Djatc ' s big hands, big...whatever
Quote: IbeatyouracesAfter the fact yes but before any cards are dealt, no.
Yeah, that's what I meant. After the fact is questionable in a deuces wild game too because you throw away Ace thru Ten cards a lot.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI thought the chances of being dealt a royal increase after the initial five dealt cards are discarded?
It depends on whether or not you threw away a ten, ace or a face card in the first hand. In DW you wouldn't keep, say 10, A unsuited. That cuts the chances of a royal by half, no?
Quote: IbeatyouracesThere was a thread a while back where JB did the odds for JoB I believe. I don't remember if DW was done though. I think there are a lot more throw away hands in DW compared to JoB.
Mike had answered an "Ask the Wizard" question over this using FPDW, but he failed to use scientific notation for after the draw for this. The after draw probability of hitting it according to him was 0.0000014 = ~1 in 710,000. That would be slightly worse than a dealt royal. And the probability of tossing all 5 card in FPDW is less than 20%. Hence, the more than 5 times less likely probability.
https://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/video-poker/probability/
Other then that I've been wonging Ultimate X machines. The ones at Palms never leave a multiplier for some reason. I am the bum that always checks multipliers in the high limit area lol.
Quote: RogerKintThe 1-5c Ultimate X slant tops, near the FPDW, often have abandoned multipliers if you should get desperate enough.
What kind of paytables is Palms offering for these? I don't think I have seen better than 8/5 DDB or 6/5 Bonus for nickels yet..
Quote: RogerKintI always get killed on those 50-play machines when cashing out my rebate. Last weekend, my girlfriend and I were about to check the Palms HL room for multipliers when we saw someone else already doing so. That might explain why you can find any. The 1-5c Ultimate X slant tops, near the FPDW, often have abandoned multipliers if you should get desperate enough.
What exactly do you mean "checking the game for multipliers"?
Quote: IAchance5What exactly do you mean "checking the game for multipliers"?
Ultimate X is a video poker variant where they award multipliers for the next hand based on wins for the current hand. You typically pay an extra 5 credits/hand for this feature. However, the multipliers will never leave the machine until someone plays them off, so you can wager the normal 5 credits/hand to "play off the multipliers" on a machine where someone else abandoned them and those multipliers make that one round of video poker +EV.
Quote: tringlomaneUltimate X is a video poker variant where they award multipliers for the next hand based on wins for the current hand. You typically pay an extra 5 credits/hand for this feature. However, the multipliers will never leave the machine until someone plays them off, so you can wager the normal 5 credits/hand to "play off the multipliers" on a machine where someone else abandoned them and those multipliers make that one round of video poker +EV.
Are the multipliers hard to see on the screen? Why would someone leave the game if they knew there was a multiplier on the next hand?
Quote: IAchance5Are the multipliers hard to see on the screen? Why would someone leave the game if they knew there was a multiplier on the next hand?
Not really. People are mostly dumb. Or in some cases, people may have gambled their last dollar away and they don't have a big enough amount left to cover all the hands.
Quote: tringlomaneWhat kind of paytables is Palms offering for these? I don't think I have seen better than 8/5 DDB or 6/5 Bonus for nickels yet..
I'm no help there. I've just noticed the active multipliers while passing by.
Quote: djatcJust wonged a 10x DDB Ultimate X by the FPDW machine... made like 3 bucks lol.
Nice! Put it in the bus ticket fund!
Quote: Ibeatyouraces1 in 649,740.
So is that the odds of being dealt a royal right out of the gate?
Quote: IAchance5So is that the odds of being dealt a royal right out of the gate?
Yes, 4 Royal flushes divided by all the ways you can be dealt 5 cards out of 52:
(52*51*50*49*48) / (5*4*3*2*1) = 2,598,960
4/2,598,960 = 1 in 649,740
But if you're playing Joker Poker then it becomes:
(53*52*51*50*49) / (5*4*3*2*1) = 2,869,685 possible deals
Probability of dealt natural royal:
4/2,869,685 = 1 in 717,421.25
Quote: teddysOf course it was on quarters with a small progressive ($1,136). Would rather have gotten it on the dollar progressive or ten-play, but can't complain :P
And no W-2G! Nice hit!
Quote: teddysI think I got a dealt royal the other day. I was playing my usual speed (fast) and all of sudden the five royal cards came up in clubs. For the life of me I couldn't tell if it was dealt or on the redeal, I was playing so quickly. The cards all said "held" above them. Does it only do that on a dealt royal, or on the redeal too? I guess I may have gotten my first dealt royal. Of course it was on quarters with a small progressive ($1,136). Would rather have gotten it on the dollar progressive or ten-play, but can't complain :P
Probably a dealt royal. Page 5 of this thread has a picture of a throw away royal with no "hold" above the cards. Congrats!
I'm saving my next dealt royal for the $5 5-play I'll be doing in a couple weeks.
Quote: tringlomaneNot really. People are mostly dumb.
I agree that some people just don't think/don't use their brains... I honestly believe that average players used to assume that the multipliers would be there (either from their last play or from the next person's) when they would return for their next session. ...Until the multipliers weren't there. It seems that one reason there are fewer and fewer multipliers left on my Ultimate X "hawk-ing" route is that some of these average Joe's and Joan's are realizing that the multipliers can be played off before they leave, so they are doing so now as they wrap up a session.
Quote: tringlomaneOr in some cases, people may have gambled their last dollar away and they don't have a big enough amount left to cover all the hands.
I've wondered the same thing myself. My initial though was that if there are multipliers, then there was some sort of win on the last hand, and the player should have been able to continue. But then I realized if I had just enough for one more bet and I hit pay pairs and/or two pairs all the way up without much of a multiplier carrying over from the previous hand, then my next hand would have 2X on each hand, but I would likely be short of another max bet. And it seems that the average player strictly plays max.
Sorry about this being off topic!
Quote: djatcGot this dealt (my first one!)
Awesome hit djatc! I recently got dealt a wheel (A-2-3-4-5) of hearts. ...Too bad I was playing NSUD! lol And, yes, it was natural!
Quote: djatcSo begins the hunt for the next one....
Edit to fix my parenthetic quotes!
Observe the great white as he hunts for his next meal ...never stopping ...never resting ...always on the move! Go get 'em djatc and keep us posted! I've enjoyed your blog...
Quote: djatcDon't you hate AKQJ9s?
Yes! In any game! Even worse is AQJT9s to me! Getting visions... A_ _ _9u especially kills me in Pick 'Em! Five high cards and not a pair or straight in sight!
Quote: kewljEl Cortez has or had an ATM promotion where they geve you back 5% of your atm withdrawl in free play, maximum amount $50 per month ($1000 ATM withdrawl).
No requirement that you had to play any amount or anything, just a flat 5% of ATM withdrawl from their machine. Now their ATM did have a $3.50 charge, but I was willing to eat that. :)
I have actually taken a little break from playing and haven't even been downtown in the last month, so I can't say for sure that this promo is still going.
So do people withdraw $500 one day, deposit the next day at a local bank, and then withdraw another $500 the next day? Seems like a pretty easy way to make $40 a month after the ATM and bank fees without spending any money.
Quote: IbeatyouracesA royal on the board recently happened in the $10k Main Event. You can see the picture at WSOP.com.
More direct link:
http://www.pokernews.com/live-reporting/2013-world-series-of-poker/event-62-10-000-no-limit-hold-em-main-event/post.220626.htm
Considering how much poker has been played at the WSOP since Moneymaker, I wonder if this is actually the first occurrence of it happening there.
Quote: IAchance5Are the multipliers hard to see on the screen? Why would someone leave the game if they knew there was a multiplier on the next hand?
Last time I was at Caesars in the high limit room a player ran out of money with multipliers showing. He went around to other players in the room to tell them about it and I think what he was hoping for was that someone would play, hit and cut him in on a jackpot.
I almost went over to the machine, but I was having a good run on the machine I was on and didnt want to leave.
Quote: deanandmariaWith all due respect, if I'm going to get a Royal in Five cards, I'm hoping it's while I'm sitting at a Let it Ride or Mississippi Stud table.
Generally Mississippi Stud pays much more for the Royal than LIR. It's not about the 1000:1 or 500:1, it's the maximum payout limit.
Quote: djatcThis next one is taking a while.... I feel a monster session coming soon. Maybe a 2-fer if endurance permits.
How many hands u generally putting in a day at the moment?
Quote: knaglI got the surprise of my VP career a few weeks ago at the Golden Nugget in Las Vegas. Playing a crummy paytable DDB at the bar (it was late, I had a couple of cocktails, forgive me), five beautiful cards popped up, followed very quickly by five "HOLD" indicators over the cards:
You are forgiven, but only because it was a chivalrous royal - ladies first! lol
Quote: camaplYou are forgiven, but only because it was a chivalrous royal - ladies first! lol
Awesome! I love these unexpected royals because it happens less frequently then 2 or 3 to a royals that it's like getting paid extra on a paycheck or something.
Quote: Ibeatyouraces"crummy" is a generous word for that paytable. But nice hit anyway!
Indeed. Thanks!
In my defense, aside from that machine I was playing 99.x+% VP games all trip (and hit another Royal that trip, too, holding four cards and getting the needed 5th). It wound up being a really good trip!
Quote: pokerfaceGenerally Mississippi Stud pays much more for the Royal than LIR. It's not about the 1000:1 or 500:1, it's the maximum payout limit.
My son hit a royal at Mississippi Stud at Commerce Casino in LA. The max payout there is $20,000 per SEAT. He was actually betting $100 chips, so he severely OVERPAID for the royal.
At Rincon the max payout is $50,000 for the TABLE. So at Rincon it doesnt make sense to bet more than $10 units.
A couple of weeks ago Caesars Palace added Mississippi Stud with a $50,000 max payout, $5 minimum units.
Quote: teddysI think I got a dealt royal the other day. I was playing my usual speed (fast) and all of sudden the five royal cards came up in clubs. For the life of me I couldn't tell if it was dealt or on the redeal, I was playing so quickly. The cards all said "held" above them. Does it only do that on a dealt royal, or on the redeal too? I guess I may have gotten my first dealt royal. Of course it was on quarters with a small progressive ($1,136). Would rather have gotten it on the dollar progressive or ten-play, but can't complain :P
I think it was dealt. The "held" sign does not appear on the draw cards. Look at any of the photos of the royals here with draw cards -- there is no "held" above the draws.
Quote: djatcIt's been a while..... yup here is my biggest:
It HAS been a while
Congrats on the $1 Royal.
Stepped down from FPDW to NSUD, I see.
Quote: djatcIt's been a while..... yup here is my biggest:
Congrats on your big hit.
Quote: ClarkWGriswoldIt HAS been a while
Congrats on the $1 Royal.
Stepped down from FPDW to NSUD, I see.
I am overroyaled (5 or 6 within 1 cycle), and I figured it wouldn't be interesting to put up quarter royals anymore. This was hit because I was chasing a promotion and took a shot with some extra money. Now I will be paying off the car :)
Quote: djatcI am overroyaled (5 or 6 within 1 cycle), and I figured it wouldn't be interesting to put up quarter royals anymore. This was hit because I was chasing a promotion and took a shot with some extra money. Now I will be paying off the car :)
Lucky SOB, figures you would post a Royal on the first day I made it back to a casino since Vegas (22 days, that's disclipline! haha). I also chased a promo today and had 40/10/6 DDB spin poker for quarters at my disposal while trying to do it. Fail. Still have yet to even have a nickel royal...blah Even failed taking a good pic on my new "smartphone" for a decent hit, but I can text for free now, yay! lol
Quote: tringlomaneLucky SOB, figures you would post a Royal on the first day I made it back to a casino since Vegas (22 days, that's disclipline! haha). I also chased a promo today and had 40/10/6 DDB spin poker for quarters at my disposal while trying to do it. Fail. Still have yet to even have a nickel royal...blah Even failed taking a good pic on my new "smartphone" for a decent hit, but I can text for free now, yay! lol
I thought I had wasted my good fortune hitting a nickel royal when I was killing time.... but then 2 quarter ones came then this dollar one. It'll be a long time before a $2 or $5 rears its head.
