Buzzard
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December 16th, 2012 at 8:52:05 AM permalink
I should already know the answer, but I don't. Looking for a website that has the following info : What are the approximate % of hands, that a player will have a hard total of 17 thru 21 and soft totals of 17 thru 20 ? Not concerned what he does with those hands, or number of cards it takes to hit those totals .
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December 16th, 2012 at 9:55:48 AM permalink
I can find totals for 1st 2 cards easily, but no info on which are hard or soft. Can't find my copies of BJ as a business. I think Lawrence had number of times you get each 2 card starting hand in 100,000 hands. So I should be able to find out about 2 hand totals. Somewhere on the web ??
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AxiomOfChoice
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December 16th, 2012 at 2:53:29 PM permalink
For single deck, any specific soft hand (other than blackjack) is 16/1326 = about 1.2%. So, just subtract 1.2% from your totals to get probabilities for hard totals.

Also, any specific pair is 6/1326 = about 0.45%, so for example if your "hard 18" total includes 9,9 and you want to count that separately, subtract another 0.45%.

Numbers for more decks will be different but still not difficult to calculate.
charliepatrick
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December 16th, 2012 at 4:32:25 PM permalink
Firstly you have to define the drawing rules, and then the number of decks.
(i) If you assume infinite deck, then you can construct a spreadsheet using the principle that (for instance) from a 6 you can get soft 17 1/13 of the time, 8 thru 15 1/13 each, 16 4/13. Start with 21 has P=1 of having 21, etc. so 16 would be 21 to 17 are 1/13 each, etc.
(ii) If you have a finite number of decks then you have to work out all the ways of getting any given total and add up the permutations and work out their probability - best of luck!

If you are only looking at the first two cards, then it's simple. For instance you can get 15 (10-5),(9-6),(8-7),(7-8),(6-9),(5-10), ignoring (A4). There are 16*#decks of 10s and 4*#decks of others. If you have a pair, subtract one for the second card (e.g. 4N * (4N-1) ). Divide by (52N)*(52N-1).
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December 16th, 2012 at 5:14:15 PM permalink
Thanks a lot Charles, but I have no idea at all what the F*** you are talking about.

My problem , not yours, 11 grade education ended in 1957.
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December 16th, 2012 at 7:57:10 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

...Looking for a website that has the following info...
What are the approximate % of hands, that a player will have a hard total of 17 thru 21 and soft totals of 17 thru 20 ?
Not concerned what he does with those hands, or number of cards it takes to hit those totals .

Norm has a ton of free and very accurate info on the net.
http://www.blackjackincolor.com/blackjackfirstcards1.htm
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December 16th, 2012 at 8:09:48 PM permalink
THANKS I knew it had to be on the web somewhere. THANKS
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December 22nd, 2012 at 4:05:58 PM permalink
Chart B21 on page 71 breaks down how many times you will get each hand in a trial of 100,00 hands. Revere's (not his real name) book was the first one I read in 1974 and I think that his book is the book I used to learn basic strategy as well as the simple plus minus count.

If you need the numbers on that chart, let me know. It will be quite a bit of typing or adding all columns of hands per each dealer up card as well as each player hand combo.
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December 24th, 2012 at 3:50:03 AM permalink
It should be the 3rd edition of Blackjack Attack by Don S. Unfortunately, I quit playing BJ and those books are in storage.
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