thoughts on my craps system

real simple
hit the 6 or 8 (place bets) six times before thirt-three 7 out
$2000 bankroll
ill start off with $30 ea on the 6 & 8 (place bets)
full press the number that hits
ill do it till one of the two numbers win 6 times
starts over if its a 7 out
off on the come out roll
if the point is a 6/8 do not remove it

bet win
$30 $35 +$1
36 42
78 91 -$1
168 196 +$2
366 427 -$1
792 924

win 1687 + the other bet
subract $60x rolls that didnt hit

A better system is to play pass with 100x odds... (EDIT) *that should say pass, but even better, don't pass*

But as far as systems go, at least yours doesn't use a bet with too high of a house edge.

thanks for the comment
the system you mention needs a
big bankroll and take forever to
win 50% of the starting money

Quote: ottogtr

thanks for the comment
the system you mention needs a
big bankroll and take forever to
win 50% of the starting money

it does take a big bankroll. If it is working you should be able to press your bets, though.

here is a table of HE divided by Variance, which is at least a clue as to where various negative expectation bets sit as to trying to make variance work for you (see thread)

I added the place 6/8 which is roughly the same as the PL from this persective.

Bet	HE/Variance
Craps PL	-0.0141
Pai Gow Poker	-0.02596
Baccarat Banker	-0.012256
Baccarat Player	-0.01374
Any Craps	-0.0176
Pass w 3x4x5x	-0.002211
Don't Pass w 3x4x5x	-0.002825
Place 6 or 8	-0.013

Quote: ottogtr

real simple
hit the 6 or 8 (place bets) six times before thirt-three 7 out
$2000 bankroll
ill start off with $30 ea on the 6 & 8 (place bets)

full press the number that hits

ill do it till one of the two numbers win 6 times
starts over if its a 7 out
off on the come out roll
if the point is a 6/8 do not remove it

bet win
$30 $35 +$1
36 42
78 91 -$1
168 196 +$2
366 427 -$1
792 924

win 1687 + the other bet
subract $60x rolls that didnt hit

1. I see no reason why the bets are off on the come out roll. The dice do not even know it is the come out roll.
You need 6 wins in a row. That is difficult enough without limiting your rolls.

2. Full press? Your second bet then should be $66 after a first win. Yes? A classic power press move.

edit added: my simulations shows ~42% of sessions with a $2k bankroll will have a streak of 6 - 6s or 8s and with power pressing up to a $300 bet, then press to $600 and $1200 and showing a profit.
~20% of the sessions ended with a profit around $1000 because the winning run took place after the bankroll was already negative.

Of course your losing sessions, (and I only played 10,000 of them total) are more than winning sessions and overall you lose around 1.52% of the total handle that you make. No surprise there.

Quote: ottogtr

real simple
hit the 6 or 8 (place bets) six times before thirt-three 7 out
$2000 bankroll
ill start off with $30 ea on the 6 & 8 (place bets)
full press the number that hits
ill do it till one of the two numbers win 6 times
starts over if its a 7 out
off on the come out roll
if the point is a 6/8 do not remove it

bet win
$30 $35 +$1
36 42
78 91 -$1
168 196 +$2
366 427 -$1
792 924

win 1687 + the other bet
subract $60x rolls that didnt hit

I'm assuming you're talking about a bankroll MANAGEMENT technique... you're not expecting to make money in the long run?? Just curious, because I only read the system posts to try to figure out how I'm going to make a million dollars playing a negative expectation game.