Nimadamus
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August 20th, 2017 at 12:49:45 AM permalink
I live near a casino which offers several different blackjack games and variations.

Singledeck - Pays 6 to 5 of course
Zappit - Player can get a new hand if has a hand of 15,16,17,18, but if dealer gets 22 all bets push
Blackjack Switch - Switch cards between 2 hands and once again if dealer gets 22 all bets push
Standard shoe game - I believe this is 8 decks and blackjacks pay 3-2

Im interested in taking things seriously from this point forwards. I have logged a lot of blackjack hours in my life but it has always been unsystematic and non disciplined. I would now like to take a serious and mathematical approach and my goal is to walk away with $150 in profit per session.

It seems that according to the Wizard the best odds are blackjack switch? But the singledeck odds of -1.45 House edge do not take into account card counting.

Isnt my best bet here to play singledeck and count?
charliepatrick
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August 20th, 2017 at 12:54:02 AM permalink
Switch is fairly difficult to play as to achieve the House Edge it requires the correct switching strategy as well as how to play a "Push 22" game.
Ibeatyouraces
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August 20th, 2017 at 6:11:11 AM permalink
From the games you listed, the 8 deck deck by far.

And drop the notion of having a "win goal."
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ZenKinG
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August 20th, 2017 at 6:29:21 AM permalink
To the OP, just stay away from Vegas. The whole city is run by the mob and they have the gaming commission in their pocket. No one checks the cards, no one does shit.

Even had a pit boss lie straight to my face today saying that Aria comes preshuffled as well when thats clearly wrong because Aria shows the cards. These pit bosses and everyone that works in management are nothing but pure scum and mindless drones following orders without ever questioning anything. These pit bosses will lie straight to your face whether it was intentional or not, how can he spit out misinformation to customers without knowing the full truth? He even had the audacity to then tell me that he has 42 years of experience and that im wrong LOL. 42 years and he doesnt even know shit. Why am i not surprised. You camt evem trust the pit bosses now. You can onlh trust them as far as you can throw them and comsidering how obese every single one of these scum are, its not very far.

Fact of the matter is he was completely wrong because aria indeed shows you the cards and they come in order since ive seen it with my own eyes. Aria at least has some integrity and transparency unlike these other mob ridden preshuffled casinos on the strip with missing 10s and Aces. I honestly wish casinos still backroomed you. I would beat up all 5 of their security guards. They would have to put me in a coma and break every bone in my body to get rid of me. After i wake up and heal id be back the next day for more. I cant wait to get backed off, these guys will regret it, they never met anyone like me. I wont leave this town without a Supreme Court decision in my favor. Atlantic City learned the hard way in court, vegas is next.

If im not getting cheated, then im obviously just cursed. Theres 2 options here. Either vegas is rigged and im getting cheated or im as unlucky as it gets and i will NEVER hit my EV, EVER. The funny thing is i wouldnt have it any other way. It wouldnt be fair with someone with my talent to also have luck. I rather have my split aces with 21s on each of them and 20 on other hand get 4 card 21'd by the dealer for 130 hours straight. Oh did i mention i rather also have my two pat 20 hands against dealers 5s and 6s get continually wiped out in max bet territory to a 4 or 5 card 21 for 130 hours straight. Yea thats how it goes when youre as good as me. I honestly hope i lose my whole bankroll. Ill be the first ever player to play flawlessly and be 4 standard deviations out. Yes 4 standard deviations after thousands of hours. I will be the .0001% guy. Nothing new in my life. God bless me.
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HugoSlavia
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August 20th, 2017 at 6:47:04 AM permalink
Quote: Nimadamus

Isnt my best bet here to play singledeck and count?


I don't think singledeck would be playable. The house edge is huge, and your counting system is less useful because big bets are not fully rewarded when the remaining cards are rich in blackjack potential.

I don't know about the gimmick games, but for standard shoes, I would want low table minimums so I can spread my bets, and good penetration.
tyler498
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August 20th, 2017 at 7:53:07 AM permalink
Quote: Nimadamus

I live near a casino which offers several different blackjack games and variations.

Singledeck - Pays 6 to 5 of course
Zappit - Player can get a new hand if has a hand of 15,16,17,18, but if dealer gets 22 all bets push
Blackjack Switch - Switch cards between 2 hands and once again if dealer gets 22 all bets push
Standard shoe game - I believe this is 8 decks and blackjacks pay 3-2

Im interested in taking things seriously from this point forwards. I have logged a lot of blackjack hours in my life but it has always been unsystematic and non disciplined. I would now like to take a serious and mathematical approach and my goal is to walk away with $150 in profit per session.

It seems that according to the Wizard the best odds are blackjack switch? But the singledeck odds of -1.45 House edge do not take into account card counting.

Isnt my best bet here to play singledeck and count?



My 2 cents is the best is 8 Decks for sure. It is also less likely to attract attention than single deck usually. I don't think you can beat single deck 6/5, unless you do some serious Wonging and I don't know if even that would work, how the penetration is and if they allow mid shoe entry. Also you won't fly under the radar long wonging on SD.
tyler498
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August 20th, 2017 at 7:57:17 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

To the OP, just stay away from Vegas. The whole city is run by the mob and they have the gaming commission in their pocket. No one checks the cards, no one does shit.

Even had a pit boss lie straight to my face today saying that Aria comes preshuffled as well when thats clearly wrong because Aria shows the cards. These pit bosses and everyone that works in management are nothing but pure scum and mindless drones following orders without ever questioning anything. These pit bosses will lie straight to your face whether it was intentional or not, how can he spit out misinformation to customers without knowing the full truth? He even had the audacity to then tell me that he has 42 years of experience and that im wrong LOL. 42 years and he doesnt even know shit. Why am i not surprised. You camt evem trust the pit bosses now. You can onlh trust them as far as you can throw them and comsidering how obese every single one of these scum are, its not very far.

Fact of the matter is he was completely wrong because aria indeed shows you the cards and they come in order since ive seen it with my own eyes. Aria at least has some integrity and transparency unlike these other mob ridden preshuffled casinos on the strip with missing 10s and Aces. I honestly wish casinos still backroomed you. I would beat up all 5 of their security guards. They would have to put me in a coma and break every bone in my body to get rid of me. After i wake up and heal id be back the next day for more. I cant wait to get backed off, these guys will regret it, they never met anyone like me. I wont leave this town without a Supreme Court decision in my favor. Atlantic City learned the hard way in court, vegas is next.

If im not getting cheated, then im obviously just cursed. Theres 2 options here. Either vegas is rigged and im getting cheated or im as unlucky as it gets and i will NEVER hit my EV, EVER. The funny thing is i wouldnt have it any other way. It wouldnt be fair with someone with my talent to also have luck. I rather have my split aces with 21s on each of them and 20 on other hand get 4 card 21'd by the dealer for 130 hours straight. Oh did i mention i rather also have my two pat 20 hands against dealers 5s and 6s get continually wiped out in max bet territory to a 4 or 5 card 21 for 130 hours straight. Yea thats how it goes when youre as good as me. I honestly hope i lose my whole bankroll. Ill be the first ever player to play flawlessly and be 4 standard deviations out. Yes 4 standard deviations after thousands of hours. I will be the .0001% guy. Nothing new in my life. God bless me.



I am now curious, for the sake of argument, are there ways the casino can preshuffle cards in order to favor the house? Any method I can think of seems to be easily detectable... missing faces and aces can be statistically estimated I think. And how can the casino order the cards without knowing how many hands are gonna be played at any given time?
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August 20th, 2017 at 8:09:46 AM permalink
Thanks ZenKing,I always enjoy starting off my day with a good dose of humor.
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Nimadamus
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August 20th, 2017 at 8:39:54 AM permalink
Quote: HugoSlavia

I don't think singledeck would be playable. The house edge is huge, and your counting system is less useful because big bets are not fully rewarded when the remaining cards are rich in blackjack potential.

I don't know about the gimmick games, but for standard shoes, I would want low table minimums so I can spread my bets, and good penetration.



Not sure what you mean by the big bets are not fully rewarded when the remaining cards are rich in BJ potential.
Nimadamus
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August 20th, 2017 at 8:42:00 AM permalink
Looks like indeed the best way to go is the 8 deck shoe which is a bit of a surprise to me. That 3 to 2 on BJ's is huge I guess.

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