EvenBob
October 8th, 2022 at 6:47:40 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfP.S. you paied someone to analyze that roulette pattern document. Where are the results?
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Who knows I've heard nothing back yet. Crickets.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 8th, 2022 at 6:51:23 PM
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Quote: darkozQuote: EvenBobQuote: darkoz
Basically you are saying you will take a challenge to see how lucky you get?
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Nope. I'm saying that no matter what I do you will call it luck when it is actually skill. But it looks like luck, because you don't know what's going on. Annie Oakley was probably the best shooter in history and she was so accurate that she never missed so she was often accused of cheating or just being lucky. She had to actually involve people in the audience in her stunts to get them to believe her.
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And this is why the challenge is ridiculous.
If, for example, the Wizard determines you simply got lucky then you won't accept the results.
You will only accept the results if the person judging agrees with you emphatically. Any judgement as to the worth of your system will only be a worthless judgement unless it agrees with you.
Are you prepared to tell the Wizard, if he states that what he witnessed was just luck, that the Wizard is wrong and doesn't understand what he is talking about?
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I already know what he's going to say, he's going to say it was luck and we did not do enough trials to adequately judge what's going on. I'm just doing this so you people shut up about it. Whatever somebody says there's no effect on what I actually do. The casinos will continue to pay me and that's all I need.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 8th, 2022 at 7:12:44 PM
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I say we start with me observing a session and then report the results. No goal to meet. No bets. Just gather some data and go from there.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
October 8th, 2022 at 10:12:00 PM
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I understand that you think if you wait for "better spots" based on certain patterns that your hit rate goes up.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfIf not 80% then what hit rate are we talking about? We can automatically assume a close to a 50% hit rate. Why not just take the time and do it your way and prove you can get an 80% hit rate.. who cares how long it takes? Just do 100 bets. If you can get 75% correct I would believe you.
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Probably 65% to 70% most of the time.. You people are way too hung up on 80% which shows you have no idea what's going on. Mike will tell you I should not be able to have any edge at all let alone one as high as that. I think it's comical that you all rant and rave about the 80% when you are literally in every way not seeing the forest for the trees. Mike knows what I'm talking about. If my hit rate was 55% you should be just as upset about that as you are about the 80%. You should be saying I would be just as full of crap at 55%.
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There is a HUGE difference between guessing 80% correct over 100 trials vs 55% over 100 trials correct. The same goes for 500 trials.
I doubt you can even see the forest with all the invisible dinosaurs in your backyard.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 8th, 2022 at 10:25:46 PM
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I get why you have since come up with an alternative strategy that's now down as low as 65%. You need to lower expectations after realizing just how absolutely absurd claiming 80% over 500 spins is.Quote: EvenBobYou people are way too hung up on 80% which shows you have no idea what's going on.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 8th, 2022 at 11:42:43 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfI understand that you think if you wait for "better spots" based on certain patterns that your hit rate goes up.
There is a HUGE difference between guessing 80% correct over 100 trials vs 55% over 100 trials correct. The same goes for 500 trials.
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Actually there's no difference at all. Because to do the 100 trials for 80% would take a long time and looking at a lot of outcomes. For doing 55% I can do that on 20 outcomes, easily. I don't need a hundred. Here's what's happening. I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this challenge I want to get it over with as fast as possible and so does Mike. If we did 80% it could take a long time following me around until I found the right conditions a bunch of times because I'm not going to do it just once that doesn't prove anything. If I grind it at a lesser percentage I can get it over with pretty quickly. In one session. The ironic thing is just tonight when I played I bet 10 times got 1 wrong so that's 90% hit rate. Would you have been happy with that,, that's from grinding. Next time I'll do 62% and after that I'll do 75% and then 67% and you add them all up and you get an average. I only do making one unit online because it's fast when it's working. I do not want to spend a couple hours a day grinding. But I will do it for this challenge because it will get it over quickly.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 8th, 2022 at 11:43:44 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfI get why you have since come up with an alternative strategy that's now down as low as 65%. You need to lower expectations after realizing just how absolutely absurd claiming 80% over 500 spins is.Quote: EvenBobYou people are way too hung up on 80% which shows you have no idea what's going on.
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Read my last post. Keep blabbering nonsense you will talk me right out of this. I don't need to do this, I get nothing out of it because it's going to prove nothing. When I get positive results you will be just as negative and just as disbelieving as you are now.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 9th, 2022 at 2:22:27 AM
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You are right getting at least 55% correctly over 20 trials is nothing.... NOTHING SPECIAL that is.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfI understand that you think if you wait for "better spots" based on certain patterns that your hit rate goes up.
There is a HUGE difference between guessing 80% correct over 100 trials vs 55% over 100 trials correct. The same goes for 500 trials.
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Actually there's no difference at all. Because to do the 100 trials for 80% would take a long time and looking at a lot of outcomes. For doing 55% I can do that on 20 outcomes, easily. I don't need a hundred. Here's what's happening. I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this challenge I want to get it over with as fast as possible and so does Mike. If we did 80% it could take a long time following me around until I found the right conditions a bunch of times because I'm not going to do it just once that doesn't prove anything. If I grind it at a lesser percentage I can get it over with pretty quickly. In one session. The ironic thing is just tonight when I played I bet 10 times got 1 wrong so that's 90% hit rate. Would you have been happy with that,, that's from grinding. Next time I'll do 62% and after that I'll do 75% and then 67% and you add them all up and you get an average. I only do making one unit online because it's fast when it's working. I do not want to spend a couple hours a day grinding. But I will do it for this challenge because it will get it over quickly.
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Any random invisible dinosaur will get 11 out of 20 right somewhere near 40% of the time.
There is actually no need for him to follow you around or even watch in real-time. there are others ways this can be done without having to do that. I mentioned one way above. You could also just use a screen recording program as long as you say what casinos you will be playing and what times you will be playing and submit that video regardless. I can see how that could be a problem with someone only submitting when they are successful. You could live-stream your sessions to him and he just records them to view later. I'm sure there are others ways.
You can get somthing out of this.
You ignore the fact that you could make a BOAT LOAD OF MONEY without ever tipping off the casino(read my prior post). Just make a side bet that you can get 75%-80% over 100 spins and you will be rich in no time, people will even give you odds. You shouldn't really need any odds since you are confident you can do this.
I have no doubt people are willing to bet you that you cant get 55% correctly over 20 bets. And you are right, that won't prove anything, because it's nothing special, but who cares, just add that money to your bank account.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 9th, 2022 at 2:44:00 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfI get why you have since come up with an alternative strategy that's now down as low as 65%. You need to lower expectations after realizing just how absolutely absurd claiming 80% over 500 spins is.Quote: EvenBobYou people are way too hung up on 80% which shows you have no idea what's going on.
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Read my last post. Keep blabbering nonsense you will talk me right out of this. I don't need to do this, I get nothing out of it because it's going to prove nothing. When I get positive results you will be just as negative and just as disbelieving as you are now.
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Ah, the life a someone who isn't going to do what he says.
Already moving onto con artist step #2 from the playbook.
Begin setting up the rationale for you to ultimately refuse the challenge.
Like this playbook hasn't been used a million times before
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
October 9th, 2022 at 4:44:06 AM
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I'm ready to set something up. This week I'll be very busy with the Global Gaming Expo. I'd suggest sometime the week of Oct 17. Is Zoom okay? Do you have a moderator account there?
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
October 9th, 2022 at 5:21:44 AM
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Wait...the week of Oct 17th the sleeper numbers are scheduled to stop sleeping, so that won't work :)
October 9th, 2022 at 5:32:14 AM
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Quote: JohnzimboWait...the week of Oct 17th the sleeper numbers are scheduled to stop sleeping, so that won't work :)
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Accordin to my 9 seconds of astrology research, that's only on Wednesday.
Perhaps it can be worked around?
May the cards fall in your favor.
October 9th, 2022 at 10:29:15 AM
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You so lucky, you get to piggyback on Bob's roulette picks. You should just fly to Michigan and bet the farm.Quote: WizardI'm ready to set something up. This week I'll be very busy with the Global Gaming Expo. I'd suggest sometime the week of Oct 17. Is Zoom okay? Do you have a moderator account there?
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You'll be....
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 10th, 2022 at 12:42:55 PM
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If only I had these fantastic results like EB! I would be live streaming my screen as I scrolled through my transaction logs so everyone could see every bet I made, win or lose. Then, I would show my transaction log to show all of my cash outs and no deposits.
Sadly, I do not win 80% of my bets, so my logs will just show me grinding out mostly losing gaming sessions while amassing huge amounts of bonus free slot play.
Sadly, I do not win 80% of my bets, so my logs will just show me grinding out mostly losing gaming sessions while amassing huge amounts of bonus free slot play.
Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
October 10th, 2022 at 12:57:24 PM
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Quote: MentalIf only I had these fantastic results like EB! I would be live streaming my screen as I scrolled through my transaction logs so everyone could see every bet I made, win or lose. Then, I would show my transaction log to show all of my cash outs and no deposits.
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Why don't you just post your social security number, your home address and phone number, copies of your last tax returns, and pictures of yourself. Why go half hog crazy when you can go Whole Hog crazy.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 10th, 2022 at 1:20:04 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: MentalIf only I had these fantastic results like EB! I would be live streaming my screen as I scrolled through my transaction logs so everyone could see every bet I made, win or lose. Then, I would show my transaction log to show all of my cash outs and no deposits.
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Why don't you just post your social security number, your home address and phone number, copies of your last tax returns, and pictures of yourself. Why go half hog crazy when you can go Whole Hog crazy.
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Ho hum. More excuses.
You can easily use software to block out any information that identifies you. A person who spends all day looking for patterns can find the time and know how to do it.
Truth is you don't have any logs to prove your claims or you wouldn't make all the excuses.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
October 10th, 2022 at 1:33:14 PM
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Quote: darkozQuote: EvenBobQuote: MentalIf only I had these fantastic results like EB! I would be live streaming my screen as I scrolled through my transaction logs so everyone could see every bet I made, win or lose. Then, I would show my transaction log to show all of my cash outs and no deposits.
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Why don't you just post your social security number, your home address and phone number, copies of your last tax returns, and pictures of yourself. Why go half hog crazy when you can go Whole Hog crazy.
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Ho hum. More excuses.
You can easily use software to block out any information that identifies you. A person who spends all day looking for patterns can find the time and know how to do it.
Truth is you don't have any logs to prove your claims or you wouldn't make all the excuses.
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You would not know the truth if you tripped over and fell into it face-first. I don't have to prove anything to the people on this forum, what's in it for me. What do I care what you think about what I do, give me a break. You mean less than nothing to me if that's possible. I'm working out details of the challenge with Mike and it has nothing to do with what you or the other naysayers here think.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 10th, 2022 at 2:54:30 PM
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My opinion / prediction is that Evenbob will win the challenge . If the conditions of the challenge are such that it is possible to wager on the outcome , my money is on Evenbob to win easily.
October 10th, 2022 at 3:23:47 PM
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There will be no meaningful challenge.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
October 10th, 2022 at 4:19:44 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: MentalIf only I had these fantastic results like EB! I would be live streaming my screen as I scrolled through my transaction logs so everyone could see every bet I made, win or lose. Then, I would show my transaction log to show all of my cash outs and no deposits.
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Why don't you just post your social security number, your home address and phone number, copies of your last tax returns, and pictures of yourself. Why go half hog crazy when you can go Whole Hog crazy.
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Not the same at all. You can easily edit out personal info, in some case you can request such forms with just your player number.
Or you just send it to a trusted source (by you and the forum), and they can verify the details and simply post an overview.
If these claims are true, why would you not do this?
October 10th, 2022 at 4:31:10 PM
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Quote: OnceDearThere will be no meaningful challenge.
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Exactly right. No matter what I do no matter what the challenge is it will not satisfy anybody you're going to want more more more and more. This could be the greatest challenge ever attempted it wouldn't be enough. But there will be a challenge Mike and I are working it out. And it will be good enough for him and good enough for me and that's all that counts. The rest of you can practice flying with donuts
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 10th, 2022 at 4:32:24 PM
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Quote: cwwbjrMy opinion / prediction is that Evenbob will win the challenge . If the conditions of the challenge are such that it is possible to wager on the outcome , my money is on Evenbob to win easily.
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You are 100% correct sir, but it will not be enough. Mark my words.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 10th, 2022 at 4:33:49 PM
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Quote: EvenBobBut there will be a challenge Mike and I are working it out. And it will be good enough for him and good enough for me and that's all that counts. The rest of you can practice flying with donuts
If you can convince Mike that you are winning at a statistically improbable rate, that is good enough for me.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
October 10th, 2022 at 4:34:21 PM
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Dude the proper term nowadays is "wouldn't not" Keep up bro, it's all the rage.Quote: EvenBob
You would not know the truth if you tripped over and fell into it face-first.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 10th, 2022 at 5:29:49 PM
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I can confirm that EB are ironing out the details of the challenge. I think I can say we both want to do this. How the challenge is to be conducted and the results reported are sticking points, but we're trying to work that out.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
October 10th, 2022 at 6:18:39 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: MentalIf only I had these fantastic results like EB! I would be live streaming my screen as I scrolled through my transaction logs so everyone could see every bet I made, win or lose. Then, I would show my transaction log to show all of my cash outs and no deposits.
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Why don't you just post your social security number, your home address and phone number, copies of your last tax returns, and pictures of yourself. Why go half hog crazy when you can go Whole Hog crazy.
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I just checked my transaction log pages on 5 quite different online sites. Not one of these pages has any bit of my identifying information on them. No screen name, no player ID, no SS#, no real name. Bumpkis. If I show them to Mike, he would never be able to figure out who I am or even which is my state of residence..
Maybe MI transaction logs have your name and lat/long on every entry.
Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
October 10th, 2022 at 6:45:14 PM
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Quote: JohnzimboWait...the week of Oct 17th the sleeper numbers are scheduled to stop sleeping, so that won't work :)
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Wait! Isn't that the week we switch back from Daylight Sleeper Time to Standard Sleeper Time?
Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
October 10th, 2022 at 7:11:56 PM
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Quote: MentalQuote: EvenBobQuote: MentalIf only I had these fantastic results like EB! I would be live streaming my screen as I scrolled through my transaction logs so everyone could see every bet I made, win or lose. Then, I would show my transaction log to show all of my cash outs and no deposits.
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Why don't you just post your social security number, your home address and phone number, copies of your last tax returns, and pictures of yourself. Why go half hog crazy when you can go Whole Hog crazy.
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I just checked my transaction log pages on 5 quite different online sites. Not one of these pages has any bit of my identifying information on them. No screen name, no player ID, no SS#, no real name. Bumpkis. If I show them to Mike, he would never be able to figure out who I am or even which is my state of residence..
Maybe MI transaction logs have your name and lat/long on every entry.
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Or maybe EB just needs a convenient excuse for not providing one shred of proof
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
October 10th, 2022 at 7:43:36 PM
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Quote: darkoz
Or maybe EB just needs a convenient excuse for not providing one shred of proof
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I do not need an excuse convenient or otherwise. Who are you that I would need to prove anything to. Whether you believe what I do or not has not the slightest influence on it. Believe it or not life goes on with or without your approval. I posted this thread as I said before for my benefit not yours. It forces me to think about what I'm doing and when you do that new avenues open up.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 10th, 2022 at 7:45:12 PM
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Quote: MentalQuote: EvenBobQuote: MentalIf only I had these fantastic results like EB! I would be live streaming my screen as I scrolled through my transaction logs so everyone could see every bet I made, win or lose. Then, I would show my transaction log to show all of my cash outs and no deposits.
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Why don't you just post your social security number, your home address and phone number, copies of your last tax returns, and pictures of yourself. Why go half hog crazy when you can go Whole Hog crazy.
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I just checked my transaction log pages on 5 quite different online sites. Not one of these pages has any bit of my identifying information on them. No screen name, no player ID, no SS#, no real name. Bumpkis. If I show them to Mike, he would never be able to figure out who I am or even which is my state of residence..
Maybe MI transaction logs have your name and lat/long on every entry.
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I was being sarcastic. My point was if you're going to post all that crap why not just post all the other crap about your life. It's nobody's business what the logs at the casino say that's why they're not public information.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 10th, 2022 at 7:56:12 PM
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Yeah, well, that doesn't seem to be working.Quote: EvenBobIt forces me to think about what I'm doing and when you do that new avenues open up.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 10th, 2022 at 7:59:37 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfYeah, well, that doesn't seem to be working.Quote: EvenBobIt forces me to think about what I'm doing and when you do that new avenues open up.
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Certainly working for me, I'm learning new stuff all the time cuz I'm paying more attention.. A lot of the bets I make I don't know why I make them this is helping me figure out what my process is for figuring out the next bet.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 10th, 2022 at 9:07:19 PM
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You have already given all that information to the online casinos. Don't you trust Mike to view your simple account history? It's simple, log on to your accounts via zoom or whatever and let him see your betting history. You don't have to show him any sensitive information, just your betting history - Deposit in/cash out logs. prove you are hitting 75%- 80% over a decent number of spins and that's your proof we can't ignore.Quote: EvenBobQuote: MentalIf only I had these fantastic results like EB! I would be live streaming my screen as I scrolled through my transaction logs so everyone could see every bet I made, win or lose. Then, I would show my transaction log to show all of my cash outs and no deposits.
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Why don't you just post your social security number, your home address and phone number, copies of your last tax returns, and pictures of yourself. Why go half hog crazy when you can go Whole Hog crazy.
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I wouldn't ask you to do anything I wouldn't do, so I would be willing to log into some online casinos and show him my account history, he's even welcome to see my personal information. Here's an example (sensitive information edited)
I bet the money line on the Giants, for some reason I couldn't click the bet information, it was running slow and timed out.♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 10th, 2022 at 10:17:20 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfYou have already given all that information to the online casinos. Don't you trust Mike to view your simple account history? It's simple, log on to your accounts via zoom or whatever and let him see your betting history. You don't have to show him any sensitive information, just your betting history - Deposit in/cash out logs. prove you are hitting 75%- 80% over a decent number of spins and that's your proof we can't ignore.Quote: EvenBobQuote: MentalIf only I had these fantastic results like EB! I would be live streaming my screen as I scrolled through my transaction logs so everyone could see every bet I made, win or lose. Then, I would show my transaction log to show all of my cash outs and no deposits.
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Why don't you just post your social security number, your home address and phone number, copies of your last tax returns, and pictures of yourself. Why go half hog crazy when you can go Whole Hog crazy.
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I wouldn't ask you to do anything I wouldn't do, so I would be willing to log into some online casinos and show him my account history, he's even welcome to see my personal information. Here's an example (sensitive information edited)
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It's simple.
He doesn't have the logs to show the Wizard.
That's why he is already telegraphing that the Wizard will just say he got lucky. Because that's all he is doing.
If he actually was winning like he says he would just provide the logs to Wizard and then throw it in every one's face.
You notice when he is pushed to the wall about proof suddenly he doesn't have to prove anything to anyone.
Literally makes 100+ pages of claims, then says the claims aren't to prove anything to anyone.
The comedy continues.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
October 10th, 2022 at 11:07:43 PM
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Bob will claim that we will claim he faked his logs. That's why I suggested a live zoom or screen share app while logging on. Even 75% over 200 spins would be incredible.Quote: darkozQuote: AxelWolfYou have already given all that information to the online casinos. Don't you trust Mike to view your simple account history? It's simple, log on to your accounts via zoom or whatever and let him see your betting history. You don't have to show him any sensitive information, just your betting history - Deposit in/cash out logs. prove you are hitting 75%- 80% over a decent number of spins and that's your proof we can't ignore.Quote: EvenBobQuote: MentalIf only I had these fantastic results like EB! I would be live streaming my screen as I scrolled through my transaction logs so everyone could see every bet I made, win or lose. Then, I would show my transaction log to show all of my cash outs and no deposits.
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Why don't you just post your social security number, your home address and phone number, copies of your last tax returns, and pictures of yourself. Why go half hog crazy when you can go Whole Hog crazy.
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I wouldn't ask you to do anything I wouldn't do, so I would be willing to log into some online casinos and show him my account history, he's even welcome to see my personal information. Here's an example (sensitive information edited)
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It's simple.
He doesn't have the logs to show the Wizard.
That's why he is already telegraphing that the Wizard will just say he got lucky. Because that's all he is doing.
If he actually was winning like he says he would just provide the logs to Wizard and then throw it in every one's face.
You notice when he is pushed to the wall about proof suddenly he doesn't have to prove anything to anyone.
Literally makes 100+ pages of claims, then says the claims aren't to prove anything to anyone.
The comedy continues.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 10th, 2022 at 11:50:21 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfBob will claim that we will claim he faked his logs. That's why I suggested a live zoom or screen share app while logging on. Even 75% over 200 spins would be incredible.
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You guys crack me up, you act like you think you're on some sort of Board of Regents that is deciding my fate in the future of roulette. I'm not posting logs cuz it's none of your freaking business. I do not have to prove anything to you I'm only doing the challenge so you'll shut up about it. And even this challenge ain't going to be what you think it is.
75% / 200 spins would be incredible? You can't do 65% over 10 spins go ahead and try it. Try and do 55%. I dare you.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 11th, 2022 at 12:07:49 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfBob will claim that we will claim he faked his logs. That's why I suggested a live zoom or screen share app while logging on. Even 75% over 200 spins would be incredible.
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You guys crack me up, you act like you think you're on some sort of Board of Regents that is deciding my fate in the future of roulette. I'm not posting logs cuz it's none of your freaking business. I do not have to prove anything to you I'm only doing the challenge so you'll shut up about it. And even this challenge ain't going to be what you think it is.
75% / 200 spins would be incredible? You can't do 65% over 10 spins go ahead and try it. Try and do 55%. I dare you.
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Your fate in the future of your claims about Roulette is being decided.
Right now no one believes the claims.
Don't say you don't care because you have been arguing for over 100 pages they are true. You clearly want to be believed.
You made a fascinating claim a page or two back which significance you didn't even recognize.
You said this entire thread was for you to improve and that it's worked such that even wagers you were making but didn't understand why now make sense to you. Before this thread you made these wagers but didn't know why.
LMAO, that's literally saying you got lucky. If you don't know why you made XYZ wagers then you don't have any method or system except blind luck.
"I'm betting on third dozen. I don't know why. Hey I won! That's not luck. I got a method."
Again, LMAO!
You believe because you have gotten lucky(even that's debatable since you claim you can't show proof of even that) that you have discovered a means to beat Roulette.
Meanwhile making only about a thousand wagers in a year and a half, you have barely played a total of three days aggregate.
Laughingstock. So sad!
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
October 11th, 2022 at 2:29:15 AM
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Quote: darkozQuote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfBob will claim that we will claim he faked his logs. That's why I suggested a live zoom or screen share app while logging on. Even 75% over 200 spins would be incredible.
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You guys crack me up, you act like you think you're on some sort of Board of Regents that is deciding my fate in the future of roulette. I'm not posting logs cuz it's none of your freaking business. I do not have to prove anything to you I'm only doing the challenge so you'll shut up about it. And even this challenge ain't going to be what you think it is.
75% / 200 spins would be incredible? You can't do 65% over 10 spins go ahead and try it. Try and do 55%. I dare you.
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Your fate in the future of your claims about Roulette is being decided.
Right now no one believes the claims.
Don't say you don't care because you have been arguing for over 100 pages they are true. You clearly want to be believed.
You made a fascinating claim a page or two back which significance you didn't even recognize.
You said this entire thread was for you to improve and that it's worked such that even wagers you were making but didn't understand why now make sense to you. Before this thread you made these wagers but didn't know why.
LMAO, that's literally saying you got lucky. If you don't know why you made XYZ wagers then you don't have any method or system except blind luck.
"I'm betting on third dozen. I don't know why. Hey I won! That's not luck. I got a method."
Again, LMAO!
You believe because you have gotten lucky(even that's debatable since you claim you can't show proof of even that) that you have discovered a means to beat Roulette.
Meanwhile making only about a thousand wagers in a year and a half, you have barely played a total of three days aggregate.
Laughingstock. So sad!
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On some bets I have to figure out why I'm coming to this conclusion because there's always a reason. I have so much experience of looking at previous outcomes that I sometimes make a decision without knowing how I came to that decision. Once I figure it out it always makes logical sense. It's a lot like driving in traffic, we do it automatically and make decisions all the time without really knowing how we did that. Just because we have experience and our brains put two and two together and make a good decision. If we had to constantly think about what we were doing in heavy traffic we wouldn't be able to drive. It's the same thing with me playing roulette. I have so much experience I've looked at so many tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands and maybe millions of outcomes that my brain makes decisions that I'm not even aware of. It's fun to analyze how I came to a conclusion that turned out to be correct. It's too bad you think so little of your brain that you think you couldn't do this. It's kind of pathetic, actually.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 11th, 2022 at 4:15:00 AM
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Quote: WizardI can confirm that EB are ironing out the details of the challenge. I think I can say we both want to do this. How the challenge is to be conducted and the results reported are sticking points, but we're trying to work that out.
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Wizard,
Let's look at two scenarios:-
1)
You and EveBob come up with some statistical test which tests the hypothesis that his method has some merit with x% probability: The test is clearly defined and goes ahead and results get announced. Either YOU conclude that "There is (very)/(some)/(no) statistically significant merit to EvenBob's claims of having an advantage"
Humanity can argue the toss after the event and either side of the debate can take your report as an endorsement.
2)
You observe EvenBob's play and come out with some warm fuzzy comment like "I observed EvenBob's play but came up with no conclusive evidence of the merit of his claim." You're a polite fella and I can see you not wanting to be controversial. But then all of humanity can claim "Wizard saw EvenBob's method and concluded it was BS" while EvenBob could claim "This was the x% of the time where it didn't work, but I always said that can happen. Wizard did not prove that my method is BS"
If you let scenario 2 happen, it will be one heck of a dereliction of duty and a crying shame.
That's why I predict that "No meaningful challenge will occur" And I note that EvenBob agrees with my "educated guess"
Make no compromise here. Make the challenge such that you either endorse EvenBob's method completely, or you absolutely call it out for what it is. No middle ground.
If EvenBob can't proceed on that basis, and why wouldn't he, then still make a ruling.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
October 11th, 2022 at 4:35:34 AM
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Quote: EvenBobI do not have to prove anything to you I'm only doing the challenge so you'll shut up about it. And even this challenge ain't going to be what you think it is.
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[Bolding mine. Trimmed for brevity]
Hallelujah!
EvenBob, himself, without any prompting, has defined the terms, purpose and parameter of this challenge.
It's a 'put up or shut up' and it cuts exactly two ways.
So. that defines whether the challenge itself succeeds or fails. The challenge is their project.
If we are still debating in this thread after the challenge, then EvenBob and Wizard will have failed together!
No meaningful challenge will occur.
EvenBob and I fully agree on that, and he has some element of control and insight on THAT.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
October 11th, 2022 at 5:03:44 AM
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Quote: EvenBob
On some bets I have to figure out why I'm coming to this conclusion because there's always a reason. I have so much experience of looking at previous outcomes that I sometimes make a decision without knowing how I came to that decision. Once I figure it out it always makes logical sense. It's a lot like driving in traffic, we do it automatically and make decisions all the time without really knowing how we did that. Just because we have experience and our brains put two and two together and make a good decision. If we had to constantly think about what we were doing in heavy traffic we wouldn't be able to drive. It's the same thing with me playing roulette. I have so much experience I've looked at so many tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands and maybe millions of outcomes that my brain makes decisions that I'm not even aware of. It's fun to analyze how I came to a conclusion that turned out to be correct. It's too bad you think so little of your brain that you think you couldn't do this. It's kind of pathetic, actually.
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I think owe owe EB the respect he has earned here. He is the first person in the history of gambling to go into a casino and use intuition to try and beat the games rather than math. This is a true innovation in the history of gambling. He is also the first gambler to apply fuzzy math to his results in order to come up with a winning method (not counting almost everyone on my casino bus).
I am deeply ashamed my pathetic little brain could not intuit a single winning method after all these years.
Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
October 11th, 2022 at 5:14:09 AM
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Quote: OnceDearQuote: EvenBob
Hallelujah!
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 11th, 2022 at 5:32:45 AM
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Im not asking you to post your logs. I said to have the Wizard review your logs and simply report what you have said to be true or not.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfBob will claim that we will claim he faked his logs. That's why I suggested a live zoom or screen share app while logging on. Even 75% over 200 spins would be incredible.
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You guys crack me up, you act like you think you're on some sort of Board of Regents that is deciding my fate in the future of roulette. I'm not posting logs cuz it's none of your freaking business. I do not have to prove anything to you I'm only doing the challenge so you'll shut up about it. And even this challenge ain't going to be what you think it is.
75% / 200 spins would be incredible? You can't do 65% over 10 spins go ahead and try it. Try and do 55%. I dare you.
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You can't/won't because it's next to impossible to get 75%-80% correct over 500 trials. It never happened to YOU, not even over 100 trials.
Of course, it won't be what I think. As I said previously, I get why you have since come up with an alternative strategy that's now down as low as 55%. You need to lower expectations after realizing just how absolutely absurd claiming 80% over 500 spins is.
I will/can achieve 55% or better over 10 spins, I can guarantee you that. Care to wager?
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 11th, 2022 at 5:47:06 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfI will/can achieve 55% or better over 10 spins, I can guarantee you that. Care to wager?
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I'll take you up on that wager, subject to the details.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
October 11th, 2022 at 6:42:12 AM
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"subject to the details." Of course, we will never have a wager on somthing like this. You will just do the math and figure out the correct odds and give yourself +EV, just as I would, therefore there would be no bet. That's not how Bob seems to operate.Quote: WizardQuote: AxelWolfI will/can achieve 55% or better over 10 spins, I can guarantee you that. Care to wager?
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I'll take you up on that wager, subject to the details.
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My point is... Bob thinks getting 55% on 10 spins is somehow special. Perhaps you can explain to him why it's not all that special, even getting 65% isn't special over just 10 spins. Thousands of different people just guessed 65% correctly over their last 10 spins. Heck, thousands of different people just got 10 out of 10 correctly over their last 10 spins.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 11th, 2022 at 6:49:27 AM
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Quote: EvenBob
You would not know the truth if you tripped over and fell into it face-first. I don't have to prove anything to the people on this forum, what's in it for me. What do I care what you think about what I do, give me a break. You mean less than nothing to me if that's possible. I'm working out details of the challenge with Mike and it has nothing to do with what you or the other naysayers here think.
So why the thread? Why the conversations? Why the fist and chest pumping? Mostly, why the anger?
tuttigym
October 11th, 2022 at 7:10:20 AM
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Why?Quote: tuttigym
So why the thread? Why the conversations? Why the fist and chest pumping? Mostly, why the anger?
tuttigym
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You don't know why?
EvenBob has said why. EvenBob posts for Evenbob's own edification.
The correct question might be why do so many, normally intelligent adults engage with this pantomime
phrases like "Booooo" and "Oh. Yes he is" and "Oh. No he isn't"Quote:a participatory form of theatre, in which the audience is encouraged and expected to sing along with certain parts of the music and shout out phrases to the performers.
I hope that reference isn't too English for you all.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
October 11th, 2022 at 7:16:23 AM
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I think this sums it up the best.Quote: OnceDearWhy?Quote: tuttigym
So why the thread? Why the conversations? Why the fist and chest pumping? Mostly, why the anger?
tuttigym
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You don't know why?
EvenBob has said why. For Evenbob's own edification.
The correct question might be why do so many, normally intelligent adults engage with this pantomimephrases like "Booooo"Quote:a participatory form of theatre, in which the audience is encouraged and expected to sing along with certain parts of the music and shout out phrases to the performers.
I hope that reference isn't to English for you all.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 11th, 2022 at 7:35:05 AM
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As a starting point for discussion of passing a test, here are the winning percentages one would need in single-zero roulette, by number of spins and number of standard deviations north of expectations.
As a reminder, here are the probabilities of finishing 1 to 4 standard deviations above expectations.
For example, the probability of getting over 53.12% right in 500 spins (266 wins or more) is 2.275%.
| Bets | 1 SD | 2 SD | 3 SD | 4 SD |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 100 | 53.65% | 58.64% | 63.64% | 68.64% |
| 200 | 52.18% | 55.72% | 59.25% | 62.79% |
| 300 | 51.53% | 54.42% | 57.31% | 60.19% |
| 400 | 51.15% | 53.65% | 56.15% | 58.64% |
| 500 | 50.88% | 53.12% | 55.35% | 57.59% |
| 600 | 50.69% | 52.73% | 54.77% | 56.81% |
| 700 | 50.54% | 52.43% | 54.32% | 56.21% |
| 800 | 50.42% | 52.18% | 53.95% | 55.72% |
| 900 | 50.31% | 51.98% | 53.65% | 55.31% |
| 1000 | 50.23% | 51.81% | 53.39% | 54.97% |
As a reminder, here are the probabilities of finishing 1 to 4 standard deviations above expectations.
| Std dev | Prob |
| 1 | 15.866% |
| 2 | 2.275% |
| 3 | 0.135% |
| 4 | 0.003% |
For example, the probability of getting over 53.12% right in 500 spins (266 wins or more) is 2.275%.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
October 11th, 2022 at 7:39:05 AM
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Can you maybe add a column showing how many SD's away you would be to hit 80% hit rate.Quote: WizardAs a starting point for discussion of passing a test, here are the winning percentages one would need in single-zero roulette, by number of spins and number of standard deviations north of expectations.
Bets 1 SD 2 SD 3 SD 4 SD 100 53.65% 58.64% 63.64% 68.64% 200 52.18% 55.72% 59.25% 62.79% 300 51.53% 54.42% 57.31% 60.19% 400 51.15% 53.65% 56.15% 58.64% 500 50.88% 53.12% 55.35% 57.59% 600 50.69% 52.73% 54.77% 56.81% 700 50.54% 52.43% 54.32% 56.21% 800 50.42% 52.18% 53.95% 55.72% 900 50.31% 51.98% 53.65% 55.31% 1000 50.23% 51.81% 53.39% 54.97%
As a reminder, here are the probabilities of finishing 1 to 4 standard deviations above expectations.
Std dev Prob 1 15.866% 2 2.275% 3 0.135% 4 0.003%
For example, the probability of getting over 53.12% right in 500 spins (266 wins or more) is 2.275%.
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Oh, and take the sample size down to something manageable in your test session.... maybe 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64
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Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
