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So knock yourselves out say anything you want, if it's not productive from my standpoint it's going to get ignored. And I will address the latest post by Mdawg later because I'm working outdoors and I'm just taking a break right now.
Quote: EvenBobSo here's what's going to happen in the next 100 pages.
Oh, my god, there's going to be another 100 pages of this??
Quote:I'm going to keep posting about what I do and if you have a productive comment or productive question I will address it.
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Let's see how this pans out....
Looking forward to DETAILED reports of your sessions.
"Trust me, bro!"
So here's what's going to happen in the next 100 pages:
"Trust me, bro!"
Quote: MDawgHowever, in the history of roulette I don't believe there has ever been a documented wheel that was somehow biased all over the entire wheel, such as to be biased to enter red more than black, that would be a pretty crooked wheel! Nor could it be conceivable that the way a croupier injected the ball could be directed to be more likely to land in one slot (say, red) versus a directly adjacent (say, black) slot - that would just be too much of a sharpshooting effect.
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I am not an expert in roulette cheating.
That said, I believe that launch steering could probably favor an octant or sextant, and the only wheel device I've seen (a retractable pin in the track) would likely be used to steer the ball away from big bets.
That said, if Rick asks me to try 22, I'll try 22 and cash out when I'm told. I really hope I'm starting with more than my last 6 francs.
However my post was about two different factors:
1. Croupier sharpshooting.
2. Biased roulette wheel.
I don't see any way that #2 could be biased in such a way as to favor say red over black, while it could conceivably favor a certain section of the wheel.
The patterns nobody else can find
My first bet I hit at 80 percent
I use the winnings to pay my rent
But if by chance the sleepers awake
Two more wagers I need to make
Or two more….or two more after that
Quote: JohnzimboI see the patterns in my mind
The patterns nobody else can find
My first bet I hit at 80 percent
I use the winnings to pay my rent
But if by chance the sleepers awake
Two more wagers I need to make
Or two more….or two more after that
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From the poetry collection entitled The Michigan Gambler: A Cautionary Tale
Quote: MDawgEvenBob says he doesn't bet based on sections of the wheel, but if he's betting based on prior results, by laying out groups of numbers, that could in the end amount to the same thing.
My bets are based on prior results because sometimes the prior outcomes point strongly in a certain direction and I make an educated guess that I can make one unit. The guess is based on years of observation of previous outcomes. Rounded off the odds are always 50/50 but by making a non-random bet against random outcomes occasionally my edge is better then the casinos edge. Not for very long and only occasionally. In a brick-and-mortar casino I don't do nearly as well and I play to make more than one unit because I have to grind it out. And in a brick-and-mortar casino it's not a guaranteed win for every session, many sessions I have broken even and some I've even lost a few units. But my hit rate is much smaller in a brick-and-mortar casino. Many times I've not played at all because I don't see any bets. The best thing to happen in a brick-and-mortar casino is to make five or six units right away and leave. I love when that happens.
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Let's see how this pans out....
Looking forward to DETAILED reports of your sessions.
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Most sessions are over in one spin how detailed can they be. That's the beauty of playing this way and why I will never enter another brick-and-mortar casino.
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Quote: EvenBobRounded off the odds are always 50/50 but by making a non-random bet against random outcomes occasionally my edge is better then the casinos edge.
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The casino edge in Roulette is -5.26%.
Are you claiming that you can get an edge of between -5.26% and 0, or are you claiming you can get an edge of >0?
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Most sessions are over in one spin how detailed can they be. That's the beauty of playing this way and why I will never enter another brick-and-mortar casino.
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You said yourself you have to watch for a while. A detailed session report would include all the results of the wheel from when you started watching, breakdown of the patterns you are seeing and why you will or won't bet, your bet size, time played, etc. There's a lot of information you could provide even if you only make one bet.
Most sessions are over in one spin how detailed can they be. That's the beauty of playing this way and why I will never enter another brick-and-mortar casino.
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Would you be able to teach your roulette method to someone else? If so, about how long would it take for the average person to thoroughly and profitably learn?
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Most sessions are over in one spin how detailed can they be. That's the beauty of playing this way and why I will never enter another brick-and-mortar casino.
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Would you be able to teach your roulette method to someone else? If so, about how long would it take for the average person to thoroughly and profitably learn?
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I could point to things as they come up but the person themselves is just going to have to do most of the heavy lifting. Like I keep saying there are no rules only guidelines. Once they get the hang of it it's not that difficult. Just takes a lot of patience and time. But once you've learned it you've learned it.
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You scoff at my methods, my patterns you deride
I really don't don't care: you can't rattle me
Delusional thinking is my reality
Go pull your hair and gnash your choppers
I'll smile happily as you dance to my whoppers
At the end of the day I'll cook lousy food
And choke it all down, still in a good mood.
What is the lesson, I hear you query?
I'm out of my mind, but oh so merry
*note: any resemblance to a living person is just too damn bad*
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Quote: EvenBobThis just happened. I see 3 singles red black red. Will this chop continue? I look at O/E there was a chop that went odd even odd even. I look at high and low and there was a chop that went high low high low high I look up in previous outcomes red black and there's a chop that went black red black red. So the last three chops I can see all went more than 3 events. What is the probability the current chop I'm looking at will end here. Chops are obviously trending so I go with the trend and make one unit. Does this work every time? Nothing works every time. But taken as a whole these things work more often than they don't if you don't get greedy.
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Have you ever considered putting out some videos? You could become the new John Patrick and make a mint
whilst helping ploppies down the path of righteousness.
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There's some other logical explanation for heathers claim. Whatever the case, 8 in a row didn't happen to her under normal random circumstances.Quote: MDawgAs far as watching previous outcomes and betting based on them, it actually makes sense on a roulette wheel if there is some mechanical basis for the ball's tending to fall more often in some quadrant of the wheel. But the back to back bets would need to be based on landing in that same, somehow biased, section of the roulette wheel. Or, with the Heather the croupier thing, 8 of the same number in a row :
Quote: MDawgHow hard is it to spin the roulette wheel and inject the ball in a way where the same quadrant will come up? How about the same number?
In Wizard’s April 30, 2020, Live Stream Heather claimed to have spun the ball in a way where the same number popped up 8 times [at 17:14].
From the LiveStream:
Wizard to Heather: "You said that you once saw the same number 8 times in a row?
Heather: "Yup, and I'm the one that spun the ball. And it was at a dead table. I'm sitting practicing. I'm spinning 5 in a row, 6 in a row. My floor supervisor comes over and he's like I'll bet you can't do that again. So I spin the ball and I do it again and he's like I bet you $100 you can't do it again. And I spin the ball and do it again."
During the LiveStream Wizard told Heather that the odds of doing that are 1 in 114,415,582,592.
I am not into roulette but I know that roulette players claim that a “steady arm” and consistent method (spin? ball entry?) may result in a predictable outcome….
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but either of these "predictable" outcomes have to do with either consistent spin of the wheel with a consistent entry of the ball, or with the wheel's being biased to favor a certain section. I suppose a wheel could be biased to enter a certain number or numbers even if they are spread across the roulette wheel, if there were some defect with those slots that made the ball more likely to enter that slot or stay in that slot.
However, in the history of roulette I don't believe there has ever been a documented wheel that was somehow biased all over the entire wheel, such as to be biased to enter red more than black, that would be a pretty crooked wheel! Nor could it be conceivable that the way a croupier injected the ball could be directed to be more likely to land in one slot (say, red) versus a directly adjacent (say, black) slot - that would just be too much of a sharpshooting effect.
(HOWEVER I suppose that if you believe that a croupier like Heather could hit the same number again and again, then couldn't she also hit, say, the same red or same black number again and again?)
EvenBob says he doesn't bet based on sections of the wheel, but if he's betting based on prior results, by laying out groups of numbers, that could in the end amount to the same thing.
In any case, if there is some actual basis for why certain numbers are repeating on the wheel, then sure, betting based on past patterns would make sense.
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unless I missed something - which is quite possible - nobody mentioned "dealer signature" as a legit method of beating roulette in the event a predictable croupier is found
in the linked article blackjack authority Arnold Snyder analyzes it and refers to and quotes the great Edward Thorp's commentary on it
the discussion of "dealer signature" doesn't begin until about halfway thru the article
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https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/gambling-with-an-edge/using-tells-to-exploit-roulette-dealers/
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unless I missed something - which is quite possible - nobody mentioned "dealer signature" as a legit method of beating roulette in the event a predictable croupier is found
in the linked article blackjack authority Arnold Snyder analyzes it and refers to and quotes the great Edward Thorp's commentary on it
the discussion of "dealer signature" doesn't begin until about halfway thru the article
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https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/gambling-with-an-edge/using-tells-to-exploit-roulette-dealers/
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I know I skipped it in my post (after being on the fence about adding it) because I don't think its an established method. Even wheel bias can be argued to be borderline obsolete now, but at least there are many established cases of people using it going back to the early 1900s.
That is a well done article, but I do like this quote that they included from Ortiz:
Quote: Darwin OrtizI’ve met people who know people who know people who can do it. I’ve met people whose brother-in-law can do it. I’ve even met people who could do it on every day except the day that I happened to meet them. But I have yet to meet one dealer face-to-face who could reliably do it when challenged by me.
well, Arnold seems to believe he's seen it several times per the article - I do trust Arnold - his contribution in BJ has been large
although, I must admit I don't think it's tremendously useful info
I don't think anyone's going to have a very comfortable retirement because of dealer signature
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unless I missed something - which is quite possible - nobody mentioned "dealer signature" as a legit method of beating roulette in the event a predictable croupier is found
See the folllowing:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/can-roulette-dealers-control-where-ball-landto-some-extent-marcus
In B/R there is an absence of doubles
In O/E the singles are weak
In H/L there is a chop of 7 singles
I only have 20 seconds to make a bet so I have to see all of this in the first 10 seconds and make a decision. How long do you think it takes to learn this.
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Quote: EvenBobIn the dozens the 3rd dozen has slept for 5 spins
In B/R there is an absence of doubles
In O/E the singles are weak
In H/L there is a chop of 7 singles
I only have 20 seconds to make a bet so I have to see all of this in the first 10 seconds and make a decision. How long do you think it takes to learn this.
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In the dozens three spins ended in multiples of three, they were six, nine, fifteen.
In red/black two numbers were the birthdays of famous jazz singers.
In odd/even if you subtract the first number from the last number you always have a prime number.
In high low, adding the numbers from the last 36 spins added up to 666.
You only have ten seconds to make a decision. How long does it take to learn this?
Quote: darkozQuote: EvenBobIn the dozens the 3rd dozen has slept for 5 spins
In B/R there is an absence of doubles
In O/E the singles are weak
In H/L there is a chop of 7 singles
I only have 20 seconds to make a bet so I have to see all of this in the first 10 seconds and make a decision. How long do you think it takes to learn this.
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In the dozens three spins ended in multiples of three, they were six, nine, fifteen.
In red/black two numbers were the birthdays of famous jazz singers.
In odd/even if you subtract the first number from the last number you always have a prime number.
In high low, adding the numbers from the last 36 spins added up to 666.
You only have ten seconds to make a decision. How long does it take to learn this?
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You forgot you have to consult your tarot cards your magic eight ball and throw the chicken bones on the ground and get a proper reading all in 10 seconds. Please don't pretend that you understand what you can't possibly understand.
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this is the contents of letters Fyodor Dostoevsky - imho one of the greatest writers ever - wrote to his brother and others re his gambling addiction specifically in roulette which greatly contributed to his financial ruination -
it's hard to believe that Dostoevsky - a truly brilliant man - could write something like this which is contained in one of his letters:
" I have observed as I approached the gaming table that if one plays coolly, calmly and with calculation, it is quite impossible to lose! - I swear it is an absolute impossibility! It is blind chance pitted against my calculation; hence, I have an advantage over it."
one of Dostoevsky's books entitled "The Gambler" is highly regarded and in it he explores gambling addiction
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"You ask in your letter how a man can gamble away his last kopek, especially when he is traveling with someone he loves. Let me tell you, my dear Misha, that in Wiesbaden I devised a system of play which I put to the test and won myself 10,000 francs [$39,254]. But the next morning in my excitement I failed to stick to my system, and lost right away. In the evening I went back to my system, stuck strictly to it, and quickly and effortlessly won 3,000 francs again [$11,776]. Now, tell me yourself, after this happened how could I help getting carried away, how could I fail to believe that as long as I held hard and fast to my system, happiness was in my grasp? And I need money — for myself, for you, for my wife, to enable me to write my novel. Here people win tens of thousands just like that. Yes, I came here hoping to save you all and to stave off misfortune. And then, too, I had faith in my system. And what's more, when I got to Baden, I walked up to the roulette table and won 600 francs [$2,355] within a quarter of an hour. That whetted my appetite. Suddenly I started losing; I could no longer restrain myself and lost everything I had with me. After I sent you the letter from Baden, I took the last money I had and went back to play. I started with four napoleons [$314] and won 35 napoleons [$2,748] within half an hour. This extraordinary pice of luck went to my head, and I risked those 35 napoleons and lost the whole 35. After paying the landlady, we had six gold napoleons [$471] left for hour journey. In Geneva, I pawned my watch.
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But two years ago in Wiesbaden I won around 12,000 francs [$47,105] within a single hour. Although this time I did not expect gambling to be a panacea, it would have been very pleasant indeed to win 1,000 francs [$3,925] or so to tide me over for at least three months. I arrived in Wiesbaden only five days ago, and I have lost everything already, just everything, including my watch, and I even owe money to the hotel.
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Already on twenty or so occasions I have observed as I approached the gaming table that if one plays coolly, calmly and with calculation, it is quite impossible to lose! I swear — it is an absolute impossibility! It is blind chance pitted against my calculation; hence, I have an advantage over it. But what usually happened? As a rule, I would start with forty gulden [$116], I would take them out of my pocket, sit down, and stake one or two gulden [$6] at a time. Within a quarter of an hour, I would usually (always) double my money. This was the moment to have stopped and left, at least until the evening, so as to calm one's excited nerves (furthermore I have made the observation — and thoroughly substantiated it — that I can never maintain my coolness and detachment in gambling for longer that half an hour at a time). But if I left the table it was only to go out for a smoke and then rush back to the game.
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This was the very last time! Do you believe now, Anya, that my hands are untied? — I was tied up by gambling but now I will put my mind to worthwhile things instead of spending whole nights dreaming about gambling, as I used to do. And so my work will be better and more profitable, "
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it's hard to believe that Dostoevsky - a truly brilliant man - could write something like this which is contained in one of his letters:
" I have observed as I approached the gaming table that if one plays coolly, calmly and with calculation, it is quite impossible to lose! - I swear it is an absolute impossibility! It is blind chance pitted against my calculation; hence, I have an advantage over it."
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Thank you for posting this. He describes it very well, it's not that hard to gain an advantage. Blind chance against deliberate calculation will find you an edge on the even chances and from there you can improve on it. Problem is you have to know when it works and when it doesn't work, when the conditions are correct. And that takes time and observation and you cannot have a gambler's attitude of impatience and greed and I'm sure that was his downfall. You have to be satisfied with a small number of wins and what gambler can do that. I keep saying this over and over the biggest advantage is I have is I'm not a gambler, in fact I'm risk-averse. Gambling to me seems to be the worst way to use your money unless you have an advantage and then it's not gambling. It's investing.
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Thank you for posting this. He describes it very well, it's not that hard to gain an advantage. Blind chance against deliberate calculation will find you an edge on the even chances and from there you can improve on it. Problem is you have to know when it works and when it doesn't work, when the conditions are correct. And that takes time and observation and you cannot have a gambler's attitude of impatience and greed and I'm sure that was his downfall. You have to be satisfied with a small number of wins and what gambler can do that. I keep saying this over and over the biggest advantage is I have is I'm not a gambler, in fact I'm risk-averse. Gambling to me seems to be the worst way to use your money unless you have an advantage and then it's not gambling. It's investing.
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1-800-522-4700
Quote: EvenBobIn the dozens the 3rd dozen has slept for 5 spins
In B/R there is an absence of doubles
In O/E the singles are weak
In H/L there is a chop of 7 singles
I only have 20 seconds to make a bet so I have to see all of this in the first 10 seconds and make a decision. How long do you think it takes to learn this.
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Not to minimize your pattern-recognition abilities, but I could code it up in a matter of a few hours.
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it's hard to believe that Dostoevsky - a truly brilliant man - could write something like this which is contained in one of his letters:
" I have observed as I approached the gaming table that if one plays coolly, calmly and with calculation, it is quite impossible to lose! - I swear it is an absolute impossibility! It is blind chance pitted against my calculation; hence, I have an advantage over it."
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Thank you for posting this. He describes it very well, it's not that hard to gain an advantage. Blind chance against deliberate calculation will find you an edge on the even chances and from there you can improve on it. Problem is you have to know when it works and when it doesn't work, when the conditions are correct. And that takes time and observation and you cannot have a gambler's attitude of impatience and greed and I'm sure that was his downfall. You have to be satisfied with a small number of wins and what gambler can do that. I keep saying this over and over the biggest advantage is I have is I'm not a gambler, in fact I'm risk-averse. Gambling to me seems to be the worst way to use your money unless you have an advantage and then it's not gambling. It's investing.
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I agree. The main reason people lose vast sums is they keep throwing down chasing a large win or large comeback with an inadequate bankroll against an insufficient max bet. They could be playing a roulette wheel with NO 0 and still lose everything they have, session after session. For such players the risk of ruin is what gets them, not the house edge.
Quote: UsernameRemorseQuote: EvenBobIn the dozens the 3rd dozen has slept for 5 spins
In B/R there is an absence of doubles
In O/E the singles are weak
In H/L there is a chop of 7 singles
I only have 20 seconds to make a bet so I have to see all of this in the first 10 seconds and make a decision. How long do you think it takes to learn this.
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Not to minimize your pattern-recognition abilities, but I could code it up in a matter of a few hours.
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I was simply making a point. There's slightly more to it than this. The person who does this same method as I do on another forum also does code and he says it could probably be done but it would take a very long time and he doesn't think it would be worth the effort. There is way too many nuances.
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it's hard to believe that Dostoevsky - a truly brilliant man - could write something like this which is contained in one of his letters:
" I have observed as I approached the gaming table that if one plays coolly, calmly and with calculation, it is quite impossible to lose! - I swear it is an absolute impossibility! It is blind chance pitted against my calculation; hence, I have an advantage over it."
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Thank you for posting this. He describes it very well, it's not that hard to gain an advantage. Blind chance against deliberate calculation will find you an edge on the even chances and from there you can improve on it. Problem is you have to know when it works and when it doesn't work, when the conditions are correct. And that takes time and observation and you cannot have a gambler's attitude of impatience and greed and I'm sure that was his downfall. You have to be satisfied with a small number of wins and what gambler can do that. I keep saying this over and over the biggest advantage is I have is I'm not a gambler, in fact I'm risk-averse. Gambling to me seems to be the worst way to use your money unless you have an advantage and then it's not gambling. It's investing.
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quite amazing - you didn't misquote me - but you took the message in the exact opposite way to how it should be taken
if you go back over the entire letters you will see that Dostoevsky only 𝙩𝙝𝙤𝙪𝙜𝙝𝙩 it was impossible for him to lose - he deluded himself
in reality he lost everything at roulette - and rejoiced in the last letter when he was finished with gambling entirely
next, you're no doubt going to post that that is because he lost control or didn't quit while he was ahead and it would have been impossible for him to lose if he had not done that or some such nonsense
you totally missed the point - which is that the seductivity of gambling overwhelmed even the genius Dostoevsky
but as Gomer Pyle used to say - and would have said about you missing the point - 𝙨𝙪𝙧𝙥𝙧𝙞𝙨𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙧𝙥𝙧𝙞𝙨𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙧𝙥𝙧𝙞𝙨𝙚
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quite amazing - you didn't misquote me - but you took the message in the exact opposite way to how it should be taken
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LOL.... I noticed that, too. The point completely whooshed over his head, went out for a cup of coffee, and whooshed right back.
EvenBob, if your takeaway from Dostoevsky with regards to The Gambler is, "Yeah, that guy's got it figured out!" then... I mean, wow....
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it's hard to believe that Dostoevsky - a truly brilliant man - could write something like this which is contained in one of his letters:
" I have observed as I approached the gaming table that if one plays coolly, calmly and with calculation, it is quite impossible to lose! - I swear it is an absolute impossibility! It is blind chance pitted against my calculation; hence, I have an advantage over it."
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Thank you for posting this. He describes it very well, it's not that hard to gain an advantage. Blind chance against deliberate calculation will find you an edge on the even chances and from there you can improve on it. Problem is you have to know when it works and when it doesn't work, when the conditions are correct. And that takes time and observation and you cannot have a gambler's attitude of impatience and greed and I'm sure that was his downfall. You have to be satisfied with a small number of wins and what gambler can do that. I keep saying this over and over the biggest advantage is I have is I'm not a gambler, in fact I'm risk-averse. Gambling to me seems to be the worst way to use your money unless you have an advantage and then it's not gambling. It's investing.
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quite amazing - you didn't misquote me - but you took the message in the exact opposite way to how it should be taken
if you go back over the entire letters you will see that Dostoevsky only 𝙩𝙝𝙤𝙪𝙜𝙝𝙩 it was impossible for him to lose - he deluded himself
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I disagree. He wasn't deluding himself what he was saying was the truth. The reason he lost was he was a gambler and he didn't know when to quit and he didn't know how to control himself. He had the game by the balls and it was his weaknesses that did him in. Looks at the theme that you see in movies about gamblers over and over how they will have a scheme or just get lucky and have a huge winning streak hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars and immediately give it all back to the casino. That's their fatal flaw, they can make the money they just can't keep it. This is why it cracks me up when people keep saying that I have a gambling problem when the polar opposite is true. In all those years after the casinos opened in Michigan in the mid-90s I would have accompany my wife so we can eat at the buffet which were quite good in those days and so she could lose all her money in the slots. I never gambled, I would watch other people, I would sit in the sports bar, but the thought of gambling never even occurred to me. Money is far too expensive to be wasted that way. And 2004 quite by accident I started looking at roulette Marquis and I was beating it in my head and you know the rest of the story.
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quite amazing - you didn't misquote me - but you took the message in the exact opposite way to how it should be taken
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LOL.... I noticed that, too. The point completely whooshed over his head, went out for a cup of coffee, and whooshed right back.
EvenBob, if your takeaway from Dostoevsky with regards to The Gambler is, "Yeah, that guy's got it figured out!" then... I mean, wow....
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He was a gambling addict which has nothing to do with whether he could beat the game or not. Gambling addicts will always be on the losing end no matter what their game is. So I didn't miss the point at all, you're just incapable of seeing it from any other point then your own. One of the first things people usually ask me is why aren't I rich from playing roulette. It's a ridiculous question, why would I put in all that time, basically turn my life over to the game just for money. I was in my late fifties when I discovered this and into my sixties when I got good at it and by then already had everything I needed. If I'd been in my twenties it would have been a different story. If you haven't learned by 60 years old what's important in life and what isn't you have a major problem.
Quote: EvenBobRounded off the odds are always 50/50 but by making a non-random bet against random outcomes occasionally my edge is better then the casinos edge.
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The casino edge in Roulette is -5.26%.
Are you claiming that you can get an edge of between -5.26% and 0, or are you claiming you can get an edge of >0?
you thanked me for the post - but the post wasn't for you - I knew you wouldn't get it - just as sure as the night is dark
the post was for others
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So I didn't miss the point at all, you're just incapable of seeing it from any other point then your own.
Pot, meet kettle.
Quote:One of the first things people usually ask me is why aren't I rich from playing roulette. It's a ridiculous question, why would I put in all that time, basically turn my life over to the game just for money.
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What are you talking about? You wouldn't have to put in any more time than you are now to be fabulously wealthy. You would just have to make bigger bets. Your system is unbeatable, right? You win 100% of the time, right? So make some $1,000 bets. Or $10,000 bets. You could easily be making millions a year. If you don't need the money donate it it charity. You could singlehandedly change the world if what you are claiming is true.
The fact that you haven't done any of this is proof that you know your system doesn't work in the long run, and you are scared of losing money. There is literally no other explanation.
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you thanked me for the post - but the post wasn't for you - I knew you wouldn't get it - just as sure as the night is dark
the post was for others
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But I did get it, you just don't get that I got it. LOL
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it's hard to believe that Dostoevsky - a truly brilliant man - could write something like this which is contained in one of his letters:
" I have observed as I approached the gaming table that if one plays coolly, calmly and with calculation, it is quite impossible to lose! - I swear it is an absolute impossibility! It is blind chance pitted against my calculation; hence, I have an advantage over it."
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Thank you for posting this. He describes it very well, it's not that hard to gain an advantage. Blind chance against deliberate calculation will find you an edge on the even chances and from there you can improve on it. Problem is you have to know when it works and when it doesn't work, when the conditions are correct. And that takes time and observation and you cannot have a gambler's attitude of impatience and greed and I'm sure that was his downfall. You have to be satisfied with a small number of wins and what gambler can do that. I keep saying this over and over the biggest advantage is I have is I'm not a gambler, in fact I'm risk-averse. Gambling to me seems to be the worst way to use your money unless you have an advantage and then it's not gambling. It's investing.
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I agree. The main reason people lose vast sums is they keep throwing down chasing a large win or large comeback with an inadequate bankroll against an insufficient max bet. They could be playing a roulette wheel with NO 0 and still lose everything they have, session after session. For such players the risk of ruin is what gets them, not the house edge.
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Absolutely correct. I think the statistic is 60% of the people in the casino are ahead at some point during their visit but they don't remain that way they keep playing until they're losers. It's not the casino that beat them, they beat themselves. Just like Dostoevsky, he didn't have a chance. His addictive personality was his downfall. You might have the most perfect game in history but if you have that personality flaw you're screwed.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBobRounded off the odds are always 50/50 but by making a non-random bet against random outcomes occasionally my edge is better then the casinos edge.
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The casino edge in Roulette is -5.26%.
Are you claiming that you can get an edge of between -5.26% and 0, or are you claiming you can get an edge of >0?
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I don't understand the question.
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Quote:One of the first things people usually ask me is why aren't I rich from playing roulette. It's a ridiculous question, why would I put in all that time, basically turn my life over to the game just for money.
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What are you talking about? You wouldn't have to put in any more time than you are now to be fabulously wealthy. You would just have to make bigger bets.
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I wonder how many more times I'll have to explain this. Sigh. You cannot do that online, make bets in the thousands of dollars and get rich it will shut you down. It would have to be done in brick-and-mortar casinos and as I keep pointing out what I do is very sketchy in a land-based casino. The roulette wheel has to be playing my game or I can't bet. The best place for me is downtown Las Vegas because I can walk in between four or five different casinos and see a whole bunch of different wheels and usually one or two of them is playing my game. Otherwise it would involve a ton of traveling and a ton of time and a lot of frustration. That's the reason I started this thread, because now I can finally play from my house. I was practically a senior citizen when I discovered this and my days of naked ambition we're long gone. Now you'll say excuses excuses, and I'll say you do what you want and I'll do what I want. Or what you think you would do, because you don't have a winning method and never will have.
EB's massive outpouring of nonsense has significantly impacted this site in a negative way
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBobRounded off the odds are always 50/50 but by making a non-random bet against random outcomes occasionally my edge is better then the casinos edge.
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The casino edge in Roulette is -5.26%.
Are you claiming that you can get an edge of between -5.26% and 0, or are you claiming you can get an edge of >0?
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I don't understand the question.
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You said your edge is better than the casino's edge in certain circumstances.
The casino's edge in Roulette is -5.26%.
What do you estimate your edge to be in those certain circumstances? For example, -4.26%? -0.35%? +2.5%? Etc.?
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EB's massive outpouring of nonsense has significantly impacted this site in a negative way
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The mods don't seem to care. "Block him and move on" seems to be the typical response. But like you're implying, people will randomly stumble across this website from a Google search or something, see the nonsense posts, and get turned off from the site.
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EB's massive outpouring of nonsense has significantly impacted this site in a negative way
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It's not nonsense and your inability to understand it is the problem, not me.
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EB's massive outpouring of nonsense has significantly impacted this site in a negative way
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The mods don't seem to care. "Block him and move on" seems to be the typical response. But like you're implying, people will randomly stumble across this website from a Google search or something, see the nonsense posts, and get turned off from the site.
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I love it when people pretend to be so worried and so protective of other people. What baloney. You just don't agree with it so you think I should be cancelled because that's where we live now in society. It's not enough to block it you have to cancel it. Everything I'm talking about in this thread is absolutely true, like it or lump it.
I can solve this problem in multiple different ways. I know you will just reject or come up with some lame excuses why not to do those things. Now that's somthing I can make an educated guess at with 100% confidence.Quote: EvenBob
I wonder how many more times I'll have to explain this. Sigh. You cannot do that online, make bets in the thousands of dollars and get rich it will shut you down.
If you can do what you claim, I can make you a boatload of money in a very short period of time.
Alternatively, If you can do what you claim and you are confident, you can double or triple your entire net worth in a short period of time.
I can go on, but...
I know, you know, that you can't do what you claim; therefore, you will never allow yourself to be proven wrong.
