Vegas Vacation with AOS
Quote: aceofspadesYummy
Man, now I miss the USA even more!!!! Although my cholesterol needs to get in check before I will be having another one of those :)
Bon Appetit ace!!!
Quit blaming the dealers. All the decisions are made on your side of the tables. Ploppies making bad decisions seem to affect your mental health. Gee, can't find a table with just you ? Or watch and wong-in after verifying no idiots at the table ?
Quote: aceofspadesFor all of those worried about my eating...
I am sitting down to a nice filet mignonette with truffle mashed potatoes
I just had a can of tomato soup. But is was Campbells.
Trip is -8900
Could this be Deja Vu All Over Again ?
Quote: BuzzardEvenbob and I had a past discussion about Ace, Speed Count, and expected crash and burn scenario on his estimated bankroll. We figured 17K minus would happen on a trip, sooner or later. Hard to belief a guy who puts so much time, effort, and research into his briefs, would use a piss poor counting system. Talk about being self destructive.
I haven't done much research, but everything I read on here hints to people using hi/lo vs. this count. I would think ace is smart enough to just use hi/lo, especially if he doesn't drink much alcohol. I know I could do hi/lo, if I cared to do so.
Even after rest, food and a new improved attitude? IMPOSSIBLE. Everyone gave you the same advice, you listened, why didn't the cards? I'm confused now.Quote: aceofspadesTrip -12
I know this amount sucks for anyone. If DJ can go though 6k, certainly you can afford 12k. I know your not an AP bit this is even more reason not be to upset. Im sure you will have a good run eventually.
Perhaps you really should look into using a better count or playing more solid things. Someone pointed out you go the extra doing other things why not spend more time implementing a better count or finding better EV?
I know Doctors and other well respected people who make a ton of money AP'ing and they do their jobs.
Quote: aceofspadesJust lost 15 hands in a row
Well this is about a 40,000 to 1 shot. You sure it was 15 in a row?
Quote: Wizard
According to my blackjack appendix 4, the probability of an overall win in blackjack is 42.22%, a tie is 8.48%, and a loss is 49.10%.
Quote: AxelWolfEven after rest, food and a new improved attitude? IMPOSSIBLE. Everyone gave you the same advice, you listened, why didn't the cards? I'm confused now.
Why are you being so dense that you keep missing everyone's point? No one said he would win after taking a break. No one implied he would do better at all after a break. The cards obviously don't know how long you have been playing or how you are feeling.
The point was that it's destructive to gamble while extremely upset.
1. It's not fun, and Ace plays for fun. Blackjack is not Ace's career and he is not playing with an edge.
2. Playing while extremely upset means it's very likely you could make playing errors, count errors, betting errors, etc.
3. Playing while extremely upset could mean you gamble more than you intended to risk.
4. Ace was posting things like "I am having an out of body experience," "I don't know what to do," "I should jump in front of a bus," etc. If an activity is causing you to think those things, it's a good idea to stop doing that activity.
Quote: sodawaterWell this is about a 40,000 to 1 shot. You sure it was 15 in a row?
Quote: Wizard
According to my blackjack appendix 4, the probability of an overall win in blackjack is 42.22%, a tie is 8.48%, and a loss is 49.10%.
Quite sure sodawater
Quote: sodawaterWhy are you being so dense that you keep missing everyone's point? No one said he would win after taking a break. No one implied he would do better at all after a break. The cards obviously don't know how long you have been playing or how you are feeling.
You missed the sarcasm in Axel's post I think. Is it a good time to be sarcastic here? Meh.
Quote: tringlomaneYou missed the sarcasm in Axel's post I think. Is it a good time to be sarcastic here? Meh.
I got the sarcasm. I was responding to the sarcasm in his post and what it implied.
Careful, I conciser that a personal insult.Quote: sodawaterWhy are you being so dense that you keep missing everyone's point? No one said he would win after taking a break. No one implied he would do better at all after a break. The cards obviously don't know how long you have been playing or how you are feeling.
The point was that it's destructive to gamble while extremely upset.
1. It's not fun, and Ace plays for fun. Blackjack is not Ace's career and he is not playing with an edge.
2. Playing while extremely upset means it's very likely you could make playing errors, count errors, betting errors, etc.
3. Playing while extremely upset could mean you gamble more than you intended to risk.
4. Ace was posting things like "I am having an out of body experience," "I don't know what to do," "I should jump in front of a bus," etc. If an activity is causing you to think those things, it's a good idea to stop doing that activity.
If you read everything I said. I in fact said if it would cause you to do anything like you mentioned, taking a break would be a good idea. I think he should take a permanent break and go home until next time. I Do not believe he will be able to relax and enjoy his trip no matter what at this point. I doubt he will be able to really enjoy a show or court some girl. Taking breaks and recharging could make things worst, it may give him new good attitude, he may be feeling better about his losses and say its water under the bridge and start the cycle over again, then lose 2 or 3 time as much as he has already. He keeps taking breaks and it keeps getting worst.
I would rather have one big losing session for 15k, sting enough to make me stop. Then 15 3k losing sessions.
Quote: AxelWolf
If you read everything I said. I in fact said if it would cause you to do anything like you mentioned, taking a break would be a good idea. I think he should take a permanent break and go home until next time. I Do not believe he will be able to relax and enjoy his trip no matter what at this point. I doubt he will be able to really enjoy a show or court some girl. Taking breaks and recharging could make things worst, it may give him new good attitude, he may be feeling better about his losses and say its water under the bridge and start the cycle over again, then lose 2 or 3 time as much as he has already. He keeps taking breaks and it keeps getting worst.
I would rather have one big losing session for 15k, sting enough to make me stop. Then 15 3k losing sessions.
Everything you said here makes sense, so why didn't you just say that instead of your sarcastic post about being shocked taking breaks didn't cause him to win?
Highlights of the evening:
Losing 15 hands in a row
An older lady refusing to hit any 12-16 but then hitting 17 against a dealer 7 because "I need at least an 18 to beat the dealer on this one"---and then not understanding what doubling down meant
Possible Nareed sighting but probably not
Going to sleep with high hopes for the daybreak
If there is any little solace in this, it is that this places me at even steven for blackjack for 2014
Because some people actually think taking breaks and having a winning attitude works. You can bet your last dollar if Ace went on a winning streak after taking some breaks some would have been patting themselves on their back or chiming in saying, See good thing you took a break. They they would have claimed that was the reason.Quote: sodawaterEverything you said here makes sense, so why didn't you just say that instead of your sarcastic post about being shocked taking breaks didn't cause him to win?
I'm a bit worried he thinks Nareed is now outside the high limit room stalking him.
Obviously if you are going to put yourself in a position to go on tilt its not good. Have you ever tried to talk a guy down from tilting? Usually nothing works they just have to get it out of their system. If he dose not make a comeback, lets hope he changes his approach to the game.
Quote: aceofspadesAn older lady refusing to hit any 12-16 but then hitting 17 against a dealer 7 because "I need at least an 18 to beat the dealer on this one"---and then not understanding what doubling down meant
Why in God's name did you play at a table with a woman like that for more than one hand?
I'm like you, I can't stand poor play like that (even if it doesn't matter "in the long run..." Blah blah blah.). I would have ran for the exits had I been near someone that dumb.
His posts make it seem like he is blaming many of his losses on other players and true or not, why play with people who are going to upset you? It is for FUN and relaxation, why allow others to ruin it.
Quote: BozI know Ace likes Aria, but there is no reason why he should be playing at tables with other players at his level IF he feels this is affecting him. Many casinos on the strip would give him, or would just be empty in the HL room, a $100 minimum table to play alone at. Even staying in the MGM family and staying at Aria, he could go to a lessor property and play there and still keep his Aria room as long as his host handles everything. MGM Market, not individual casino play, shows your value to the company and what they will give you in comps.
His posts make it seem like he is blaming many of his losses on other players and true or not, why play with people who are going to upset you? It is for FUN and relaxation, why allow others to ruin it.
seems to me that when he is losing he will blame it on something. If it isn't the other players then it will be the dealers.
it's basically as if I've never played a hand this year since this loss has made me even for the year
Lost everything
Quote: BuzzardYou did buy a round trip ticket ? You know, just in case Bob's voodoo dolls are working !
Gee, who could have thought that could ever happen ?
Quote: BuzzardGee, who could have thought that could ever happen ?
Buzz I don't need this right now ok
Quote: ams288How much is "everything?"
Everything I was up for the year (12k) plus an additional 3k
If it makes you feel any better, considering your total action, down 3k for the year is far from a worst-case scenario.
Quote: Mission146Ace,
If it makes you feel any better, considering your total action, down 3k for the year is far from a worst-case scenario.
It doesn't make me feel better Mission but I appreciate the sentiment
Quote: ams288So are you done for the trip?
Yes I refuse to make a bad situation worse
Take this opportunity, and I don't necessarily mean right now, today if you are still in Vegas, but when you get home, to really take a good look at what you are doing and what it is you want to do as far as your gambling goes. I mean what is it you are really trying to do?
If your goal is to gamble at a level that will result in basically free vacations (less gambling financial results), you are right on schedule.
If your goal is the above plus play close to a break even game via a weak count, again, based on your YTD, as you have just described, you are pretty much on par. Even at the tables and having accumulated a lot of comps and perks. And by the way after this trip, there will be a tremendous amount more coming.
If you really want to do all of the above AND make some money, you need to step up your game. I am talking count yes, but more than just count, it's the way you attack. You have resisted hi-lo for as long as I have read your posts. I have never understood why. Hi-lo is not very hard. You are a lawyer for god sakes, and lawyer jokes aside, you certainly are smart enough to learn it and you should be smart enough to know the difference a more 'legitimate' count will make with your results, especially playing the levels you play.
I am not trying to be mean AOS. I also hope this don't come across as me thinking I am superior, which I have been accused of...not the case at all. I just do recognize the fact that what you are doing isn't getting you the results that you desire, and maybe even worse, you are not enjoying yourself doing it. Again, really take this opportunity to re-evaluate everything. Where you are. Where you want to go.
Good fortune my friend. Life is short.....seek happiness.
kj
Quote: kewljAce, you have received a lot of unsolicited advice in this thread.......so here is some more....lol.
Take this opportunity, and I don't necessarily mean right now, today if you are still in Vegas, but when you get home, to really take a good look at what you are doing and what it is you want to do as far as your gambling goes. I mean what is it you are really trying to do?
If your goal is to gamble at a level that will result in basically free vacations (less gambling financial results), you are right on schedule.
If your goal is the above plus play close to a break even game via a weak count, again, based on your YTD, as you have just described, you are pretty much on par. Even at the tables and having accumulated a lot of comps and perks. And by the way after this trip, there will be a tremendous amount more coming.
If you really want to do all of the above AND make some money, you need to step up your game. I am talking count yes, but more than just count, it's the way you attack. You have resisted hi-lo for as long as I have read your posts. I have never understood why. Hi-lo is not very hard. You are a lawyer for god sakes, and lawyer jokes aside, you certainly are smart enough to learn it and you should be smart enough to know the difference a more 'legitimate' count will make with your results, especially playing the levels you play.
I am not trying to be mean AOS. I also hope this don't come across as me thinking I am superior, which I have been accused of...not the case at all. I just do recognize the fact that what you are doing isn't getting you the results that you desire, and maybe even worse, you are not enjoying yourself doing it. Again, really take this opportunity to re-evaluate everything. Where you are. Where you want to go.
Good fortune my friend. Life is short.....seek happiness.
kj
Thank kj
I am thankful for advice from the forum (be it solicited or unsolicited)
Yes the facts are I have been using a weak SC
I have received tons of comps and freebies
I am still about even for lifetime play of BJ
But, right here, right now, in this moment...it stings and hurts very badly
Quote: aceofspadesEverything I was up for the year (12k) plus an additional 3k
Here is the thing:
You are using speed count. Speed count is a steaming pile of shit. Down $3k is probably ahead of expectation for the year. You may as well go to the craps table and use the 5 count hoping to find rhythmic rollers.
I know that it feels that you were really unlucky, but, from your trip reports, it seems like you tend to leave the table after small wins but don't like to quit while down unless if you are way down. If you do this, you are going to have a lot of small wins which add up and trick you into thinking that you are beating the game, but also have the occasional massive loss which wipes out your wins and then some. It is not that different from the negative progression bettors in baccarat.
Anyway, I don't know how meaningful the money is to you so I won't comment on that, but at the stakes you are playing, down $3k is nothing. You can win or lose that much in 5 minutes.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceHere is the thing:
You are using speed count. Speed count is a steaming pile of shit. Down $3k is probably ahead of expectation for the year. You may as well go to the craps table and use the 5 count hoping to find rhythmic rollers.
I know that it feels that you were really unlucky, but, from your trip reports, it seems like you tend to leave the table after small wins but don't like to quit while down unless if you are way down. If you do this, you are going to have a lot of small wins which add up and trick you into thinking that you are beating the game, but also have the occasional massive loss which wipes out your wins and then some. It is not that different from the negative progression bettors in baccarat.
Anyway, I don't know how meaningful the money is to you so I won't comment on that, but at the stakes you are playing, down $3k is nothing. You can win or lose that much in 5 minutes.
Yes that is true down 3k for the year is nothing but the total trip loss itself -- and the way in which it was lost (with dealer's pulling 21s almost at will and most of the time when I had doubles, splits or my own 20s) makes it a tough pill to swallow
Even using hi/Lo, the cards would have still come out the same
Quote: aceofspadesYes that is true down 3k for the year is nothing but the total trip loss itself -- and the way in which it was lost (with dealer's pulling 21s almost at will and most of the time when I had doubles, splits or my own 20s) makes it a tough pill to swallow
Even using hi/Lo, the cards would have still come out the same
There is no doubt about that, but your bets may have been different for some of them. You might be even or up for the year. Or down less. Or, yeah, possibly down more. It's impossible to tell.
Anyway, life is one long session. Would you feel better if, instead of being up $12k and then suddenly losing it all plus an extra $3k, you had 6 trips of down $500 each? In other words, if you had been dealt the same hands with the same bets out all year long, but in a different order? It might feel different, but, really, it's the same. IMO that is how you have to think if you are going to gamble.
Did a dealer really pull a 9-card 21 on you, or was that a typo? That requires an 8-card 16 (or lower) without ever getting to soft 17 or higher.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceHere is the thing:
You are using speed count. Speed count is a steaming pile of shit. Down $3k is probably ahead of expectation for the year. You may as well go to the craps table and use the 5 count hoping to find rhythmic rollers.
I know that it feels that you were really unlucky, but, from your trip reports, it seems like you tend to leave the table after small wins but don't like to quit while down unless if you are way down. If you do this, you are going to have a lot of small wins which add up and trick you into thinking that you are beating the game, but also have the occasional massive loss which wipes out your wins and then some. It is not that different from the negative progression bettors in baccarat.
Anyway, I don't know how meaningful the money is to you so I won't comment on that, but at the stakes you are playing, down $3k is nothing. You can win or lose that much in 5 minutes.
Good post. I also noticed that Ace likes to take small wins and is stubborn about taking losses.
Taking losses is part of blackjack, and part of all gambling. If you can't mentally accept booking a loss, gambling is not going to be fun or profitable.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceThere is no doubt about that, but your bets may have been different for some of them. You might be even or up for the year. Or down less. Or, yeah, possibly down more. It's impossible to tell.
Anyway, life is one long session. Would you feel better if, instead of being up $12k and then suddenly losing it all plus an extra $3k, you had 6 trips of down $500 each? In other words, if you had been dealt the same hands with the same bets out all year long, but in a different order? It might feel different, but, really, it's the same. IMO that is how you have to think if you are going to gamble.
Did a dealer really pull a 9-card 21 on you, or was that a typo? That requires an 8-card 16 (or lower) without ever getting to soft 17 or higher.
Right has to be thought of as if I was even every trip for the year and merely lost this trip
And yes---as unfortunate as it sounds, the dealer did indeed pull a 9 card 21 (it was a harrowing experience)
