BJ Table Etiquette question
A little background, I like to play BJ. I play for fun. I will play for hours on end and prefer to play at a table where people are having fun, jokingly picking on each other, laughing, etc. not so much that it significantly slows the game down, just friendly banter at the table. The dealer can help alot with this, but I've played at some insanely funny tables where the dealer was basically a stump. I've also played at some tables that were very somber, and they were not as much fun.
I play an aggressive game, progressive, regressive, sometimes just crazy. Play at red chip tables, bet red, bet green, and black, and purple.
Few weeks ago during a game a lady is walking past our table and growled something like "asshole betting black at a $15 table". The lady playing on my left ( she'd been there an hour or two ) instantly spun around and responded something along the lines of "mind you're own business bitch". This lady to my left was nicely dressed, maybe 50ish. I was a little stunned, the other lady kept walking. I looked at lady to my left, she just kind of shrugged, and the game resumed. I went back to paying attention to the game and didn't think about the incident until later.
I'm usually playing at a semi-full table, most of the players are betting reds with some green chips thrown in there, that's the norm. They're buying in for maybe a couple hundred on average, moaning their losses and celebrating their victories, trying to have a good time. Have I diminished their experience by betting up to table max? Why did that lady call me an asshole? Is there some rule I've broken that I didn't know existed? I like for the people around me to be having a good time, it generally makes my experience more enjoyable. Any thoughts?
Thx for the thought, Gabes too, but there was at least one seat open at the table at the time, prolly two. I forgot to mention that I'm usually the big tipper at the table too, I tip green at least once an hour at a red chip table. Not trying to sound like a hot shot high roller or anything, pls do not misunderstand. I play at the red chip tables because my most frequent bet is the table minimum. And I play aggressively, and I jump up the ladder several rungs at a time, so to speak. I don't remember any hostility from any other players before, well not except a handful of weird comments on rare occasions when I took the dealers bust card or something ;-). But this made me wonder, she didn't just say it, she growled it, there was venom in her voice. Maybe she was just having a bad day.Quote: HunterhillThe only time I have heard people complain is if the tables are full and they are looking for a seat.Usually this is at a $5 or $10 minimum table.
Hi GJ. I miss you when you don't post. I hope you are at least reasonably well, ain't none of us getting any younger ,-)Quote: GreasyjohnI agree with the prior posts. The table has a min/max bet sign, and you're betting within those limits.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLHi GJ. I miss you when you don't post. I hope you are at least reasonably well, ain't none of us getting any younger ,-)
Thanks, 2F. Doing well thanks; I'm in remission; and it doesn't get better than that. Probably hit Vegas in May.
I await the TR, you go get 'em.Quote: GreasyjohnThanks, 2F. Doing well thanks; I'm in remission; and it doesn't get better than that. Probably hit Vegas in May.
The woman who randomly walked by calling you an a-hole is a moron, plain and simple.
When I play BJ, I usually play at $10 tables betting near minimum. I love a fun table filled with a good atmosphere! If someone starts betting blacks and purples, all the better. Makes it more entertaining...
One time at a local casino, a guy told me he wanted me to lose all my money because I refused to play the Pairs Plus sucker bet and I kept getting pairs. While he was losing $5-10 on that bet every hand. Oh well. I left that table even while he was down a couple hundred. I made sure to point that out to him as I was leaving.
For most people, playing BJ is entertainment. Play where you want (and how you want). It's your money.
l'm laughing uncontrollably, or was a minute ago. Was on my deck and I read a post, from an Avatar of Trump that said "The woman is a moron" (more or less), I started laughing, I couldn't breathe. Neighbor next door noticed and shouted "are you alright?" I managed to get out an "I'm not sure, but don't dial 911". I have not always been nice to AMS (my bad, I admit, and I apologize), and I'm not criticizing or anything negative now. But somehow, for a combination of reasons, that was one of the funniest things I've read in a long time. I may have pee'd myself.....Quote: ams288People are stupid and have weird assumptions in their heads about proper blackjack etiquette.
The woman who randomly walked by calling you an a-hole is a moron, plain and simple.
When I play BJ, I usually play at $10 tables betting near minimum. I love a fun table filled with a good atmosphere! If someone starts betting blacks and purples, all the better. Makes it more entertaining...
One time at a local casino, a guy told me he wanted me to lose all my money because I refused to play the Pairs Plus sucker bet and I kept getting pairs. While he was losing $5-10 on that bet every hand. Oh well. I left that table even while he was down a couple hundred. I made sure to point that out to him as I was leaving.
At my local casino, I play Mississippi a lot at the red level. There is a woman there who bets blacks. At Mississippi.
I always look to play at the same table as her because she is fun. She has no strategy to speak of, she folds hands she should keep and plays hands she should fold, but so what. If someone hits a hand, she high fives them; if she hits a hand, we all high five her. A couple months ago she hit 4OAK. BOOM. I forget how much that is, it doesn't matter, but high fives all around!
A good player is a good player. Thank goodness the jerks just mutter and keep walking.
I would not give that grumpy woman another thought. I've played $5 PaiGowPoker next to a guy playing $5000 a hand. That's just how it is sometimes. I do think there's something to the main floor being more fun than the high-roller tables in a lot of places. But the best comment IMO was, "your money; play where you like". Still true.
You may have missed your calling.Quote: TwoFeathersATL
A little background, I like to play BJ. I play for fun. I will play for hours on end and prefer to play at a table where people are having fun, jokingly picking on each other, laughing, etc. not so much that it significantly slows the game down, just friendly banter at the table. The dealer can help alot with this, but I've played at some insanely funny tables where the dealer was basically a stump. I've also played at some tables that were very somber, and they were not as much fun.
I play an aggressive game, progressive, regressive, sometimes just crazy. ?
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People get pissed off when they are losing and want to take it out on everyone and blame anyone doing anything remotely abnormal.
Quote: HunterhillMosca where do you play that they let you bet black on Mississippi? Most places I see 25 is the Max.
Mohegan Sun Pocono Downs.
One of the reasons I like playing at her table is they are constantly stopping the game to call "Purple out!", or to change money from her purse. Since it is a negative expectation game, the slower it moves the better.
I remember one time I was at a table with two others. One was playing three hands, the other and I were playing two hands each, so we filled the table. A drunk, possibly high lady approached the table, and loudly called to the dealer and pit boss DEMANDING that they force one of us to drop a hand so she could play. She was promptly told to shove off.
Quote: DeucekiesI'm guessing alcohol might have had something to do with her demeanor.
I remember one time I was at a table with two others. One was playing three hands, the other and I were playing two hands each, so we filled the table. A drunk, possibly high lady approached the table, and loudly called to the dealer and pit boss DEMANDING that they force one of us to drop a hand so she could play. She was promptly told to shove off.
Strange that they would deny an easy mark the opportunity to lose all her money!
I experienced the opposite treatment, in which the table was full and I had been playing two hands for the last 3 hours at first base. A couple of young, semi-inebriated college looking individuals began hovering behind us. As they argued, rather loudly , about who should ask the Pit Boss about playing at the table.
Finally, one stepped up and asked if there are any open spots(which there clearly weren't) and the Pit Boss immediately looked at me and forced me to give up one of my spots. I retorted "There are plenty of empty tables and I've been playing two spots for 3 hours, why do I have to give up a spot?"
To which I was told "They have the right to play and we have the right to accommodate their request, so please choose which spot you want to play on and let them play the other."
I stood up and said, "How about this, you can have both spots and I will go over and play at XXXXX" to which I cashed out my winnings and went across to the next casino. That casino has since shut down and it's no wonder why with their treatment of higher level players!
Quote: BedWetterBetterStrange that they would deny an easy mark the opportunity to lose all her money!
They already had three. :)
Quote:I stood up and said, "How about this, you can have both spots and I will go over and play at XXXXX" to which I cashed out my winnings and went across to the next casino. That casino has since shut down and it's no wonder why with their treatment of higher level players!
That's pathetic. I've heard of casinos that don't know what they're doing, but that's a new low.
Quote: TwoFeathersATL....
Few weeks ago during a game a lady is walking past our table and growled something like "asshole betting black at a $15 table".
The woman was resentful because was a broke a## person who doesn't get to see or play with black or purple chips in her broke a## life, and is pissed that you can, that's all. You weren't playing at a $15 table, you were playing at a $15 to $500 table or a $15 to $1,000 table, so you were okay. That's different.
She went home to watch Bernie Sanders speak on CNN about income inequality, feelin' da Bern.
However, I do see potential strategy problems. Because the higher tables generally have better rules, so if you are going to bet blacks you may as well sit at a 100 dollar table or at least 25.
There is no point playing well above the minimum at a 5 dollar table, when are betting enough to get far better rules at the next table over. The only exception would be if you wanted to stick with a friend who was not comfortable at the higher tables, and you were purely playing socially.
Because if you are playing a 5-500 table with 8decks, and your average bet is 50, you may as well play at the 25-1000 table where there are 6decks and the dealer stands on soft 17. Or if you consistently bet over 50, you are even better off finding a 50 dollar table with even better rules.
Generally the lower the table the worse the rules. So if you are well above the minimum you may as well move to the appropriate table and lose slower.
Quote: DeucekiesQuote: BedWetterBetterStrange that they would deny an easy mark the opportunity to lose all her money!
They already had three. :)Quote:I stood up and said, "How about this, you can have both spots and I will go over and play at XXXXX" to which I cashed out my winnings and went across to the next casino. That casino has since shut down and it's no wonder why with their treatment of higher level players!
That's pathetic. I've heard of casinos that don't know what they're doing, but that's a new low.
I've had the opposite treatment, where I tried to get in on a table with only 3 or 4 players but they were all playing multiple spots, inconsistently. I tried to play one spot and the guy got in a huff and said it was his spot, even though he wasn't placing a bet on it every round.
I didn't argue and just GTFO because the conflict was making me uncomfortable.
My play is great cover for counters at my table, well if you can stand a mostly full red chip table, hands per hour and all that. I am for hire cheap! I have watched a couple guys methodically make a few hundred and walk away apparently unnoticed, lots of wonging, didn't even leave the table, just sat there and waited for better conditions, repeatedly. Big balls I guess ;-)
Quote: PaigowdanThe woman was resentful because was a broke a## person who doesn't get to see or play with black or purple chips in her broke a## life, and is pissed that you can, that's all.
Yeah, all of us who don't bet black or above are broke losers. Christ. What the hell are you talking about? God forbid anyone bet relatively small at a negative expectation game.
Quote:She went home to watch Bernie Sanders speak on CNN about income inequality, feelin' da Bern.
I didn't vote for Bernie, but this is another jackass comment. There are tons of reasons someone might vote for him.
That woman sounds obnoxious, but I don't know if you realize how wrongheaded and condescending your post seems. I do understand her emotions, though I don't think anyone should be pressured out of their seat.
Quote: MrGoldenSunQuote: PaigowdanThe woman was resentful because was a broke a## person who doesn't get to see or play with black or purple chips in her broke a## life, and is pissed that you can, that's all.
Yeah, all of us who don't bet black or above are broke losers. Christ. What the hell are you talking about? God forbid anyone bet relatively small at a negative expectation game.
No. People can bet small - or big, for that matter. But people should, even must, not concern themselves or resent someone else's action size at a gambling table.
It's when people show open resentment to anyone who bets somewhat bigger than them that they show both their own poverty and their counterproductive resentment about it. Last thing we need to see at a casino table. No one's a loser for not betting black or purple at a gaming table - they're LOSERS for b*tching about someone else betting black or purple at the casino. That's different.
No shame being poor. I total understand her emotions also, which is to say it is bad enough resenting your own predicament, but the actions blaming and acting out to others minding their own business at a gambling table is to get less than zero sympathy, it is to get harshly criticized for that pointless behavior.
Quote: MrGoldenSunI didn't vote for Bernie, but this is another jackass comment. There are tons of reasons someone might vote for him.
Sure. And it is in resenting income inequality, which is to say resenting those who do better, - a false economic principal that avails no one a thing, - which is not appropriate at a gaming table or in public service. Fixing the system is not about pointing fingers at the better off in resentment. Bernie lost to Hilary because too many saw through this.
Quote: MrGoldenSunThat woman sounds obnoxious, but I don't know if you realize how wrongheaded and condescending your post seems. I do understand her emotions, though I don't think anyone should be pressured out of their seat.
I know exactly how condescending it sounds, - because I said it on purpose. I play what I can afford, and I resent no one else for betting what they see fit, whether betting more or less than me, couldn't care less about their action or business. This is because what I should do - and as well as everyone else at the tables - is to concern ourselves with our own action and pocketbooks. When someone resents or criticizes another's innocent player's action level - they are behaving inappropriately and jealously and should either mind their own business or be pressured out of their seat and away from the tables - if they're going to bring that to the tables.
Quote: PaigowdanIt's when people show open resentment to anyone who bets somewhat bigger than them that they show both their own poverty and their counterproductive resentment about it.
However, this is where I still think you've gone off the rails. You're talking about poverty and jealousy and income inequality and whatever, and I'm just thinking dude, maybe the woman wanted to sit down and couldn't. It makes total sense to me that if I wanted to play at a low-minimum table and the spots were taken by people betting bigger, who could in theory be playing somewhere else, I can see how I'd be annoyed in a way that has nothing to do with income inequality. I don't see how it's a referendum on attitudes toward wealth.
I think she is wrong to call him an asshole, and she might be jealous. It just struck me wrong. I am probably sensitive to this because this election has brought out such a creative and wide-ranging set of absurd economic generalizations (e.g., all liberals are poor lazy thieves, all conservatives are billionaire student-debt-loving villains) that I now just reflexively see anything with the word "income" and freak out. I am trying not to turn this into a politics thread so I will stop here though.
Side note, it sounds like you are assuming a closer correlation between bet size and wealth than I think is accurate.
Quote: MrGoldenSunWhen I read it, it sounded critical of everyone not betting big. It sounds like you only intended to criticize the woman though.
However, this is where I still think you've gone off the rails. You're talking about poverty and jealousy and income inequality and whatever, and I'm just thinking dude, maybe the woman wanted to sit down and couldn't. It makes total sense to me that if I wanted to play at a low-minimum table and the spots were taken by people betting bigger, who could in theory be playing somewhere else, I can see how I'd be annoyed in a way that has nothing to do with income inequality. I don't see how it's a referendum on attitudes toward wealth.
My point is that it is indeed bringing that kind of stuff right in - AND right at a gambling table. No place for it, to harass a player. She herself said what it was all about, and in the worst of ways.
A player who does this is 100% out of bounds. Calling this crap for what it is is not off the rails. Might be politically incorrect.
Quote: MrGoldenSunI think she is wrong to call him an asshole, and she might be jealous. It just struck me wrong. I am probably sensitive to this because this election has brought out such a creative and wide-ranging set of absurd economic generalizations (e.g., all liberals are poor lazy thieves, all conservatives are billionaire student-debt-loving villains) that I now just reflexively see anything with the word "income" and freak out. I am trying not to turn this into a politics thread so I will stop here though.
No problem, I sympathize and agree, which is why I'm 100% against getting political or personal on other peoples money at the table. And I was indeed blunt and harsh.
Look, I played recently at the Railroad Pass on a $2 to $50 table on a new field trial game 3 Card Low Ball. Two required bets, Ante and Bonus. I bought in and played like the middle class S.O.B. that I am, $25 each Ante and Bonus. Another guy played table max for the most part. Another guy (a kid) buys in for $60 and plays $2 a spot. No judgement, no caring, and no tracking of any one else's business or finances went down, we were all just playing the game. THIS is how it is supposed to happen. If people waiting to play had tried to apply value judgements based on bet sizes and then try to implement socialist reforms on "who sits where" or "who gets to play" based on bet size, then THAT would have been O-U-T out.
Now, the guy who bet $2 a hand had fun, couldn't care less about anything else other than play, expected no privileges, and minded his business, as did all the other players. If he of anyone else had made an issue or made demands based on action, then yeah, people would have been viewed as either "broke A## S.O.B.'s making out-of-bounds demands" or "privileged pompous asses making out-of-bounds demands" - (depending on what they were personally criticizing), and viewed as such without apology, because of their announced (and personal and ridiculous) positions and the trouble they are at the tables.
Quote: MrGoldenSunSide note, it sounds like you are assuming a closer correlation between bet size and wealth than I think is accurate.
No. Bet size is both no real indication of that and it is none of my business or interest. But that lady did this, and it was out of bounds to harass a player for it. Let her get the politically incorrect criticism she deserves.
Quote: PaigowdanCalling this crap for what it is is not off the rails. Might be politically incorrect.
You mentioned "political incorrectness" twice, so I want to be clear: I don't think it's politically incorrect, I think it's factually incorrect. Maybe we have different readings of what actually happened in this specific case. There's no way really to know and I guess it doesn't matter. I continue to think it is entirely possible to be frustrated at a lack of empty seat and think to yourself, "I wish that guy would switch tables" for pretty basic reasons without any larger implications. Seems we just disagree on this.
Somewhat related, I think I have seen casinos which will ban players from playing multiple spots if players are waiting, or am I mistaken?
Quote:If people waiting to play had tried to apply value judgements based on bet sizes and then try to implement socialist reforms on "who sits where" or "who gets to play" based on bet size, then THAT would have been O-U-T out.
#socialistreforms
I think this issue hits you deeper emotionally than it hits me.
Quote: MrGoldenSunYou mentioned "political incorrectness" twice, so I want to be clear: I don't think it's politically incorrect, I think it's factually incorrect.
The player was complaining about seating arrangements vis-à-vis other players' bet size and money. This isn't opinion, this was spoken fact by the complainer, and as such, factual as it relates to table game issue in question.
Quote: MrGoldenSunMaybe we have different readings of what actually happened in this specific case. There's no way really to know and I guess it doesn't matter.
Yes there is: she opened her mouth and made her demands and spoke her malarkey, creating a scene or an incident. It matters only in the sense that table game disruptions and of casino operations - and of course, to the other players.
Quote: MrGoldenSunI continue to think it is entirely possible to be frustrated at a lack of empty seat and think to yourself, "I wish that guy would switch tables" for pretty basic reasons without any larger implications. Seems we just disagree on this.
We may; if a seat is not available, then just go to another table or go onto a waiting list without issue. Yes, it's frustrating. But it isn't a right or a political cause, my point.
Quote: MrGoldenSunSomewhat related, I think I have seen casinos which will ban players from playing multiple spots if players are waiting, or am I mistaken?
Yes, and this is fair and sensible. I routinely play two hands on PGP, but drop down to one hand if needed or asked.
Quote: MrGoldenSun#socialistreforms
I think this issue hits you deeper emotionally than it hits me.
I disagree, as you too hooked into this. As for me, it isn't so much "emotional" as getting rid of crap at the gaming tables, which is important to me. Outside of the tables, this political stuff is just fodder for Jimmy Fallon, Stephen Colbert, and Jimmy Kimmel. You'd never see me at a rally or ever say, "Dude, it's like an issue" or some crap like that. I leave it for Mr. Jimmy on the tonight show.
Quote: PaigowdanThe player was complaining about seating arrangements vis-à-vis other players' bet size and money. This isn't opinion, this was spoken fact by the complainer, and as such, factual as it relates to table game issue in question.
I meant that your view of her internal motivation is an opinion/guess. You suggested the woman thinks she has a "right" and you keep using the word "politics," and I gave an alternative explanation beyond "jealousy over someone else's perceived wealth" which seems quite plausible to me.
Quote:It matters only in the sense that table game disruptions and of casino operations - and of course, to the other players.
I agree. Whatever her reason for doing so, she shouldn't be allowed to harass people without being told to move along and knock it off. I'm in favor of having players protected from verbal abuse.
I was stunned by the first comment, and re-stunned by the second.
I stared at my scotch for a few moments.....
I'm not sure if the dealer didn't hear the exchange, or just ignored it.
All happened rather quickly, and the lady did move along.....
Suppose I should have discussed with the dealer, hindsight is much clearer, but the game resumed quickly and we all 'moved along'. Only bothered me later, 'once the dealins done' is the term I believe...
Suspect alcohol was involved all around, but they don't give it away there, against the law ;-(
Quote: TwoFeathersATLYou might remember from the original post that the lady next to me sort-of bluntly did tell her to 'knock it off'.
I was stunned by the first comment, and re-stunned by the second.
I do remember that! I was pretty impressed with the second lady. I suspect I'd have had the same reaction you did. I had something similar happen to me on a plane once involving overhead bin space.
Casinos have minimum/maximum wagers to 'segregate' players to a degree. In closing, my advice is to not worry too much and don't stoop down to their level. Don't swear at other players and don't criticize others for how they play, wager, etc. All the best!
Quote: TwoFeathersATLA little background, I like to play BJ. I play for fun. I prefer to play at a table where people are having fun, jokingly picking on each other, laughing, etc. not so much that it significantly slows the game down, just friendly banter at the table. The dealer can help alot with this, but I've played at some insanely funny tables where the dealer was basically a stump. I've also played at some tables that were very somber, and they were not as much fun.
Few weeks ago during a game a lady is walking past our table and growled something like "asshole betting black at a $15 table". The lady playing on my left ( she'd been there an hour or two ) instantly spun around and responded something along the lines of "mind you're own business bitch". This lady to my left was nicely dressed, maybe 50ish. I was a little stunned, the other lady kept walking. I looked at lady to my left, she just kind of shrugged, and the game resumed. I went back to paying attention to the game and didn't think about the incident until later.
I'm usually playing at a semi-full table, most of the players are betting reds with some green chips thrown in there. They're buying in for a couple hundred on average, moaning their losses and celebrating their victories, trying to have a good time. Have I diminished their experience by betting up to table max? Why did that lady call me an asshole? Is there some rule I've broken that I didn't know existed? I like for the people around me to be having a good time, it generally makes my experience more enjoyable. Any thoughts?
Quote: Rio481About 10 years ago I was playing a $10 shoe game. This guy in his mid-30s sits down and starts playing 2-5 blacks per hand on 2 spots. After a few minutes the woman sitting next to him says "Not that I mind you playing here, but just curious as to why you're not at a higher limit table?" He says, "You're having fun here. The other tables are too stone-faced for me."
For most people, playing BJ is entertainment. Play where you want (and how you want). It's your money.
It is a lot easier to feel like a "big shot" at a low-limit table than a high-limit table.
I like your point about Blackjack being entertainment and to play however you want. I have been at so many tables where a player complains about how everyone else "plays wrong" and "ruins the order of the cards" that I can't help but wonder: "Are you TRYING to be as miserable as possible?"
One of my little pleasures is when I see a player play WRONG (eg. standing on a 5) and WIN the hand! It makes the game entertaining and fun...even if I lose the hand....
Well now. This was my thread, my question.Quote: nvr55xxIt is a lot easier to feel like a "big shot" at a low-limit table than a high-limit table.
I like your point about Blackjack being entertainment and to play however you want. I have been at so many tables where a player complains about how everyone else "plays wrong" and "ruins the order of the cards" that I can't help but wonder: "Are you TRYING to be as miserable as possible?"
One of my little pleasures is when I see a player play WRONG (eg. standing on a 5) and WIN the hand! It makes the game entertaining and fun...even if I lose the hand....
Just to eliminate any confusion;
I have never, will never, sit at a table with a desire to appear to be a "big shot". Two reasons;
1- I'm not
2- if I were, I'd prolly try to disguise the fact ;-)
I play progressive, I'm cheap ass.
I want the minimum $ table I can find, that is 3:2.
The max better be 100x the minimum or I get loud, downright rowdy.
3:2 $10 Min, $1000 Max I like, I call Male Herbivore Excrement on any game that is not 3:2 100x spread.
I do not have a winning game, the house wins, I have an addictive game.
Similar to Heroin, or crack Cocaine, or so I've been told ;-)
Pls remember, I lose my money.
However, there are no long lasting physical side-effects ;-)
And I cannot get arrested, again, just for playing....
For a basic strategy player fewer hands per hour is often more important than better rules. The higher limit tables frequently only have 1 or 2 people playing and you can quickly find yourself heads up if they leave after you join. At .28% house edge and 140 hands per hour, betting $100 per hand your expected loss is $39 per hour. At a .48% HE table and 60 hands per hour and the same $100 bet, your expected loss is $29 per hour. The red chip table can be the better play especiaplaylly if it's more fun.Quote: GandlerI don't see any etiquette problems.
However, I do see potential strategy problems. Because the higher tables generally have better rules, so if you are going to bet blacks you may as well sit at a 100 dollar table or at least 25.
There is no point playing well above the minimum at a 5 dollar table, when are betting enough to get far better rules at the next table over. The only exception would be if you wanted to stick with a friend who was not comfortable at the higher tables, and you were purely playing socially.
Because if you are playing a 5-500 table with 8decks, and your average bet is 50, you may as well play at the 25-1000 table where there are 6decks and the dealer stands on soft 17. Or if you consistently bet over 50, you are even better off finding a 50 dollar table with even better rules.
Generally the lower the table the worse the rules. So if you are well above the minimum you may as well move to the appropriate table and lose slower.
Thanks. Welcome, uhh.....welcome back to you too.Quote: ernestmiddleWelcome Back Jim. Was afraid Angel Martin had you serving 90 days for something he did.
Quote: nvr55xxOne of my little pleasures is when I see a player play WRONG (eg. standing on a 5) and WIN the hand! It makes the game entertaining and fun...even if I lose the hand....
Agreed. I like seeing everyone win regardless how they play. But be careful assuming that someone who stands on 5 (assume you mean 15) is playing wrong. I had this happen recently. I was playing a $10 min shoe game. The guy to my left was playing flawless BS, and obviously wasn't counting. The count went strong positive and 2 hands in a row I drew a 15 against dealer's 10. Both times I stood (correct play given the count), and both times the guy next to me busted. The dealer busted once and drew to a 20 the other. One the second hand the guy busted because he drew the 10 which would have been mine had I hit. The dealer then drew the 5 that would have been his. The guy grumbles at me "you need to hit your cards". I ignored him. Had he been counting he would have realized I made the correct play, and we both would have won both hands. My point is, I was playing wrong in his view, and he was playing wrong in my view. Depends on your strategy. It's one of the reasons I never criticize someone else's play.
