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March 26th, 2018 at 10:13:32 AM permalink
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Forget the rest of his post, but would you interpret a dealer ending a shoe WITH THE PURPOSE OF THWARTING a card counter to be "manipulating the odds" in what Nevada law would deem illegal? I consider this an interesting question.



It is called preferential shuffling and it is illegal in Nevada. They do it at Green Valley a lot on their single deck games. I called them out on it in their FreeBet Blackjack couple years ago for fun. WooBoy....that was fun 😁😁

Edit; I have heard that it is illegal although there is ambiguity in the rules.
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ZenKinG
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March 26th, 2018 at 10:14:54 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Forget the rest of his post, but would you interpret a dealer ending a shoe WITH THE PURPOSE OF THWARTING a card counter to be "manipulating the odds" in what Nevada law would deem illegal? I consider this an interesting question.



Its completely illegal. Gaming tried telling me theres nothing in the law that says that it is illegal and that it comes down to the casino's policy. That gaming agent is just another corrupt drone in this city that backs up the casinos at will. The problem is both gaming and stratsophere are fu**ed. Because even if it is legal(which it's not) and its up to the casinos own policy about how they handle procedures, they have now contradicted their own policy tonight because they NEVER do this to anyone else. I have played there for the past 2 weeks and the new dealers NEVER burn a card and the pit boss never instructs them to shuffle up the shoe and start a new one just because of that.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
MidwestAP
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March 26th, 2018 at 10:15:24 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Forget the rest of his post, but would you interpret a dealer ending a shoe WITH THE PURPOSE OF THWARTING a card counter to be "manipulating the odds" in what Nevada law would deem illegal? I consider this an interesting question.



I don't know the answer to that, but regardless, how do you demonstrate that there was 'intent' or 'purpose'? Especially when a procedure is being used as the reason/excuse to shuffle?
Ibeatyouraces
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March 26th, 2018 at 10:18:57 AM permalink
Just put CSM's in everywhere and get rid of the card counters.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
SOOPOO
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March 26th, 2018 at 10:19:34 AM permalink
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It is called preferential shuffling and it is illegal in Nevada.



But isn't it done routinely? If ZK thinks it was done, what real life, if any, recourse does he have?

Hypothetically, if the casino knew the count, could it say "Only table minimum bets allowed now" when the count is favorable to the players? It is technically not changing the odds on those bets, just decreasing the -EV it would be exposed to?

I'm very interested in this topic!
ZenKinG
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March 26th, 2018 at 10:19:48 AM permalink
Quote: MidwestAP

I don't know the answer to that, but regardless, how do you demonstrate that there was 'intent' or 'purpose'? Especially when a procedure is being used as the reason/excuse to shuffle?



There is NO PROCEDURE. Stratosphere never burns a card when they change dealers. Thats why this new dealer never burned a card either. The pit boss tonight completely made up that excuse to shuffle up on me in a good count while i was cleaning them out at a measley 2x100.

All Gaming has to do is watch hours of blackjack tape to confirm this. Gaming told me i will not know what comes of this because it is confidential between gaming and the casino, but that if there is a regulation violation, they will be fined heavily, lose their license, etc. Of course, i bet nothing will happen, especially them losing their license for somethinf like this because Gaming is as useless and corrupt as they come in this town. Too much tax revenue lost to shut down a casino. I hope at the very least they get fined heavily.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.

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