Kutsu
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April 8th, 2015 at 1:23:24 AM permalink
I have been playing myVegas Blackjack since it was released. I have just recently finished grinding out all the gold achievements on the "my strip" board. My strip currently ends at Luxor and they have not added more since the past two updates. There are 3 more stages to go, Monte Carlo, Mandalay Bay, and Bellagio before you "beat the game". Instead of adding these stages, the last two content patches added a slot machine into a Blackjack game and added ShaqJack (Burn 20 Blackjack).

In this game, I mostly played the Single Deck, 3/2 Blackjack payout, DAS, no surrender, 2 splits max, dealer checks for blackjack, shuffles after every game (continuous shuffler). They also have 6 deck and free bet blackjack with the same rules as above. I have not purchased any chips, I earned chips by collecting 3200 chips every 4 hours and the playing spin wheel for chips which has a 3x multiplier for consecutive play. This method of acquiring chips was patched out with ShaqJack, it is now significantly harder to acquire chips through bonus rounds.

You can earn loyalty points which you can redeem on MGM properties and MGM partners. The only way to earn loyalty points is by completing achievements on "my strip" or betting a enough chips. After completing the "my strip" board, I ended with 63,000 loyalty points at level 113. To put into perspective, a buy one get one free Gelato is worth 2500 loyalty, 10 dollar freeplay is worth 10000 loyalty, crepes at the Aria is worth 10000 loyalty, and 25 dollar freeplay is worth 50000 loyalty. In order to redeem the loyalty points, you must either dine at the restaurant or stay at the hotel. In my opinion, anything above 50000 loyalty is unobtainable. Most of the freebies are not worth it since you get them already as a M-Life member.

I am confident the cards in this game are rigged. Anytime you bet big you can expect to lose or push. Anytime you have a split with a double, you can expect your hand to lose. There are a set of collectibles you can earn by playing. Once you've earned enough collectibles, you unlock the next stage which means your minimum is now higher. I have always tried to bust collectibles on purpose to keep my minimum low but they will make sure you win. I have hit 20s and received an ace, I have hit 17s and received 4 aces all the way to 21. These have happened a lot more than it should.

You would think the objective of the game is to get casual players to dabble into blackjack which then gets them to play with real money at the tables in Vegas. They have implemented a feature named "Bold Plays" where the screen flashes and special effects go off when you do something "bold" such as splitting 10s, doubling anything 12 or over, and doubling 7 or less. This encourages bad plays. Casual players will be more likely to do a "bold play" in real life with real money. In my opinion, this game does not need to rig cards to get people playing in Vegas. I think the loyalty bonuses and the Bold Play meter is enough so why rig the cards? Blackjack continuous shuffler has a house advantage and is uncountable so players will lose chips over time.

I am so offended by the fact that the cards are rigged and that's why I was so driven to beat this game without spending any real money. I wanted to earn as much loyalty points as possible and then redeem the most expensive thing I could. If you are playing this game, just earn enough loyalty to buy a Gelato or a crepe then stop. As I said above, earning more than 50,000 loyalty points is unrealistic and it will cost you more time than the money to pay for the real thing. If you decide to continue playing, my best advice to you is BUY THE INSURANCE!!! The dealer definitely has Blackjack.

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Romes
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April 8th, 2015 at 9:02:02 AM permalink
Quote: Kutsu

I have been playing myVegas Blackjack since it was released...

I am confident the cards in this game are rigged...


Hi Kutsu, and welcome to the forums. While I'm not saying you're correct or not, you certainly aren't the first person of accusing an online game of being rigged. I'm not 100% familiar with myVegas, other than it's a facebook game and I think you can earn TR points through it. Can you actually bet real money? Even so, let me not get distracted from my point... If you're going to accuse any site/game/etc of cheating, you must have substantial (and detailed) information to support your claim. How many hands have you played? Have you been flat betting the entire time (thus how much have you wagered)? From there you can derive the house edge and how much theoretically you should have loss and compared it to your actual results. How many times has the dealer blackjacked in these hands? These are all metrics that need recorded EVERY hand.

Anyone in the world could come in here and say "omg guys, I've been playing this game for EVER and I never win!" Then we come to find out they played it a lot, last week. You need to have hundreds of thousands of recorded hands. Video evidence is by far the best because it shows you aren't skewing the data personally. When you have hundreds of thousands of hands/spins MINIMUM then you can start to tell if a game is 'cheating' or not because there is an Expected Value and Standard Deviations for the mathematics of the game. At that point you have enough data to analyze where your results fall and conclude that if they're outside of the realm of possible, thus a site is cheating.

Still, I want to thank you for your feedback, and welcome you to the forums. I just hope if you claim any online site/game/etc is cheating that you'll understand most of the math minds on this forum want a little more than your word.
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djatc
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April 8th, 2015 at 9:12:14 AM permalink
I earned about 1mil+ loyalty points and only bought more chips for $5 because myvegas was letting people who purchase chips an extra redemption per month. Sure its probably gaffed but there's no cost to play, and the only thing you lose is your time.
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sabre
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April 8th, 2015 at 9:32:36 AM permalink
Lol at needing hundreds of thousands of hands to prove the myvegas blackjack game is gaffed. You'd probably need a couple thousand at most to confirm at 5 to 6 standard deviations. They never promised that it was a fair representation. I still think it's a stupid move by MGM.
CrystalMath
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April 8th, 2015 at 9:43:54 AM permalink
I once recorded 8000 hands on the facebook version, and I am 100% convinced that it was not rigged. I haven't played the mobile version very much, but I suspect it's not rigged.
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Gabes22
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April 8th, 2015 at 9:58:45 AM permalink
I am 100% convinced it is not rigged. You can combine your points on the slots and blackjack, and I rarely go bust, but even when I do, I can build up my stack within a couple day just by doing the bonuses. I have over 600,000 LPs so my next trip to Vegas should have some nice perks.
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ThatDonGuy
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April 8th, 2015 at 11:06:51 AM permalink
Quote: Kutsu

I have been playing myVegas Blackjack since it was released. I have just recently finished grinding out all the gold achievements on the "my strip" board. My strip currently ends at Luxor and they have not added more since the past two updates. There are 3 more stages to go, Monte Carlo, Mandalay Bay, and Bellagio before you "beat the game". Instead of adding these stages, the last two content patches added a slot machine into a Blackjack game and added ShaqJack (Burn 20 Blackjack).

In this game, I mostly played the Single Deck, 3/2 Blackjack payout, DAS, no surrender, 2 splits max, dealer checks for blackjack, shuffles after every game (continuous shuffler). They also have 6 deck and free bet blackjack with the same rules as above. I have not purchased any chips, I earned chips by collecting 3200 chips every 4 hours and the playing spin wheel for chips which has a 3x multiplier for consecutive play. This method of acquiring chips was patched out with ShaqJack, it is now significantly harder to acquire chips through bonus rounds.



I assume you are playing the app version rather than the Facebook one.

Questions for you: what is the chips per XP rate, and what (if anything) is the XP cap per deal?
On the Facebook version, you get 1 XP for every 2 chips bet, but there is a maximum XP per deal (not per hand, as if you play multiple hands, the cap applies to all of the hands put together), although you can gain XP on splits and doubles even if your bets are at the cap. The last time I checked, about 6 months ago, the cap on the Facebook app was 60K XPs per deal.
Gabes22
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April 8th, 2015 at 11:29:32 AM permalink
I almost exclusively play BJ on the facebook game. They used to cap it at 15K XPs per deal, but now I can play 3 handed at 50K per hand and get 75K XPs per deal but have not gone above that threshold
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AxelWolf
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April 8th, 2015 at 1:52:46 PM permalink
My GF is convinced its rigged (slots mostly). She has multiple accounts she uses for a long time now.

she claims accounts that have an overabundance of saved chips (3 to 7 million) will get depleted down to a few hundred thousand chips very quickly while playing a quest(whatever that means) down to 100k to 200k betting around 3k a spin.

Betting the same amount on accounts that have significantly less chips (100k or so) she will finish the quest down a little or up a little.

She says its very predictable.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
FinsRule
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April 8th, 2015 at 3:36:10 PM permalink
I've got over 20 mil in red and 1.25 mil in gold. I don't think it's rigged. I've purchased $5 total.

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