advise - ethics
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December 12th, 2012 at 10:35:35 AM
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Quote: 1BBUse them to your advantage. I wonged out of a shoe recently and the two frat boys at the table started mouthing off about the flow of the cards etc. I talked them into playing two hands each to finish the shoe. Ethical? Don't know don't care. If they had kept their mouths shut I wouldn't have said a word.
I heart ploppies!
I have lifted this topic from another thread, so as not to hijack the previous thread. I find this topic of ethics when dealing with other players interesting. Unlike poker where you are playing against the other players, blackjack is really just you vs the dealer (despite what many ploppies think). But there are instances where another player's decisions can effect your game. I am not talking about voodoo stuff like taking the dealers bust card or a player taking a card "that changes the flow of the cards and the game". That stuff is nonsense and if you don't know why, please don't use this thread to figure it out. For the sake of this thread take my word on that. I don't want to get side-tracked onto voodoo issues.
Now a legit instance where another player's actions could effect your game is something like hitting soft 17 vs 10 during a high count. I assume we all know basic strategy says to hit a A6 vs 10. So here is the situation: True count is +4. Player next to you has A6 vs 10. The player asks you what he should do. You know that the best play for the player is to hit. But for you, the best situation is if he stays, preserving cards, which could lead to an extra round during this high count and higher advantage. So do you tell him the truth or do you lie?
Now let's take it even a step further. He doesn't ask you for advice. Do you offer the incorrect advice knowing it could be beneficial to you.
December 12th, 2012 at 10:38:21 AM
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In this case you should be giving the right advice. Because a situation down the road the count will be negative, and you'll want them to hit.
Either way, if someone asks you basic strategy advice and you know it, just give it to them. Unless they're a jerk, then screw em.
Either way, if someone asks you basic strategy advice and you know it, just give it to them. Unless they're a jerk, then screw em.
December 12th, 2012 at 10:44:07 AM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
December 12th, 2012 at 11:07:36 AM
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I'll offer the correct basic strategy advise (when asked), obviously I won't make index adjustments part of my advise. I usually follow that with a "but please play your hand any way you want.".
December 12th, 2012 at 11:10:48 AM
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I voted "offer proper advice only when asked." I've learned a long time ago to never offer unsoliciated advice. However, if I'm asked, I'll answer truthfully, in the spirit of altruism.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 12th, 2012 at 11:20:15 AM
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Yeah I'm with the group on this one. Never offer unsolicited advice. If asked, I give correct basic strategy advice, but always with the disclaimer " it's your money, play it however you want". That seems to keep everyone happy. As to if the count would be negatively affected by another player hitting, you don't know that in advance anyway. Just that it's more or less likely.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:25:07 AM
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Quote: vendman1Yeah I'm with the group on this one. Never offer unsolicited advice. If asked, I give correct basic strategy advice, but always with the disclaimer " it's your money, play it however you want". That seems to keep everyone happy. As to if the count would be negatively affected by another player hitting, you don't know that in advance anyway. Just that it's more or less likely.
It's not that the count would be effected, but more that extra cards are eaten. Just a couple extra cards in play can mean the difference in getting an extra round of play, at a high positive count.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:42:39 AM
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Quote: kewljIt's not that the count would be effected, but more that extra cards are eaten. Just a couple extra cards in play can mean the difference in getting an extra round of play, at a high positive count.
Yeah, this is true, but I feel like it's not worth giving wrong advice to others not as skilled as you. "Golden Rule" and all that fun stuff.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:44:18 AM
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Quote: tringlomaneYeah, this is true, but I feel like it's not worth giving wrong advice to others not as skilled as you. "Golden Rule" and all that fun stuff.
That's fine. Not trying to influence your answer. Just wanted to clarify what was at stake.
December 12th, 2012 at 12:23:10 PM
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I voted for proper advice only when asked. Most players are there for enjoyment and sometimes the "experts" need to be reminded of that. When asked I refer to basic strategy and nothing more. The last thing I need is the pit hearing me discuss the finer points of the game.
If I've developed a rapport with a player, I'm there for them and will take the doubles and splits that they are afraid to make. They seem to appreciate it. :-)
If I've developed a rapport with a player, I'm there for them and will take the doubles and splits that they are afraid to make. They seem to appreciate it. :-)
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
December 12th, 2012 at 5:58:17 PM
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For entertainment purposes, whenever I see some guy I don't particularly like trying to show off to his woman at the table, I had her a BS sheet and watch her backseat bet the guy <Evil LOL>
December 12th, 2012 at 6:08:02 PM
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I usually give the correct advice,but I will tell people not to split if they ask, so as to use less cards and keep the game moving faster.
The mountain is tall but grass grows on top of the mountain.
December 12th, 2012 at 7:53:53 PM
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Give correct advice when asked.
Otherwise mind your own game, to mind your own Pints and Quarts ("P & Q's")
But report a cheater on your game, and wrong payouts.
If you're on a table, it IS your business.
Otherwise mind your own game, to mind your own Pints and Quarts ("P & Q's")
But report a cheater on your game, and wrong payouts.
If you're on a table, it IS your business.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
December 12th, 2012 at 7:56:15 PM
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" But report a cheater on your game, and wrong payouts.
If you're on a table, it IS your business."
And when exactly can I expect a payroll check from the casino ?
If you're on a table, it IS your business."
And when exactly can I expect a payroll check from the casino ?
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
December 12th, 2012 at 8:01:10 PM
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Quote: Buzzard" But report a cheater on your game, and wrong payouts.
If you're on a table, it IS your business."
And when exactly can I expect a payroll check from the casino ?
When it is due you, - right at the cage. In cash. I always cashed MY casino check right at the property. And went home to my wife, if I didn't gamble at another joint.
And When it is not due you,- then whenever gaming okay's it for you. Good luck.
And that's when.
Any questions?
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
December 12th, 2012 at 8:05:04 PM
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If it's a union shop, must I pay dues for doing security's job. If the cheater I report punches my lights out, will the casino's hospitalization plan cover my medical expenses?
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
December 12th, 2012 at 8:07:35 PM
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Quote: BuzzardIf it's a union shop, must I pay dues for doing security's job. If the cheater I report punches my lights out, will the casino's hospitalization plan cover my medical expenses?
Yes. If it were to happen - in your very hypothetical world.
Normally,
1.the cheater gets detained and arrested, and gets his @ss used as an amusement park in Nevada State prison. For many years.
2. You sue the cheater in a civil lawsuit, and get his house. Which would help you out immensely.
3. Assuming you are castrate enought to let another player handle you like that at a casino before security gets there, your own black eyes wiill let you know that you are never on top of the situation. Personally, I carry a .380
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
December 12th, 2012 at 8:11:07 PM
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I am not the one who said it is a player's responsibility to catch cheaters.
On a more sane note, bills starting to trickle in for my heart attack. About 6k in minor, ER docs, lab work, etc.
The big one for putting stint in, 2 day stay etc, a mere 46K + !
On a more sane note, bills starting to trickle in for my heart attack. About 6k in minor, ER docs, lab work, etc.
The big one for putting stint in, 2 day stay etc, a mere 46K + !
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
December 12th, 2012 at 8:11:16 PM
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Quote: WizardI voted "offer proper advice only when asked." I've learned a long time ago to never offer unsoliciated advice. However, if I'm asked, I'll answer truthfully, in the spirit of altruism.
In the words of The Fonz, "Exactamundo!"
I never volunteer my opinion on how player should play his/her hand at the bj table - not my money, not my business - split 10's sure, double a hard 18 go for it
But, as the Wizard said, if asked, I will answer with the correct basic strategy play
December 12th, 2012 at 8:11:47 PM
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Quote: BuzzardI am not the one who said it is a player's responsibility to catch cheaters.
On a more sane note, bills starting to trickle in for my heart attack. About 6k in minor, ER docs, lab work, etc.
The big one for putting stint in, 2 day stay etc, a mere 46K + !
Wishing you positive variance!
December 12th, 2012 at 8:13:01 PM
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" But, as the Wizard said, if asked, I will answer with the correct basic strategy play "
Since EvenBob is not here, I must ask. Do you have to look at a BS card first ??
Since EvenBob is not here, I must ask. Do you have to look at a BS card first ??
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
December 12th, 2012 at 8:17:39 PM
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Quote: Buzzard" But, as the Wizard said, if asked, I will answer with the correct basic strategy play "
Since EvenBob is not here, I must ask. Do you have to look at a BS card first ??
Any reason you are trying to put me down?
December 12th, 2012 at 8:19:40 PM
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Yeah, it's late and I did not have a nap. Come on, don't blame me for Revel. And I said Bob made me do it .
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
December 12th, 2012 at 8:25:18 PM
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Quote: BuzzardYeah, it's late and I did not have a nap. Come on, don't blame me for Revel. And I said Bob made me do it .
A nap? And a reference to BOB?? -
WHEN the last time you discussed anything gambling-related with anything relevant at this forum.
Is Buzzard really helping this gambling board?
Or is he dragging it down as a long-standing troll?
Can someone talk to him?
He is absolutely not gambling related, for the most part, and his only posts just fire darts.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
December 12th, 2012 at 8:32:24 PM
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" Who won the Raving's 2012 Best Table Game? " Nothing gambling related there I guess either. If my post offend you, don't respond. I will do the same for you Mister Lubin. Feel better now ?
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
December 12th, 2012 at 8:34:29 PM
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Quote: Buzzard" Who won the Raving's 2012 Best Table Game? " Nothing gambling related there I guess either. If my post offend you, don't respond. I will do the same for you Mister Lubin. Feel better now ?
Your posts do not offend me, Charles.
Your posting health, and lack of real gambling contributions do.
People are concerned.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
December 12th, 2012 at 8:42:00 PM
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To whom it may concern, and no one in particular. I will leave when the Wiz request me too. I will honor a certain person's request.
I not reply to his post. I will not post on any thread started by him. fair enough ! Good night, all.
I not reply to his post. I will not post on any thread started by him. fair enough ! Good night, all.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
December 12th, 2012 at 8:50:13 PM
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Quote: BuzzardYeah, it's late and I did not have a nap. Come on, don't blame me for Revel. And I said Bob made me do it .
Where/when did I ever blame you for anything?
December 12th, 2012 at 9:08:06 PM
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Quote: BuzzardTo whom it may concern, and no one in particular. I will leave when the Wiz request me too. I will honor a certain person's request.
I not reply to his post. I will not post on any thread started by him. fair enough ! Good night, all.
Buzz, Charles - it is important that you contribute on gambling, - and to not be a mere "two-sentence dart-throwing" instigator on a thread. Utterly My Opinion, but I will say it, as a concern.
If you have some strong gambling debate arguments, then yes, very fine, you can be forcefull, - but to pop your head up here and there just to throw a dart - is less cool to do.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
December 13th, 2012 at 3:30:37 AM
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Quote: BuzzardI am not the one who said it is a player's responsibility to catch cheaters.
On a more sane note, bills starting to trickle in for my heart attack. About 6k in minor, ER docs, lab work, etc.
The big one for putting stint in, 2 day stay etc, a mere 46K + !
How much are you on the hook for? It's probably too early to know as these things can take months to reconcile.
While it may be correct to call that device a stint in some circles I have never heard it used by hospitals, medical personnel or insurance companies. Do yours use that terminology?
During your stint at the hospital doctors installed a stent.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
December 13th, 2012 at 1:41:46 PM
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I stand corrected. It is a stent. One reason I took early retirement offer 12 years ago was becasue medical benefits were guaranteed, and I doubted that would be the case next contract.
They did raise my premium to $10 in 2013. Wife is diabetic and bi-polar, wanted to lock in med benefits for her.
Of the 6 grand I have to pay $0. Of the 46 grand I have to pay $53. Talk about ducking a bullet !
They did raise my premium to $10 in 2013. Wife is diabetic and bi-polar, wanted to lock in med benefits for her.
Of the 6 grand I have to pay $0. Of the 46 grand I have to pay $53. Talk about ducking a bullet !
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
December 13th, 2012 at 1:50:14 PM
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Good for you. Having good insurance is like winning the lottery! I hope you only need it for the routine stuff.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
