EvenBob
September 11th, 2022 at 8:43:58 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfI just want to clarify. You make one bet in which you will profit one unit 80% of the time?
80% has nothing to do with anything, my goal is to make one unit per session. 20% of the time I'm wrong and I have to keep playing till I make one unit. Many many many times I see if I had kept playing I would have won but that's not my goal. I'm not a gambler, greed never enters into what I do. I have a plan and a goal and I stick to it. It's like going to an all-you-can-eat buffet; just because you could eat as much as you possibly want does not mean that's a good plan.
Quote: AxelWolfif something like this was possible I would have a program written
Several people who know how to write such programs have admitted that it would be very difficult to write a program for this. It would take a lot of time to get it right if you could ever get it right. There are no hard-and-fast rules such as if A happens and B happens you should always bet on C. Everything is a matter of personal judgment and educated guessing.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 11th, 2022 at 8:46:23 PM
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Quote: MDawg
Is your system based on expecting the ball to land in a certain section or quadrant of the wheel?
I am not a section bettor and know nothing about it nor am I interested in it.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 11th, 2022 at 8:55:25 PM
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Quote: darkoz
How could he determine that when he says he only observes for three minutes?
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I can do it in three minutes because after I write the outcomes down in a very specific way I can tell almost immediately if it's playing my game. This is because I have years of experience doing this. After playing thousands of sessions with actual outcomes it kind of becomes second nature. Roulette is a very hard game to beat and it's even harder if you continue to lie look to make a rule based system which is what most people do. It can never be done because random outcomes do not follow any rules. The only reason my way works is because there is such a limited number of outcomes. If the wheel had 70 pockets there's no way I could do this but it only has 36 actual numbers if you discount the zeros. There is a huge number of possible outcome combinations even with 36 numbers but fortunately there are only a handful that keep repeating over and over and over. Well it's more than a handful but it's not all that many.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 11th, 2022 at 9:38:20 PM
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The real question is the next one.
When you win, it's one unit and you stop and That's 80% of the time. That's what you claim.
How many units do you lose when you don't win the other 20% of the time?
When you win, it's one unit and you stop and That's 80% of the time. That's what you claim.
How many units do you lose when you don't win the other 20% of the time?
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 11th, 2022 at 11:51:34 PM
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Quote: darkoz
When you win, it's one unit and you stop and That's 80% of the time. That's what you claim.
That's not what I claim at all. I play to make one unit and stop. Forget the 80%, forget I ever said I have an eighty percent hit rate. I play to make one unit per session, no matter how many bets I have to make I stop when I'm one unit ahead. This really isn't that hard to understand. Sometimes I lose on the 1st bet and I have to wait for another opportunity and bet again and keep playing until I'm one unit ahead which usually doesn't take very long.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 12th, 2022 at 12:24:16 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkoz
When you win, it's one unit and you stop and That's 80% of the time. That's what you claim.
That's not what I claim at all. I play to make one unit and stop.
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20% of the time I'm wrong and I have to keep playing till I make one unit.
So to be clear you aren't claiming you win 80% of the time.
You are claiming you win 100% of the time. 80% of the time you win on the very first spin but 20% of the time you lose the first spin and keep playing until you eventually profit one unit for a 100% success rate?
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 12th, 2022 at 12:34:47 AM
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Quote: darkoz
You are claiming you win 100% of the time.
Because I only bet when the outcomes are playing my specific game and I know they're playing my game because I play virtually before I ever make a real bet. Get in get it done get out. It's the only way to play if you're serious. If you are playing for entertainment reasons or because you enjoy the action you probably have a gambling problem. When I make my one unit I shut it down and I can do this because I know I can start it up again anytime I want. In a brick-and-mortar casino you get hit with the greed factor, better make as much as you can because next time you play it might not be playing your game. I don't have to deal with that at home because at home I'm living in a casino. It's 3:30 a.m. here and I just got done playing a session at Golden Nugget in my pajamas in bed. Guess how it went.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 12th, 2022 at 1:16:03 AM
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Please put yourself in the shoes of advantage players, math guys, and logical thinkers. If someone else told you that's how they beat the casinos, you would be shaking your head.Quote: EvenBobEverything is a matter of personal judgment and educated guessing.
Everything you said screams betting SYSTEM, just one with no set rules, other than stopping when you are ahead one a unit.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 12th, 2022 at 1:27:53 AM
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Is it possible this is a 12 year troll account? If not, do forum members have a moral obligation to intervene and help him (due to his longstanding presence here)? Because we all know how this ends otherwise.
Online gambling changed my life too (bonus hustling, sports betting, etc), but it saddens me how accessible it's become to the general public. There are probably thousands of people chasing losses at this very moment while their significant other sleeps next to them.
1-800-270-7117 is the Michigan helpline if you or anyone else needs it.
Online gambling changed my life too (bonus hustling, sports betting, etc), but it saddens me how accessible it's become to the general public. There are probably thousands of people chasing losses at this very moment while their significant other sleeps next to them.
1-800-270-7117 is the Michigan helpline if you or anyone else needs it.
September 12th, 2022 at 1:34:52 AM
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Quote: EvenBobForget the 80%, forget I ever said I have an eighty percent hit rate.
Well, why did you say it? It's a fairly important aspect. It's the main element in your returning declaration regarding your system(I know you like to think it's a method). I can't believe that was just a Faux pas. I can believe that you have come to realize just how impossibly ridiculous it sounds.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 12th, 2022 at 1:37:49 AM
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IIRC Bob has told us his wife sleeps in an entirely different house.Quote: WigginsThere are probably thousands of people chasing losses at this very moment while their significant other sleeps next to them.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 12th, 2022 at 1:39:21 AM
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Quote: AxelWolf
Everything you said screams betting SYSTEM,
It's a method not a system, absolutely nothing systematic about it. In fact it's the polar opposite of a system.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 12th, 2022 at 1:42:29 AM
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Ok have it your way. It's your guessing method.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolf
Everything you said screams betting SYSTEM,
It's a method not a system, absolutely nothing systematic about it. In fact it's the polar opposite of a system.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 12th, 2022 at 1:42:52 AM
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Quote: AxelWolf
Well, why did you say it? It's a fairly important aspect.
Seriously? You do not understand the context of that post? Do I have to explain everything to everybody around here?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 12th, 2022 at 1:45:49 AM
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IIRC Bob has told us his wife seeps in an entirely different house.Quote: AxelWolf
We live in separate houses and have for 20 years. My State Farm Insurance agent says this is extremely common now for married couples to have separate residences if they can afford it. Works for me, you get the best of both worlds. Unless your wife is your live-in slave and does all the household chores so you don't have to. If that's the case then you've married to your mother not your wife.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 12th, 2022 at 1:47:01 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfOk have it your way. It's your guessing method.
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That's exactly what it is.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 12th, 2022 at 1:47:45 AM
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Probably. But for now, I just want to know why you said you get an 80% hit rate, but now you want us to just forget you said that.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolf
Well, why did you say it? It's a fairly important aspect.
Seriously? You do not understand the context of that post? Do I have to explain everything to everybody around here?
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 12th, 2022 at 1:52:11 AM
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Hey, whatever works.Quote: EvenBob
We live in separate houses and have for 20 years. My State Farm Insurance agent says this is extremely common now for married couples to have separate residences if they can afford it. Works for me, you get the best of both worlds. Unless your wife is your live-in slave and does all the household chores so you don't have to. If that's the case then you've married to your mother not your wife.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 12th, 2022 at 1:57:20 AM
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Quote: Wiggins
1-800-270-7117 is the Michigan helpline if you or anyone else needs it.
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LOLOL! People have been saying condescending crap like this to me online for 15 years, it's hilarious that you actually took the time to look up the number to make you're condescending comment. I never chase losses because I have no losses, duh. In the late eighteen hundreds there was a hospital doctor in England who discovered that if he washed his hands in between surgeries his patients got less sick. When he told this news to his fellow doctors they laughed at him and mocked him and eventually drove him out of the business and got him locked into a mental institution for the rest of his life. That's an extreme example of what you're doing here. You have no conception of what I'm doing so you naturally assume that there's something wrong with me mentally and I need professional help. Why don't you call the phone number, you probably need it more than I do.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 12th, 2022 at 2:08:02 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfBut for now, I just want to know why you said you get an 80% hit rate, but now you want us to just forget you said that.
He obviously didn't know the point I was trying to make so in that particular post in that particular instance he should forget about the 80% hit rate and concentrate on the fact that I only want to make one unit a session. The fact that I have an eighty percent hit rate is irrelevant to the fact that I want to make one unit. It's a nice perk, but it has nothing to do with my goal. You will find this hard to believe but when I first discovered Roulette in 2004 I realized even then making one unit a session was the ultimate goal of the game. Making a win and leaving. It's like deer hunting. When I used to hunt my goal was not to shoot as many deer as possible, which is illegal anyway. My goal was to shoot one deer and quit. Shooting more than I need is insane. The same applies to gambling, the greed tells you to make as much as you possibly can. Which is just as insane and is the downfall of most gamblers.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 12th, 2022 at 2:19:02 AM
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Quote: AxelWolf[ Hey, whatever works.
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My State Farm agent tells me that not only are married couples living in separate residences they're living in separate cities. The kids are grown and gone, they have good paying jobs in separate cities so they own real estate in separate places. Ever hear the phrase, absence makes the heart grow fonder? There's nothing that can kill the intimacy of relationship faster then too much contact. Cary Grant was married four times and he said the major problem of marriage is it's dailiness. You wake up with the person, have breakfast with them, have dinner with them and spend the night with them, every single night of the year. I don't do that. I sometimes go weeks without seeing my wife in person but we stay in contact everyday. When I do see her it's delightful. When's the last time you described seeing your wife as delightful.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 12th, 2022 at 2:36:10 AM
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Thread Renamed and moved to a more appropriate subforum.
I know EvenBob calls it a 'method' rather than a 'system', but we don't have a 'Betting Method's' subforum.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolf
Everything you said screams betting SYSTEM,
It's a method not a system, absolutely nothing systematic about it. In fact it's the polar opposite of a system.
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I know EvenBob calls it a 'method' rather than a 'system', but we don't have a 'Betting Method's' subforum.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 12th, 2022 at 2:44:00 AM
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Quote: OnceDear
I know EvenBob calls it a 'method' rather than a 'system', but we don't have a 'Betting Method's' subforum.
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Thanks for backing off and saying that you were not only not going to read this thread but you were not going to
moderate it. Good job of keeping your word.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 12th, 2022 at 2:45:51 AM
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I feel I need to state that I believe EB's strategy of trying to win just one unit per session is a sensible one for various reasons
if somebody were to say "if I do that then I'm not going to win enough $$$" - that is not necessarily true - because they can vary the amounts of their bets
I'm not going to make any further comments about other parts of his claims
I have recently begun to do a similar thing betting horses
I make only 1 bet per week - on Saturdays - on the highest level of race there is - which is called Grade 1 - because there are usually some extremely consistent horses in these high level races - and looking for consistency is part of my strategy - not interested in horses that win and in the next race finish 7th
I'm not going to make any remarks about my hit rate or profitability other than to say that my R.O.I. has improved dramatically since I have done this
and I don't find it to be any less fun than when I was making a great many bets
so, to summarize - imo - there is some value in what EB is posting
this strategy is obviously not going to be for everybody - not everybody could enjoy their gambling experience making so few bets
but for some, at least a few, it may be useful - if playing a minus EV game, of course, the less exposure there is to the HA the better off the player is
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I feel I need to state that I believe EB's strategy of trying to win just one unit per session is a sensible one for various reasons
if somebody were to say "if I do that then I'm not going to win enough $$$" - that is not necessarily true - because they can vary the amounts of their bets
I'm not going to make any further comments about other parts of his claims
I have recently begun to do a similar thing betting horses
I make only 1 bet per week - on Saturdays - on the highest level of race there is - which is called Grade 1 - because there are usually some extremely consistent horses in these high level races - and looking for consistency is part of my strategy - not interested in horses that win and in the next race finish 7th
I'm not going to make any remarks about my hit rate or profitability other than to say that my R.O.I. has improved dramatically since I have done this
and I don't find it to be any less fun than when I was making a great many bets
so, to summarize - imo - there is some value in what EB is posting
this strategy is obviously not going to be for everybody - not everybody could enjoy their gambling experience making so few bets
but for some, at least a few, it may be useful - if playing a minus EV game, of course, the less exposure there is to the HA the better off the player is
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 12th, 2022 at 3:31:43 AM
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Quote: EvenBob<snip>There is a huge number of possible outcome combinations even with 36 numbers but fortunately there are only a handful that keep repeating over and over and over. Well it's more than a handful but it's not all that many.
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EvenBob,
Will you provide an example of one of these repeating sequences?
Dog Hand
September 12th, 2022 at 3:49:01 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDear
I know EvenBob calls it a 'method' rather than a 'system', but we don't have a 'Betting Method's' subforum.
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Thanks for backing off and saying that you were not only not going to read this thread but you were not going to
moderate it. Good job of keeping your word.
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I distinguish Administrating (e.g. renaming threads) from Moderating (E.g. Suspending trolls)
As to reading the thread: It didn't take much effort to confirm that the thread was mis-named and in the wrong sub-forum.
If you think I didn't keep my word, compare and contrast to the guy that said Buh Bye
Have fun in your thread. If you want minor tweaks to it's name or anything else, PM me.... Or a moderator of your choosing.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 12th, 2022 at 6:06:37 AM
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I don't believe a word of his "method" actually working, but I also really don't care.
Good luck Bob, I hope you continue to beat the casino.
Good luck Bob, I hope you continue to beat the casino.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
September 12th, 2022 at 6:36:04 AM
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Quote: EvenBob*SNIP* Everything is a matter of personal judgment and educated guessing.
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So you are gambling?
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
September 12th, 2022 at 7:24:51 AM
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Quote: OnceDearQuote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDear
I know EvenBob calls it a 'method' rather than a 'system', but we don't have a 'Betting Method's' subforum.
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Thanks for backing off and saying that you were not only not going to read this thread but you were not going to
moderate it. Good job of keeping your word.
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I distinguish Administrating (e.g. renaming threads) from Moderating (E.g. Suspending trolls)
As to reading the thread: It didn't take much effort to confirm that the thread was mis-named and in the wrong sub-forum.
If you think I didn't keep my word, compare and contrast to the guy that said Buh Bye
Have fun in your thread. If you want minor tweaks to it's name or anything else, PM me.... Or a moderator of your choosing.
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I agree with EvenBob. You posted in this thread and expressed animosity towards EvenBob and said that you were not going to read this thread and certainly not going to moderate it. I then announced that I would read this thread and moderate it, and Dieter has also been reading it and moderating it. You have now gone rogue and placed the thread in a betting system thread where it does not belong without talking to me and apparently without talking to anyone else.
This forum is not a vehicle for you to exercise a campaign against people you have expressed animosity towards. I am publicly asking you to keep your hands off this thread, as you said you would.
And I am happy to accept a rebuke or suspension for criticizing a fellow administrator/moderator, which is an unwritten rule. Because that rule allows rogue moderators to be defiant and run amok.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
September 12th, 2022 at 8:17:17 AM
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Quote: gordonm888Quote: OnceDearQuote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDear
I know EvenBob calls it a 'method' rather than a 'system', but we don't have a 'Betting Method's' subforum.
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Thanks for backing off and saying that you were not only not going to read this thread but you were not going to
moderate it. Good job of keeping your word.
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I distinguish Administrating (e.g. renaming threads) from Moderating (E.g. Suspending trolls)
As to reading the thread: It didn't take much effort to confirm that the thread was mis-named and in the wrong sub-forum.
If you think I didn't keep my word, compare and contrast to the guy that said Buh Bye
Have fun in your thread. If you want minor tweaks to it's name or anything else, PM me.... Or a moderator of your choosing.
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I agree with EvenBob. You posted in this thread and expressed animosity towards EvenBob and said that you were not going to read this thread and certainly not going to moderate it. I then announced that I would read this thread and moderate it, and Dieter has also been reading it and moderating it. You have now gone rogue and placed the thread in a betting system thread where it does not belong without talking to me and apparently without talking to anyone else.
This forum is not a vehicle for you to exercise a campaign against people you have expressed animosity towards. I am publicly asking you to keep your hands off this thread, as you said you would.
And I am happy to accept a rebuke or suspension for criticizing a fellow administrator/moderator, which is an unwritten rule. Because that rule allows rogue moderators to be defiant and run amok.
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Yowza! I think you both should self suspend for 3 days. Then this thread can go ‘unmoderated’ or ‘unadministrated’ for those 3 days!
I really think OnceDear was in his rights to change his mind for the obvious good of the forum. The claims made here are actually MORE ridiculous than the 18 yo’s in a row claim.
In summary, the claim is…. ‘I have beaten online roulette across multiple platforms 100% of the time, and know I can repeat it in perpetuity..’.
And this is allowed? Gordon, please explain to me how THIS ENTIRE THREAD is not trolling?
September 12th, 2022 at 8:54:08 AM
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SooPoo, this is a casino play site, and I am sure Wizard knew what sort of content EvenBob would contribute once he returned. EvenBob did not cease with these sorts of posts while away, and he's not going to cease with them now. I really don't understand why it's so important to comment in terms of "I don't believe it" more than once, some people here make it their life's work. I also don't think it's right to keep referring to Alan's 18 yo's in the context of being the gold standard for unbelievability.
A high school teacher of mine used to say that in the context of marital disputes once an issue, fight, whatever has passed a certain age (a week, two, whatever), it is off limits and not to be brought up again. I'd say the same should apply within whatever reasonable time limits to dredging up the "I don't believe it" repetitions with reference to a forum member's claims, especially when no one ever established that what Alan said was not true. Or is that why some people keep bringing it up, because Alan never contended that he might be mistaken?
It was obvious to me that he plays until he wins the one unit and does it every time, I don't know why you thought otherwise. When I play, failure is not an option and I try to win every session too, although, I do have some losers, including some very big losing sessions. But in his case, I understood what he was saying.
If you’re not looking for the ball to fall in any particular quadrant or as you put it - sector - then where are you looking for the ball to fall in relation to your bets placed?
Or are you not looking or expecting the ball to fall any particular place as in particular area of the wheel?
A high school teacher of mine used to say that in the context of marital disputes once an issue, fight, whatever has passed a certain age (a week, two, whatever), it is off limits and not to be brought up again. I'd say the same should apply within whatever reasonable time limits to dredging up the "I don't believe it" repetitions with reference to a forum member's claims, especially when no one ever established that what Alan said was not true. Or is that why some people keep bringing it up, because Alan never contended that he might be mistaken?
Quote: darkozThe real question is the next one.
When you win, it's one unit and you stop and That's 80% of the time. That's what you claim.
How many units do you lose when you don't win the other 20% of the time?
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It was obvious to me that he plays until he wins the one unit and does it every time, I don't know why you thought otherwise. When I play, failure is not an option and I try to win every session too, although, I do have some losers, including some very big losing sessions. But in his case, I understood what he was saying.
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Is your system based on expecting the ball to land in a certain section or quadrant of the wheel?
I am not a section bettor and know nothing about it nor am I interested in it.
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If you’re not looking for the ball to fall in any particular quadrant or as you put it - sector - then where are you looking for the ball to fall in relation to your bets placed?
Or are you not looking or expecting the ball to fall any particular place as in particular area of the wheel?
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 12th, 2022 at 9:17:56 AM
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Quote: MDawgSooPoo, this is a casino play site, and I am sure Wizard knew what sort of content EvenBob would contribute once he returned. EvenBob did not cease with these sorts of posts while away, and he's not going to cease with them now. I really don't understand why it's so important to comment in terms of "I don't believe it" more than once, some people here make it their life's work. I also don't think it's right to keep referring to Alan's 18 yo's in the context of being the gold standard for unbelievability.
A high school teacher of mine used to say that in the context of marital disputes once an issue, fight, whatever has passed a certain age (a week, two, whatever), it is off limits and not to be brought up again. I'd say the same should apply within whatever reasonable time limits to dredging up the "I don't believe it" repetitions with reference to a forum member's claims, especially when no one ever established that what Alan said was not true. Or is that why some people keep bringing it up, because Alan never contended that he might be mistaken?Quote: darkozThe real question is the next one.
When you win, it's one unit and you stop and That's 80% of the time. That's what you claim.
How many units do you lose when you don't win the other 20% of the time?
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It was obvious to me that he plays until he wins the one unit and does it every time, I don't know why you thought otherwise. When I play, failure is not an option and I try to win every session too, although, I do have some losers, including some very big losing sessions. But in his case, I understood what he was saying.Quote: EvenBobQuote: MDawg
Is your system based on expecting the ball to land in a certain section or quadrant of the wheel?
I am not a section bettor and know nothing about it nor am I interested in it.
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If you’re not looking for the ball to fall in any particular quadrant or as you put it - sector - then where are you looking for the ball to fall in relation to your bets placed?
Or are you not looking or expecting the ball to fall any particular place as in particular area of the wheel?
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I disagree. I’m not married to EB. As long as he keeps reposting the silly claims of 80% hit rate, never lose, can tell by looking at patterns in roulette what to bet on, etc…. I will show the folly of his claims. And frankly, I think the 18 yo’s in a row claim is the PERFECT analogy for unbelievability! MDawg, this is a troll thread. Nothing more, nothing less. If you can’t see that it’s not my fault.
September 12th, 2022 at 9:35:08 AM
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OnceDear, here in this thread and in conversations with the moderators, has expressed his disgust with Wizard's decision to welcome EvenBob back. OD is waging a conflict with both Wizard and EB, and its pretty hard to stand by and countenance this kind of activity. IMO, OD should confront Wizard with his opinions and work out the issue privately.
This thread probably belongs in the roulette section. What EB has stated is that he uses a guessing (or hunch) methodology based on trying to observe patterns. This is what 90% of all the gamblers in the world do at one time or another. There is nothing wrong with that. This thread certainly does not belong in the betting systems thread. OD has expressed a highly negative view of system bettors and this is his way personal idiosyncratic way of disparaging EB as well as the thread.
OD did the same thing to me last year when I posted what i intended to be a polite and thoughtful analysis of the 18 yos claim (which I found to be implausible as has everyone else) - OD split my post and the subsequent posts into a separate thread and publicly mocked me for my polite and thoughtful tone. He came close to losing his job as moderator over that action and I have never forgiven him for what he did. This forum does not exist for moderators to abuse the members because they don't agree with them. Thread-splitting and moving and retitling threads as a means to express animus towards members is not an action I condone.
Again, I will accept whatever penalty Wizard determines for speaking out in public about this.
This thread probably belongs in the roulette section. What EB has stated is that he uses a guessing (or hunch) methodology based on trying to observe patterns. This is what 90% of all the gamblers in the world do at one time or another. There is nothing wrong with that. This thread certainly does not belong in the betting systems thread. OD has expressed a highly negative view of system bettors and this is his way personal idiosyncratic way of disparaging EB as well as the thread.
OD did the same thing to me last year when I posted what i intended to be a polite and thoughtful analysis of the 18 yos claim (which I found to be implausible as has everyone else) - OD split my post and the subsequent posts into a separate thread and publicly mocked me for my polite and thoughtful tone. He came close to losing his job as moderator over that action and I have never forgiven him for what he did. This forum does not exist for moderators to abuse the members because they don't agree with them. Thread-splitting and moving and retitling threads as a means to express animus towards members is not an action I condone.
Again, I will accept whatever penalty Wizard determines for speaking out in public about this.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
September 12th, 2022 at 9:42:14 AM
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I'm just trying to figure out step by step what he is doing. Or at least, what he is not doing.
As far as where this EB thread is placed - I don't use a betting system and yet my thread is in the betting system category. Doesn't bother me, doesn't even matter. It was part of an accommodation or two made to keep the thread visible.
As far as where this EB thread is placed - I don't use a betting system and yet my thread is in the betting system category. Doesn't bother me, doesn't even matter. It was part of an accommodation or two made to keep the thread visible.
Quote: MDawg
Quote: EvenBobQuote: MDawg
Is your system based on expecting the ball to land in a certain section or quadrant of the wheel?
I am not a section bettor and know nothing about it nor am I interested in it.
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If you’re not looking for the ball to fall in any particular quadrant or as you put it - sector - then where are you looking for the ball to fall in relation to your bets placed?
Or are you not looking or expecting the ball to fall any particular place as in particular area of the wheel?
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I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 12th, 2022 at 10:03:38 AM
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Quote: gordonm888OnceDear, here in this thread and in conversations with the moderators, has expressed his disgust with Wizard's decision to welcome EvenBob back.
I welcome Bob back as well. I there was a rule a out not likely occurrences, the 18 yo's thread would be gone, all the dice control/influence threads would be gone, half the I'm an AP threads would be gone and many more.
If you don't want to read hos content, block him. I wish more banned and/or missing people would come back.
ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
September 12th, 2022 at 10:11:06 AM
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EB’s return has led to drama and fighting amongst members in good standing?!
Who could have ever seen this coming?
Who could have ever seen this coming?
Ding Dong the Witch is Dead
September 12th, 2022 at 10:20:18 AM
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EB was always divisive and now he has even sewn discord amongst moderators.
EB has for years called true advantage Players liars.
In one of my threads (before the rule about calling someone a liar) his words were explicitly that I was a liar discussing my plays.
Interestingly I recall but am not going to look it up EB saying something to the effect that anyone with a true winning system wouldn't discuss it at all with anyone. Not even his own wife!
And here is EB discussing his own winning moves on an internet forum.
So nuff said!
EB has for years called true advantage Players liars.
In one of my threads (before the rule about calling someone a liar) his words were explicitly that I was a liar discussing my plays.
Interestingly I recall but am not going to look it up EB saying something to the effect that anyone with a true winning system wouldn't discuss it at all with anyone. Not even his own wife!
And here is EB discussing his own winning moves on an internet forum.
So nuff said!
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 12th, 2022 at 10:24:54 AM
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I believe EvenBob stated that you exaggerate, such as by adding zeros to your dollar claims and length of time you were homeless. A number of others here have expressed the same sort of feeling that you claim with imprecision. But did he actually say that you lie?
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 12th, 2022 at 10:30:41 AM
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If I were to claim I had an 80% hit rate, you better believe I could prove it both via math and in practice. I would even be willing to provided evidence to Mike or someone.
If im not willing to provide proof, I would just keep my mouth shut.
If im not willing to provide proof, I would just keep my mouth shut.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 12th, 2022 at 10:33:48 AM
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He wins 100% of his sessions, not 80%. Even I can't do that.
But anyway, if you would just let him answer systematic step by step questions we might know what he is doing, or thinks he is doing.
Look - how many would be willing to start an ASK ME ANYTHING no holds barred thread about whatever they are up to in the casinos? Would you? DarkOz? You're just assuming that he is up to nothing which is why he is willing to answer questions. And maybe you are right, but as long as he is willing to answer questions I'd like to keep asking.
But anyway, if you would just let him answer systematic step by step questions we might know what he is doing, or thinks he is doing.
Look - how many would be willing to start an ASK ME ANYTHING no holds barred thread about whatever they are up to in the casinos? Would you? DarkOz? You're just assuming that he is up to nothing which is why he is willing to answer questions. And maybe you are right, but as long as he is willing to answer questions I'd like to keep asking.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 12th, 2022 at 11:00:20 AM
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Agree totally with MDawg. This is a great thread.
Here are a couple questions of my own:
1) When you miss 20% of the time, so you find that you mis identified the pattern or just that the pattern to then was followed but you jumped in when it stopped and switched to something else?
2) How many identifiable patterns do you tend to see? How many possible patterns do you think there are? (Trying to derive a fraction of what’s possible vs what you tend to see repeat regularly.)
3) If you miss your first bet, do you play differently for the second bet, or do you wait just like you would for the first bet to find a new pattern?
4) Further to the above, if you tend to wait 10 (or however many spins) on average before a first bet, is it 10 (or however many spins) for subsequent bets or is it fewer?
Here are a couple questions of my own:
1) When you miss 20% of the time, so you find that you mis identified the pattern or just that the pattern to then was followed but you jumped in when it stopped and switched to something else?
2) How many identifiable patterns do you tend to see? How many possible patterns do you think there are? (Trying to derive a fraction of what’s possible vs what you tend to see repeat regularly.)
3) If you miss your first bet, do you play differently for the second bet, or do you wait just like you would for the first bet to find a new pattern?
4) Further to the above, if you tend to wait 10 (or however many spins) on average before a first bet, is it 10 (or however many spins) for subsequent bets or is it fewer?
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
September 12th, 2022 at 11:50:06 AM
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Ask all you want, you will never really get a an answer that leads to any logical answer....since it's not real.Quote: MDawgHe wins 100% of his sessions, not 80%. Even I can't do that.
But anyway, if you would just let him answer systematic step by step questions we might know what he is doing, or thinks he is doing.
Look - how many would be willing to start an ASK ME ANYTHING no holds barred thread about whatever they are up to in the casinos? Would you? DarkOz? You're just assuming that he is up to nothing which is why he is willing to answer questions. And maybe you are right, but as long as he is willing to answer questions I'd like to keep asking.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 12th, 2022 at 12:30:05 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: SOOPOOWhat I can’t understand is if you found a way to take ‘free money’
It's not free, nothing is free, I worked my ass off to get here for the last 17 years. Here it is in a nutshell keeping it a simple as possible. If you study patterns and trends long enough they start to make sense to you and you see the same scenarios over and over and over and over because you're only working with 36 numbers and if you wait long enough these scenarios will repeat over and over. Sometimes nothing at all is happening and I can't see a bet to save my life. But often enough I see a pattern combined with other patterns combined with a trend where I know from lots of experience there's 80% chance the next outcome will be an even chance I can bet on and win. Just one unit, that's my goal at the online casinos, to win one unit per session. Of course that unit could be any size that you want. It's called making an educated guess, and no it's not a prediction. Even though I've read recently on other gambling forums that some are saying roulette is somewhat predictable.
Yes yes, 14 people will now say Bob you're such a moron independent events are totally unconnected to each other and they form no patterns. Which I agree with 100%. The patterns are all in my head, they're imaginary, my pattern seeking brain makes them up. And it doesn't matter if they're real or not real they can still be exploited. There are no rules involved, rules do not work with independent outcomes. All you can do is make educated guesses from a vast amount of experience looking at outcomes. And because there are no rules this way of playing is of no interest to 99.9% of gamblers. They want a totally rule-based system that tells you what to do every step of the way because it's easy if there are rules to follow. Independent outcomes cannot and will never follow rules, it's impossible. All I can do is say to myself I have seen this scenario before and this is the usual outcome 80% of the time. To bet one time to make one unit.
This does not work in a brick-and-mortar casino because I can't see enough outcomes in an hour which is all I have because that's as long as my concentration will last which is very very typical. Almost nobody is able to concentrate on anything for longer than an hour. It's why the casino gives a dealer's so many breaks because after 45 minutes to an hour they start making mistakes because their concentration is gone. At the online casinos I can see 90 spins an hour which is huge. So I see these scenarios where I can make a pet far more often then I ever would in a brick-and-mortar casino. In a B & M Casino I am forced to grind, I only have a 65 to 70% advantage and I have to make more bets and get more wrong to reach my goal. And it doesn't always work, sometimes all I can do is break even because all I've seen is 25 or 30 lousy outcomes in the hour I'm there.
Even with 90 outcomes an hour there are days when I don't see a bet, a couple times I've gone 2 or 3 days when I didn't see a bet but that's very rare. And yes I win every online session that I make bets in because I do not bet obviously unless the outcomes are favorable to me.
Let the pig piling of misinformation about roulette begin. You'll see what I mean just wait.
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So what you are saying is that you’ve trained yourself to spot a biased wheel. You and I had a brief PM discussion about this a few years ago (without you actually saying this of course). I figured that was what it was, because while the mathematics cannot be beaten, that is not the same as saying the game cannot be beaten.
I personally don’t have the inclination, nor the patience, to do that. Not even online. However, if someone was going to actually do it, the only way to succeed would be by taking small increments over long periods of time. Otherwise the play discloses the bias.
A falling knife has no handle.
September 12th, 2022 at 12:35:04 PM
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Quote: MDawg
He wins 100% of his sessions, not 80%. 𝙀𝙫𝙚𝙣 𝙄 𝙘𝙖𝙣'𝙩 𝙙𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩.
really______????____________𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙣 𝙮𝙤𝙪_________________even somebody as great as you
WOW!!!!__________color me shocked - I really didn't think anybody in the whole world could have a higher winning % than you
it just doesn't seem possible
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 12th, 2022 at 12:38:10 PM
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. Nope. He finds these patterns at MULTIPLE online platforms and recognizes them in a few minutes! This concept is a farce. If there is a wheel biased IT AINT BIASED ENOUGH TO WIN 8 out of 10 times! Rant over….Quote: MoscaQuote: EvenBobQuote: SOOPOOWhat I can’t understand is if you found a way to take ‘free money’
It's not free, nothing is free, I worked my ass off to get here for the last 17 years. Here it is in a nutshell keeping it a simple as possible. If you study patterns and trends long enough they start to make sense to you and you see the same scenarios over and over and over and over because you're only working with 36 numbers and if you wait long enough these scenarios will repeat over and over. Sometimes nothing at all is happening and I can't see a bet to save my life. But often enough I see a pattern combined with other patterns combined with a trend where I know from lots of experience there's 80% chance the next outcome will be an even chance I can bet on and win. Just one unit, that's my goal at the online casinos, to win one unit per session. Of course that unit could be any size that you want. It's called making an educated guess, and no it's not a prediction. Even though I've read recently on other gambling forums that some are saying roulette is somewhat predictable.
Yes yes, 14 people will now say Bob you're such a moron independent events are totally unconnected to each other and they form no patterns. Which I agree with 100%. The patterns are all in my head, they're imaginary, my pattern seeking brain makes them up. And it doesn't matter if they're real or not real they can still be exploited. There are no rules involved, rules do not work with independent outcomes. All you can do is make educated guesses from a vast amount of experience looking at outcomes. And because there are no rules this way of playing is of no interest to 99.9% of gamblers. They want a totally rule-based system that tells you what to do every step of the way because it's easy if there are rules to follow. Independent outcomes cannot and will never follow rules, it's impossible. All I can do is say to myself I have seen this scenario before and this is the usual outcome 80% of the time. To bet one time to make one unit.
This does not work in a brick-and-mortar casino because I can't see enough outcomes in an hour which is all I have because that's as long as my concentration will last which is very very typical. Almost nobody is able to concentrate on anything for longer than an hour. It's why the casino gives a dealer's so many breaks because after 45 minutes to an hour they start making mistakes because their concentration is gone. At the online casinos I can see 90 spins an hour which is huge. So I see these scenarios where I can make a pet far more often then I ever would in a brick-and-mortar casino. In a B & M Casino I am forced to grind, I only have a 65 to 70% advantage and I have to make more bets and get more wrong to reach my goal. And it doesn't always work, sometimes all I can do is break even because all I've seen is 25 or 30 lousy outcomes in the hour I'm there.
Even with 90 outcomes an hour there are days when I don't see a bet, a couple times I've gone 2 or 3 days when I didn't see a bet but that's very rare. And yes I win every online session that I make bets in because I do not bet obviously unless the outcomes are favorable to me.
Let the pig piling of misinformation about roulette begin. You'll see what I mean just wait.
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So what you are saying is that you’ve trained yourself to spot a biased wheel. You and I had a brief PM discussion about this a few years ago (without you actually saying this of course). I figured that was what it was, because while the mathematics cannot be beaten, that is not the same as saying the game cannot be beaten.
I personally don’t have the inclination, nor the patience, to do that. Not even online. However, if someone was going to actually do it, the only way to succeed would be by taking small increments over long periods of time. Otherwise the play discloses the bias.
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September 12th, 2022 at 12:41:24 PM
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Exactly what I was going to say.. not as detailed but the general gist of what you said.Quote: SOOPOO. Nope. He finds these patterns at MULTIPLE online platforms and recognizes them in a few minutes! This concept is a farce. If there is a wheel biased IT AINT BIASED ENOUGH TO WIN 8 out of 10 times! Rant over….Quote: MoscaQuote: EvenBobQuote: SOOPOOWhat I can’t understand is if you found a way to take ‘free money’
It's not free, nothing is free, I worked my ass off to get here for the last 17 years. Here it is in a nutshell keeping it a simple as possible. If you study patterns and trends long enough they start to make sense to you and you see the same scenarios over and over and over and over because you're only working with 36 numbers and if you wait long enough these scenarios will repeat over and over. Sometimes nothing at all is happening and I can't see a bet to save my life. But often enough I see a pattern combined with other patterns combined with a trend where I know from lots of experience there's 80% chance the next outcome will be an even chance I can bet on and win. Just one unit, that's my goal at the online casinos, to win one unit per session. Of course that unit could be any size that you want. It's called making an educated guess, and no it's not a prediction. Even though I've read recently on other gambling forums that some are saying roulette is somewhat predictable.
Yes yes, 14 people will now say Bob you're such a moron independent events are totally unconnected to each other and they form no patterns. Which I agree with 100%. The patterns are all in my head, they're imaginary, my pattern seeking brain makes them up. And it doesn't matter if they're real or not real they can still be exploited. There are no rules involved, rules do not work with independent outcomes. All you can do is make educated guesses from a vast amount of experience looking at outcomes. And because there are no rules this way of playing is of no interest to 99.9% of gamblers. They want a totally rule-based system that tells you what to do every step of the way because it's easy if there are rules to follow. Independent outcomes cannot and will never follow rules, it's impossible. All I can do is say to myself I have seen this scenario before and this is the usual outcome 80% of the time. To bet one time to make one unit.
This does not work in a brick-and-mortar casino because I can't see enough outcomes in an hour which is all I have because that's as long as my concentration will last which is very very typical. Almost nobody is able to concentrate on anything for longer than an hour. It's why the casino gives a dealer's so many breaks because after 45 minutes to an hour they start making mistakes because their concentration is gone. At the online casinos I can see 90 spins an hour which is huge. So I see these scenarios where I can make a pet far more often then I ever would in a brick-and-mortar casino. In a B & M Casino I am forced to grind, I only have a 65 to 70% advantage and I have to make more bets and get more wrong to reach my goal. And it doesn't always work, sometimes all I can do is break even because all I've seen is 25 or 30 lousy outcomes in the hour I'm there.
Even with 90 outcomes an hour there are days when I don't see a bet, a couple times I've gone 2 or 3 days when I didn't see a bet but that's very rare. And yes I win every online session that I make bets in because I do not bet obviously unless the outcomes are favorable to me.
Let the pig piling of misinformation about roulette begin. You'll see what I mean just wait.
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So what you are saying is that you’ve trained yourself to spot a biased wheel. You and I had a brief PM discussion about this a few years ago (without you actually saying this of course). I figured that was what it was, because while the mathematics cannot be beaten, that is not the same as saying the game cannot be beaten.
I personally don’t have the inclination, nor the patience, to do that. Not even online. However, if someone was going to actually do it, the only way to succeed would be by taking small increments over long periods of time. Otherwise the play discloses the bias.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 12th, 2022 at 12:44:07 PM
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One thing ALL the system Player's have in common. They can ans will never quantify anything anything... that's because they can't.Quote: lilredroosterQuote: MDawg
He wins 100% of his sessions, not 80%. 𝙀𝙫𝙚𝙣 𝙄 𝙘𝙖𝙣'𝙩 𝙙𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩.
really______????____________𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙣 𝙮𝙤𝙪_________________even somebody as great as you
WOW!!!!__________color me shocked - I really didn't think anybody in the whole world could have a higher winning % than you
it just doesn't seem possible
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 12th, 2022 at 1:14:16 PM
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Quote: gordonm888
What EB has stated is that he uses a guessing (or hunch) methodology based on trying to observe patterns. This is what 90% of all the gamblers in the world do at one time or another. There is nothing wrong with that.
I agree that neither EB nor anyone else should be banned for stating what they believe to be a good strategy
𝘽𝙐𝙏 I believe that Mods should flag posts that state as fact things that are either impossible or if not impossible that are very hard to believe
I believe the Mods should place this warning sign next to these posts:
now, I would bet that most everybody can guess which BIG talker, BIG timer, other than EB I believe should have these signs next to his posts
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 12th, 2022 at 1:33:08 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOHe finds these patterns at MULTIPLE online platforms and recognizes them in a few minutes! This concept is a farce.
In all seriousness how do you know if it works or not. You don't play roulette, you've never investigated it, you really know almost nothing about it. Yet somehow you think you can form an accurate opinion how about what I do. That's the real farce here. I can recognize the patterns in a few minutes because I've been doing it for such a long time. It really doesn't even take a few minutes it takes a few seconds, I can look at the outcomes and see what's going on in about 8 to 15 seconds would be my guess. Just like you have a certain expertise in your profession because you did it for 30 years. You can look at something in your profession and assess it in literally seconds when I couldn't do it in hours. If you make that claim how could I say it was a farce. I know nothing about what you do just like you know nothing about what I do. You are a really smart guy and why you go down these roads is a mystery to me.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 12th, 2022 at 1:38:43 PM
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UnJon:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/37509-my-governor-changed-my-life/3/#post861572
and I:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/37509-my-governor-changed-my-life/3/#post861537
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/37509-my-governor-changed-my-life/3/#post861557
posted some questions for you.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/37509-my-governor-changed-my-life/3/#post861572
and I:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/37509-my-governor-changed-my-life/3/#post861537
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/37509-my-governor-changed-my-life/3/#post861557
posted some questions for you.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
