bikeaholic1991
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November 9th, 2015 at 4:22:01 PM permalink
Northern California coastal casinos have double deck Spanish 21. I was curious how basic strategy/edge for the game would change with only two decks. The rules are double double, Hit soft 17, surrender, and allowed more than one card on split aces. I have read Katarina Walker's book and she doesn't acknowledge the existence of a two deck game. Wizard of Odds shares the same dearth of double deck spanish strategy.
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November 9th, 2015 at 5:58:14 PM permalink
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Northern California coastal casinos have double deck Spanish 21. I was curious how basic strategy/edge for the game would change with only two decks. The rules are double double, Hit soft 17, surrender, and allowed more than one card on split aces. I have read Katarina Walker's book and she doesn't acknowledge the existence of a two deck game. Wizard of Odds shares the same dearth of double deck spanish strategy.



Hi, and welcome to the forum. By "double double", do you mean "double on any two cards" or something else?
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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November 9th, 2015 at 6:52:01 PM permalink
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Hi, and welcome to the forum. By "double double", do you mean "double on any two cards" or something else?

It means redouble after doubling. For example. $10 bet. Dealer 6 up. First two player cards are 2,3. BS is to double by doubling with $10. Next card is a 2. The player should then redouble with $20. Next card is another 2 for a total of 9. Time for the third and final redouble of $40. There is a total of $80 on the felt. Final card is a Jack. Dealer proceeds to draw a 4 card 21 and you groan. (This is how my last Spanish 21 session went except I was just betting $5. )

To answer the OP I can only find dealer standing on soft 17 for double deck.
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November 9th, 2015 at 8:06:29 PM permalink
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It means redouble after doubling. For example. $10 bet. Dealer 6 up. First two player cards are 2,3. BS is to double by doubling with $10. Next card is a 2. The player should then redouble with $20. Next card is another 2 for a total of 9. Time for the third and final redouble of $40. There is a total of $80 on the felt. Final card is a Jack. Dealer proceeds to draw a 4 card 21 and you groan. (This is how my last Spanish 21 session went except I was just betting $5. )

To answer the OP I can only find dealer standing on soft 17 for double deck.



Thanks, miplet! I was not aware that was an option on any BJ-based game. Interesting rule.
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May 7th, 2026 at 9:09:54 AM permalink
Has anyone investigated double deck spanish strategy?
If nobody has I can investigate later this year.
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May 7th, 2026 at 10:30:09 AM permalink
Do not even think about it. This is a dying game, above all. I only saw one 6-deck sp21 game in the US. All the remaining are 8-decks.
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May 7th, 2026 at 5:23:08 PM permalink
Well double-deck is still played in California
I have probably seen Spanish 21 about as much as Double Down Madness and Free Bet Blackjack
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May 7th, 2026 at 7:02:40 PM permalink
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Well double-deck is still played in California
I have probably seen Spanish 21 about as much as Double Down Madness and Free Bet Blackjack
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East- SP21 is almost always S17.
West- SP21 is almost always H17, and generally with redouble.

They play as two very different games. I've heard of it being dealt as a pitch game (double deck) but never seen or played it.
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May 7th, 2026 at 7:51:49 PM permalink
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Well double-deck is still played in California
I have probably seen Spanish 21 about as much as Double Down Madness and Free Bet Blackjack
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What? Are you sure? Name one.
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May 7th, 2026 at 8:03:03 PM permalink
Bear River Casino has both 6-deck and double deck Spanish 21 listed on their website. I know it is up-to-date because the list includes Double 4 More Blackjack which is a new game.
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May 7th, 2026 at 8:09:44 PM permalink
Website information is often ads.
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May 7th, 2026 at 8:11:31 PM permalink
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Bear River Casino has both 6-deck and double deck Spanish 21 listed on their website. I know it is up-to-date because the list includes Double 4 More Blackjack which is a new game.
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Oh yeah, Loleta. I remember getting douched out of there about 10 years ago when I made that run up Hwy 101 and that hardly any of the tables were open. But yeah, I seem to remember they were advertising odd game configurations then too.
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May 7th, 2026 at 8:52:46 PM permalink
A casino in New Hampshire also has Double Deck Spanish 21
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May 8th, 2026 at 2:00:32 AM permalink
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A casino in New Hampshire also has Double Deck Spanish 21
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Yeah, but New Hampshire is weird like North Dakota is weird.
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May 8th, 2026 at 3:23:08 AM permalink
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A casino in New Hampshire also has Double Deck Spanish 21
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Yeah, but New Hampshire is weird like North Dakota is weird.
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Are you referring to the state itself or the casinos when you say weird?
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May 8th, 2026 at 11:43:15 AM permalink
It’s not legitimate to play Spanish 21 using only two decks, because a suited 7-7-7 hand is not possible and thus a super bonus payout is not possible for players.
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May 8th, 2026 at 12:09:29 PM permalink
Presumably there is no suited 7-7-7 bonus in this version, while being the same as Spanish 21 in other aspects

New Hampshire’s gambling situation is “charity”-based like North Dakota but they’re allowed to have real games and aren’t forced to play pig wheel.
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May 8th, 2026 at 12:28:50 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

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A casino in New Hampshire also has Double Deck Spanish 21
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Yeah, but New Hampshire is weird like North Dakota is weird.
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Are you referring to the state itself or the casinos when you say weird?
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The casinos.
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May 8th, 2026 at 2:56:21 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

Quote: Hunterhill

Quote: Dieter

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A casino in New Hampshire also has Double Deck Spanish 21
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Yeah, but New Hampshire is weird like North Dakota is weird.
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Are you referring to the state itself or the casinos when you say weird?
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The casinos.
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the casinos have improved and now you can bet $500
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May 8th, 2026 at 6:18:21 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

Quote: Dieter

Quote: Hunterhill

Quote: Dieter

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A casino in New Hampshire also has Double Deck Spanish 21
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Yeah, but New Hampshire is weird like North Dakota is weird.
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Are you referring to the state itself or the casinos when you say weird?
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The casinos.
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the casinos have improved and now you can bet $500
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The part I find odd is classifying an ongoing commercial gambling venture in a permanent location as "charitable gaming".

I recognize that I have peculiar views on the matter, but the mental gymnastics required are a bridge too far for me.

(There are oddballs in Iowa, too... Prairie Meadows and Q. Those seem less weird, but still weird.)
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May 8th, 2026 at 6:59:23 PM permalink
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Presumably there is no suited 7-7-7 bonus in this version, while being the same as Spanish 21 in other aspects

New Hampshire’s gambling situation is “charity”-based like North Dakota but they’re allowed to have real games and aren’t forced to play pig wheel.
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Page 5 from https://wsgc.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2025-06/Spanish%2021%20Game%20Rules%204-9-24.pdf has info on double deck bonus stuff
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May 10th, 2026 at 7:30:13 AM permalink
I believe there is a problem here. Usually, the hand 7-7-7 of the same suit of spades pays 3 to 1, but this document says the same suit of hearts.
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May 10th, 2026 at 7:34:31 AM permalink
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I believe there is a problem here. Usually, the hand 7-7-7 of the same suit of spades pays 3 to 1, but this document says the same suit of hearts.
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Where does it say that?

I read "7-7-7 of Spades pays 3 to 1"
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May 10th, 2026 at 7:37:05 AM permalink
It is somewhere in it. I am certain I read 7-7-7 of all hearts.
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May 10th, 2026 at 7:40:12 AM permalink
if you press ⌘F you can find all six instances of the word "hearts", none of which mention a 7-7-7 of all hearts.
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May 10th, 2026 at 7:43:12 AM permalink
I really want to learn from you now. How do I search a pdf document on my iPhone. What is “ press ⌘F “. ?
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May 10th, 2026 at 8:43:24 AM permalink
You can’t do it on your phone without an app, you have to do it on your computer

⌘ just means the command button
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