EvenBob
Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBob
I said black would be a good bet I didn't say it was coming next. Rounding off numbers there's always a 50/50 chance that it will be red. Doesn't matter if there's a hundred Reds in a row it's still 50/50 on the next bet. I never expect anything nor have I ever claimed to expect anything. I simply look for good places to bet and if I see 25 Reds in a row I would start looking for black. Because I'm only looking to make one unit I would wait until black appears a couple times and then bet black. If I was playing in a regular way after 25 Reds I would bet black and keep getting black until I was a few units ahead because from my experience in looking at thousands and thousands of outcomes Reds going to be done for a while. Maybe not, maybe it'll continue for another 25 but that has not been my experience yet.
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The post in which EvenBob admits he only has a ~50% chance of winning an Even money wager, and not 80% as previously claimed.
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Not what I said at all. There's always a 50-50 chance on even chance bets that it will be the opposite of what you're betting. That never goes away how could it. I look for very specific situations where in my experience I have a good chance of being right but that doesn't change the odds. I could never look at situation and say I'm 100% certain what's coming next that would be ridiculous. I'm never surprised when I'm not right but I'm never surprised when I am right either. Situational awareness is a very real thing.
"Situational awareness is the perception of environmental elements and events with respect to time or space, the comprehension of their meaning, and the projection of their future status" wiki
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I said black would be a good bet I didn't say it was coming next. Rounding off numbers there's always a 50/50 chance that it will be red. Doesn't matter if there's a hundred Reds in a row it's still 50/50 on the next bet. I never expect anything nor have I ever claimed to expect anything. I simply look for good places to bet and if I see 25 Reds in a row I would start looking for black. Because I'm only looking to make one unit I would wait until black appears a couple times and then bet black. If I was playing in a regular way after 25 Reds I would bet black and keep getting black until I was a few units ahead because from my experience in looking at thousands and thousands of outcomes Reds going to be done for a while. Maybe not, maybe it'll continue for another 25 but that has not been my experience yet.
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The post in which EvenBob admits he only has a ~50% chance of winning an Even money wager, and not 80% as previously claimed.
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Not what I said at all. There's always a 50-50 chance on even chance bets that it will be the opposite of what you're betting. That never goes away how could it. I look for very specific situations where in my experience I have a good chance of being right but that doesn't change the odds. I could never look at situation and say I'm 100% certain what's coming next that would be ridiculous. I'm never surprised when I'm not right but I'm never surprised when I am right either. Situational awareness is a very real thing.
"Situational awareness is the perception of environmental elements and events with respect to time or space, the comprehension of their meaning, and the projection of their future status" wiki
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The post in which EvenBob emphatically reiterates he only has a ~50% chance of winning an Even money wager, and not 80% as previously claimed.
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Just a reminder. EB does not win 80% of his even chance roulettes bets. EB does not pay his bills from roulette winnings. If EB actually plays on line roulette, of which there is absolutely no reason to believe he does, he would be a loser given the number of bets he alleges he has made.
EB will never allow any scrutiny because his claims are all make believe. There is NO REASON to believe a single claim he makes when it starts with ‘I win 80% of my even chance (which actually are LESS than even chance) bets.
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Quote: TigerWuThe funny part is, it's not even a good lie.
He's basically claiming the Gambler's Fallacy to get an unbeatable double-digit edge over the house.... Like, it's not even remotely plausible... LOL.... Usually system scammers are a little more coherent and logical, and you have to actually sit down and do some math to figure out why it won't work, or at least run a bunch of simulations.
EB's system is just pure nonsense from the get-go.... LOL... It's like he programmed an algorithm to just generate random sentences using gambling lingo, and let it loose in the forum.
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The post in which EvenBob emphatically reiterates he only has a ~50% chance of winning an Even money wager, and not 80% as previously claimed.
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That is not what I said and you know it. I said there's always a 50% chance that the outcome will be the opposite of what I bet. Just like flipping a coin. This is why I do not make predictions I make guesses. My guess is 80% accurate but the odds are 50%. Wrap your mind around that one. It's all about situational awareness, it's all about being extremely familiar with situations in the past and comparing them to the situation that's happening now. Because you're only dealing with 36 outcomes the situation's have a tendency to repeat themselves over and over and over. This is not that complicated to understand. Somebody pointed out I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you. The drumbeat of your constant confirmation bias clouds your ability to make good decisions in this matter.
Quote: EvenBobMy guess is 80% accurate but the odds are 50%.
Quote:This is not that complicated to understand.
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I agree. It isn't complicated at all to understand your supposed system and why it doesn't work.
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EB will never allow any scrutiny because his claims are all make believe.Quote: TigerWuThe funny part is, it's not even a good lie.
The OP has the freedom to speak and others have the freedom to ignore him or to say that you don't believe his statements are true.
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Is that not what SOOPOO and I just did? Were we not "attacking the writing, and not the writer?"
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We can't insult via ad hominem attack, but we can mock, make fun of, hoot, jeer and laugh at ridiculous claims made, right?
IOW, it's cool to insult the message, not the messenger, correct?
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Quote: EvenBobMy guess is 80% accurate but the odds are 50%.
A professional horse race bettor can do his homework and make a living betting on horses where the odds are always against him. If he does the due diligence on a certain horse that's 20 to 1 odds and that horse wins did he change the odds? No. But he still won because he knew things that the odds makers did not know on that particular horse and on that particular race on that particular day. What I do is no different. The odds are always 50/50 rounded off but because I'm an expert at situational awareness in roulette at different times I have an 80% chance of being correct at online live roulette wheels.
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We can't insult via ad hominem attack, but we can mock, make fun of, hoot, jeer and laugh at ridiculous claims made, right?
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IOW, it's cool to insult the message, not the messenger, correct?
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That is basically correct. However, also remember that Wizard has suggested that you should be polite and civil, and to take that as a guideline. (altho we don't punish people for being impolite, as a general rule.)
At what point does mocking, making fun of, hooting, jeering and laughing at ridiculous claims become over-kill and counterproductive? Consider that if the biggest part of your contribution to the forum is mocking, making fun of, hooting and jeering then at some point you diminish yourself as well as your target. We have had 100 pages of this mocking, hooting and jeering. I can't prevent you-all from mocking, hooting and jeering for another 1000 pages, but as a friend I can politely suggest that there is more to life than this flippity-flop thread.
You mean it’s always a 47% chance (00 wheel, rounded)Quote: EvenBob
I said black would be a good bet I didn't say it was coming next. Rounding off numbers there's always a 50/50 chance that it will be red. Doesn't matter if there's a hundred Reds in a row it's still 50/50 on the next bet.
I’ll make it easy for them.
These are my basic statements of fact.
1. EvenBob does not win 80% of his even chance bets. He states he does. One of us is lying.
2. EvenBob says he pays his bills and has for years using his roulette winnings. I say he doesn’t. One of us is lying.
I am not saying maybe. Just like I am saying no one member has witnessed 18 yo’s in a row as a FACT, my claims about EB have the same weight.
Given the way I make my clear statements of fact, if you choose to suspend me for it, that’s your call. I think your moderating skills could be better used to determine if someone is trolling the forum, than to suspend me for basically saying what we ALL know.
Either it’s a suspendable offense to call something fiction when the poster claims it is the truth or it isn’t.
Quote: unJonPeople have gotten suspended for calling MDawg a fiction writer. Mods are just applying those rules to this thread.
Either it’s a suspendable offense to call something fiction when the poster claims it is the truth or it isn’t.
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Agree. Bob has said what I have written is fiction many times. Why is my statement that NO ONE can win 80% of even chance roulette bets not the simple statement of fact? And Bob’s claim that he does is clearly the proof he is calling me a liar? Seems simple to me?
Quote: SOOPOOI see a moderator has suggested I have committed an offense that might warrant suspension.
I’ll make it easy for them.
These are my basic statements of fact.
1. EvenBob does not win 80% of his even chance bets. He states he does. One of us is lying.
2. EvenBob says he pays his bills and has for years using his roulette winnings. I say he doesn’t. One of us is lying.
I am not saying maybe. Just like I am saying no one member has witnessed 18 yo’s in a row as a FACT, my claims about EB have the same weight.
Given the way I make my clear statements of fact, if you choose to suspend me for it, that’s your call. I think your moderating skills could be better used to determine if someone is trolling the forum, than to suspend me for basically saying what we ALL know.
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But they are not facts you have no facts all you have is speculation and wishful thinking and you know it. Your claims carry no weight whatsoever. Why a smart guy like you calls them facts is a mystery. Why can't you just say this is my opinion or this is what I speculate, calling them facts just makes it look like you have a credibility problem. You act like I just showed up here when in actuality I've been around here talking about this stuff since 2010. And I haven't changed all I got is more vehement about it. Because I do it everyday and I'll be doing it tonight. Playing at an online casino and making a unit if the games are in my favor.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: unJonPeople have gotten suspended for calling MDawg a fiction writer. Mods are just applying those rules to this thread.
Either it’s a suspendable offense to call something fiction when the poster claims it is the truth or it isn’t.
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Agree. Bob has said what I have written is fiction many times. Why is my statement that NO ONE can win 80% of even chance roulette bets not the simple statement of fact? And Bob’s claim that he does is clearly the proof he is calling me a liar? Seems simple to me?
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The simple statement of fact is you can't do it so you think nobody can do it. You are applying what's true for you to everybody else. How does a guy betting on a 20 to 1 horse gather enough information on that race that it gives him an edge and he beats the odds. He didn't change the odds but for that one race he beat them. Do you think that doesn't happen too? It's amazing what you can do with a little education once in awhile, you can overcome the odds. Not every time but sometimes.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: SOOPOOQuote: unJonPeople have gotten suspended for calling MDawg a fiction writer. Mods are just applying those rules to this thread.
Either it’s a suspendable offense to call something fiction when the poster claims it is the truth or it isn’t.
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Agree. Bob has said what I have written is fiction many times. Why is my statement that NO ONE can win 80% of even chance roulette bets not the simple statement of fact? And Bob’s claim that he does is clearly the proof he is calling me a liar? Seems simple to me?
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The simple statement of fact is you can't do it so you think nobody can do it. You are applying what's true for you to everybody else. How does a guy betting on a 20 to 1 horse gather enough information on that race that it gives him an edge and he beats the odds. He didn't change the odds but for that one race he beat them. Do you think that doesn't happen too? It's amazing what you can do with a little education once in awhile, you can overcome the odds. Not every time but sometimes.
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Once again, your post makes absolutely no sense. Comparing horse racing to roulette is just plain ridiculous. Previous performances of horses IS indicative of future performances. Previous performance (numbers filled) is NOT indicative of future numbers filled.
It is certainly reasonable to think it is possible for someone to analyze the horse’s performance, jockey selected, track conditions in such a way as to beat the house take, as they are competing with the rest of the general public, not a heartless wheel and ball.
I think I’ll be self suspending from this thread for 3 days, resuming here Monday evening. This way I’m prepared if I get suspended, anyway. I’d be willing to leave the thread permanently if EB would agree to resuming posting his food pics and stories.
Quote: SOOPOOOnce again, your post makes absolutely no sense. Comparing horse racing to roulette is just plain ridiculous. Previous performances of horses IS indicative of future performances. Previous performance (numbers filled) is NOT indicative of future numbers filled.
That's where you are wrong. Learning how to read the random outcomes will give you enough information eventually to make an educated guess as to the next outcome. It will give you the opportunity to make a non-random bet against random numbers
Quote:I think I’ll be self suspending from this thread for 3 days, resuming here Monday evening. This way I’m prepared if I get suspended, anyway. I’d be willing to leave the thread permanently if EB would agree to resuming posting his food pics and stories.
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I will never post in another food thread on this forum or the other one because there were just too many haters I don't have time for it. I have a men's Keto Facebook page that I post on where I get nothing but favorable reviews. You might as well just block this thread permanently because I'm never going to change why would I give up something that's been working since 2004 just because you don't like it. Get real. And people here from GG know I've been talking about this since 2006. What would be my possible gain from doing that if I wasn't actually doing what I say I'm doing. I would have to be a nutcase and I certainly have enough posts on this forum to show that I'm not a nutcase.
Quote: JackSpadeLet's all agree to end this thread permanently since clearly nobody stands to gain anything from it anymore. Continuing to participate in it is the equivalent of chasing losses that will never be recovered.
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Because you don't like it it should be ended? Just end it for yourself and be happy with your decision don't try and cancel it for everybody else. At last count I had over 500 blocked threads on this forum. And that was years ago I can't imagine how many I have now I've already blocked two dozen threads since I came back.
1) His wagers are indeed a 50/50 (less the zero) proposition every single spin.
Answer:. True. And EB admits this
2) There are patterns to be discerned in past results but their worth is only in EB's head.
Answer: I think we all agree on this. Even EB agrees
3) Nonetheless EB can use these patterns to make decisions on the next spin.
Answer:. True! In fact most Roulette gamblers do this. If you see 25 reds, most Roulette gamblers will bet black next. This past information is worthless since the spins are all independent. But EB can still make decisions based on this faulty information.
4) EB calls this "educated guessing", his term.
Answer:. True but with a caveat. Most people consider"educated guessing" to be when you use information that's VALUABLE to make a guess.
For example you walk into a room with a husband shot, the wife standing over his dead body with a smoking gun. Educated guess? She just shot her husband. However could be she walked in, found him dead and picked up the gun in shock.
Still that's a logical educated guess. EB seems to think just because HE HAS INFORMATION, then that information is worth something in his decision making. That's a bad judgement call on his part.
In the end EB just guesses plain and simple like everyone else.
5) EB claims 80% wins outright and 20% he loses outright and has to wager more spins to make one unit profit.
He flat bets so one loss means 3 spins to profit. Two losses would require 5. 3 losses 7.
If we assume for 7 spins 5% of the 500 sessions that means 25 losing spins needed six more to profit. 25×7=175. That is 175 spins to make a profit 25 times.
Assume 5% also for the five extra spins and 25×5=125 spins to make 25 units. Assume 10% for 3 spins 50×3=150 spins to make a profit.
175+125+150+400=850 spins to make 500 units profit.
It looks to me like we are starting to achieve close enough that he may just be lucky and believes he has found something.
Let's put this in perspective. EB has won 500 units in a year and a half. Approximately one unit a day making practically one wager a day.
At 90 spins an hour a continuous four hours session (what Casinos consider standard for time needed for most players to lose their bankroll) would be 360 spins
If we look at 360 spins as one days gambling and EB has only made about 850 spins, (albeit over a year and a half period), then EB is technically just finished gambling his 2nd day at the casino.
I have experienced two winning consecutive days in a row. At one spin a day EB may very well be within his two days lucky streak. Obviously he is just having a single session with "24 hour breaks".
As time goes on, EB the house edge will take over but at one spin a day it's going to take a looong time to get noticed.
Ever watch those lottery winners who brag to the reporters "I KNEW THOSE WERE MY NUMBERS. I KNEW I WAS GOING TO WIN. I FELT IT."
Yes, it's all nonsense but try telling the winner he is wrong. He just got lucky. It's a human foible to believe you have influence when you don't.
This isn't the ultimate Troll thread but it is the ultimate Ploppy thread. A Ploppy who knows advantage player's exist because he reads about them believes he too is an AP because he has had a lucky streak for a year and a half with game play that really amounts to less than two full days.
EB real advantage? Being so old maybe he will pass away before he gives it all back. And then he can chuckle to the grave that he showed everyone he was a lifetime winner.
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The simple statement of fact is you can't do it so you think nobody can do it.
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Quote: EvenBobBut they are not facts you have no facts all you have is speculation and wishful thinking and you know it. Your claims carry no weight whatsoever.
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To the best of my knowledge, we have seen no evidence.
A lot of people would really like to know if you're onto something.
We are of little faith. We've seen too many charlatans.
Quote: DieterQuote: EvenBobBut they are not facts you have no facts all you have is speculation and wishful thinking and you know it. Your claims carry no weight whatsoever.
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To the best of my knowledge, we have seen no evidence.
A lot of people would really like to know if you're onto something.
We are of little faith. We've seen too many charlatans.
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All you have to do is study it for a while and get your foot in the door. By a while I don't mean 2 hours or 2 days I mean every day for a month. And you have to have at least a neutral attitude if you have an attitude that it won't work then for you it's not going to work. A negative attitude always gets you negative results. When I started roulette I had absolutely no idea that I was not supposed to be able to do this. In fact I thought this is what everybody did to beat the game that's how naive I was. It wasn't until I was doing this for a year that I went on a gambling forum and was told that I can't do this. By then it was way too late. I had the most open mind anybody's ever going to have because I didn't know any better.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: DieterQuote: EvenBobBut they are not facts you have no facts all you have is speculation and wishful thinking and you know it. Your claims carry no weight whatsoever.
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To the best of my knowledge, we have seen no evidence.
A lot of people would really like to know if you're onto something.
We are of little faith. We've seen too many charlatans.
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All you have to do is study it for a while and get your foot in the door. By a while I don't mean 2 hours or 2 days I mean every day for a month. And you have to have at least a neutral attitude if you have an attitude that it won't work then for you it's not going to work. A negative attitude always gets you negative results. When I started roulette I had absolutely no idea that I was not supposed to be able to do this. In fact I thought this is what everybody did to beat the game that's how naive I was. It wasn't until I was doing this for a year that I went on a gambling forum and was told that I can't do this. By then it was way too late. I had the most open mind anybody's ever going to have because I didn't know any better.
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You say you've got a Golden Goose.
I'd simply like to see some evidence of the incredible eggs before I go tracking down one of my own and getting a permit to keep it in the city.
“I have the secret to beating the system which (ipso facto) goes against everything you all understand to be true. I will not prove my results to you to back up my statements (trust me bro).”
Back to Einstein: “I noodled some stuff about space and time that upends how you guys understand the universe. No equations coming - just think about it for a month with an open mind and you’ll get it.”
How many Roulette players have ever tried to crack the code by looking for patterns? Millions? EB says just try what he’s saying as though that’s never been attempted by anyone else.
If you’re going to claim you’ve had an experience that contradicts the known laws of nature, and you have the means to prove it, and you want others to know about it, then you have to bring the evidence. Post 1 of the thread should have been: “Check out these results ye mortals. Maybe I’ll share some of how I do it, maybe I won’t… but as you can see, I am as a God.”
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If we look at 360 spins as one days gambling and EB has only made about 850 spins, (albeit over a year and a half period), then EB is technically just finished gambling his 2nd day at the casino.
I have experienced two winning consecutive days in a row. At one spin a day EB may very well be within his two days lucky streak. Obviously he is just having a single session with "24 hour breaks".
As time goes on, EB the house edge will take over but at one spin a day it's going to take a looong time to get noticed.
Ever watch those lottery winners who brag to the reporters "I KNEW THOSE WERE MY NUMBERS. I KNEW I WAS GOING TO WIN. I FELT IT."
Yes, it's all nonsense but try telling the winner he is wrong. He just got lucky. It's a human foible to believe you have influence when you don't.
This isn't the ultimate Troll thread but it is the ultimate Ploppy thread. A Ploppy who knows advantage player's exist because he reads about them believes he too is an AP because he has had a lucky streak for a year and a half with game play that really amounts to less than two full days.
EB real advantage? Being so old maybe he will pass away before he gives it all back. And then he can chuckle to the grave that he showed everyone he was a lifetime winner.
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Interesting conclusions.... you may be right, the more I think about it. But hasn't EB said he's been doing this since 2006? How many "casino days" would that be? Still low enough for him to consider it an "unbeatable system" and for him to be a "lifetime winner?"
Ultimate ploppy thread.... that's definitely the case.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: darkoz..........
If we look at 360 spins as one days gambling and EB has only made about 850 spins, (albeit over a year and a half period), then EB is technically just finished gambling his 2nd day at the casino.
I have experienced two winning consecutive days in a row. At one spin a day EB may very well be within his two days lucky streak. Obviously he is just having a single session with "24 hour breaks".
As time goes on, EB the house edge will take over but at one spin a day it's going to take a looong time to get noticed.
Ever watch those lottery winners who brag to the reporters "I KNEW THOSE WERE MY NUMBERS. I KNEW I WAS GOING TO WIN. I FELT IT."
Yes, it's all nonsense but try telling the winner he is wrong. He just got lucky. It's a human foible to believe you have influence when you don't.
This isn't the ultimate Troll thread but it is the ultimate Ploppy thread. A Ploppy who knows advantage player's exist because he reads about them believes he too is an AP because he has had a lucky streak for a year and a half with game play that really amounts to less than two full days.
EB real advantage? Being so old maybe he will pass away before he gives it all back. And then he can chuckle to the grave that he showed everyone he was a lifetime winner.
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Interesting conclusions.... you may be right, the more I think about it. But hasn't EB said he's been doing this since 2006? How many "casino days" would that be? Still low enough for him to consider it an "unbeatable system" and for him to be a "lifetime winner?"
Ultimate ploppy thread.... that's definitely the case.
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I took the 2006 land based comments into consideration.
He says he can't concentrate more than an hour at them and with traveling I think it's quite probable he barely went. If he went four days a month I would be surprised. Note he doesn't live in a gambling mecca like Vegas or Tahoe or Reno.
Chances are that if he traveled a few times to a brick and mortar and made one wager and left he might be lucky enough to survive it.
Note he claims the brick and mortar didn't really work. That's why his governor"saved him" and all that rot with online gambling changing his life.
Quote: darkozWell let me sum up that in my opinion EB may not be lying. Let's look fully at his statements.
5) EB claims 80% wins outright and 20% he loses outright and has to wager more spins to make one unit profit.
He flat bets so one loss means 3 spins to profit. Two losses would require 5. 3 losses 7.
If we assume for 7 spins 5% of the 500 sessions that means 25 losing spins needed six more to profit. 25×7=175. That is 175 spins to make a profit 25 times.
Assume 5% also for the five extra spins and 25×5=125 spins to make 25 units. Assume 10% for 3 spins 50×3=150 spins to make a profit.
175+125+150+400=850 spins to make 500 units profit.
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I have read a lot of post in this thread and this was also my conclusion, be ahead 500 units over 850 spins could be luck. Anyway the chance of this happens it´s very very slow. That numbers it´s a yield of 58.8% (500/850). For example one of the best sport gamblers of the history Billy Walters has a yield of around 6% over 1000´s of bets.
DarkOz, dou you think if EB mantein this numbers over 10.000 spins instead of 850 this will be also luck or maybe he could have an advantage?
Cheers.
Quote: CristobalQuote: darkozWell let me sum up that in my opinion EB may not be lying. Let's look fully at his statements.
5) EB claims 80% wins outright and 20% he loses outright and has to wager more spins to make one unit profit.
He flat bets so one loss means 3 spins to profit. Two losses would require 5. 3 losses 7.
If we assume for 7 spins 5% of the 500 sessions that means 25 losing spins needed six more to profit. 25×7=175. That is 175 spins to make a profit 25 times.
Assume 5% also for the five extra spins and 25×5=125 spins to make 25 units. Assume 10% for 3 spins 50×3=150 spins to make a profit.
175+125+150+400=850 spins to make 500 units profit.
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I have read a lot of post in this thread and this was also my conclusion, be ahead 500 units over 850 spins could be luck. Anyway the chance of this happens it´s very very slow. That numbers it´s a yield of 58.8% (500/850). For example one of the best sport gamblers of the history Billy Walters has a yield of around 6% over 1000´s of bets.
DarkOz, dou you think if EB mantein this numbers over 10.000 spins instead of 850 this will be also luck or maybe he could have an advantage?
Cheers.
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The biggest problem is whether EB can be trusted with the truth. Over this thread alone he has made many contradictory statements sometimes even in the same paragraph.
Part of it seems a misunderstanding of terminology.
I also don't want to say he doesn't have a true advantage. But it's certainly not the way he describes it. What he describes if just guessing and Ploppy mentality. If he has a real advantage he isn't saying what it is.
I sat next to a slots player once who rubbed her screen in exactly the same sweeping motion every spin. She confided in me that she wins more This way. Yes, when swiping crossways a plastic screen works I will try it too. In the meantime she just has a belief based on some memorably favorable results.
One more thing to consider is EB claims to flat bet but ALSO that he bets different amounts per session. This to me sounds suspect.
If you take one wager for $50 and lose and then the next day do $100 and win technically you did a martingale. The lapse of time is meaningless.
He may simply be doing an old fashioned martingale and those can artificially keep you winning a long time. Note that BOTH EB and the Martingale share something in common. They both seek to profit one unit.
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If you take one wager for $50 and lose and then the next day do $100 and win technically you did a martingale. The lapse of time is meaningless.
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I believe he has said he has a 100% session win rate, and also that if he loses a bet he will just keep (flat) betting until he has a net win before closing down the session.
That would mean he technically can't be Martingaling, because even though the unit amount changes from session to session, he is never down any amount between those sessions.
I.e., if he loses a $50 wager, he won't wait until the next session to bet $100 and win it back. He will keep flat betting $50 until he is up $50 overall, and then quit.
Quote: darkozQuote: CristobalQuote: darkozWell let me sum up that in my opinion EB may not be lying. Let's look fully at his statements.
5) EB claims 80% wins outright and 20% he loses outright and has to wager more spins to make one unit profit.
He flat bets so one loss means 3 spins to profit. Two losses would require 5. 3 losses 7.
If we assume for 7 spins 5% of the 500 sessions that means 25 losing spins needed six more to profit. 25×7=175. That is 175 spins to make a profit 25 times.
Assume 5% also for the five extra spins and 25×5=125 spins to make 25 units. Assume 10% for 3 spins 50×3=150 spins to make a profit.
175+125+150+400=850 spins to make 500 units profit.
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I have read a lot of post in this thread and this was also my conclusion, be ahead 500 units over 850 spins could be luck. Anyway the chance of this happens it´s very very slow. That numbers it´s a yield of 58.8% (500/850). For example one of the best sport gamblers of the history Billy Walters has a yield of around 6% over 1000´s of bets.
DarkOz, dou you think if EB mantein this numbers over 10.000 spins instead of 850 this will be also luck or maybe he could have an advantage?
Cheers.
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The biggest problem is whether EB can be trusted with the truth. Over this thread alone he has made many contradictory statements sometimes even in the same paragraph.
Part of it seems a misunderstanding of terminology.
I also don't want to say he doesn't have a true advantage. But it's certainly not the way he describes it. What he describes if just guessing and Ploppy mentality. If he has a real advantage he isn't saying what it is.
I sat next to a slots player once who rubbed her screen in exactly the same sweeping motion every spin. She confided in me that she wins more This way. Yes, when swiping crossways a plastic screen works I will try it too. In the meantime she just has a belief based on some memorably favorable results.
One more thing to consider is EB claims to flat bet but ALSO that he bets different amounts per session. This to me sounds suspect.
If you take one wager for $50 and lose and then the next day do $100 and win technically you did a martingale. The lapse of time is meaningless.
He may simply be doing an old fashioned martingale and those can artificially keep you winning a long time. Note that BOTH EB and the Martingale share something in common. They both seek to profit one unit.
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Thanks for your answer. But let´s say that he really do 500 units over 850 spins (I am not doubt it). If he in the future do 5000 units over 8500 spins you will still think that this is only luck or variance or you should think that he really has some kind of advantage?
Thanks again.
Quote: GoVolsThis is the crux of it and has been all along.
“I have the secret to beating the system which (ipso facto) goes against everything you all understand to be true. I will not prove my results to you to back up my statements (trust me bro).”
Back to Einstein: “I noodled some stuff about space and time that upends how you guys understand the universe. No equations coming - just think about it for a month with an open mind and you’ll get it.”
How many Roulette players have ever tried to crack the code by looking for patterns? Millions? EB says just try what he’s saying as though that’s never been attempted by anyone else.
If you’re going to claim you’ve had an experience that contradicts the known laws of nature, and you have the means to prove it, and you want others to know about it, then you have to bring the evidence. Post 1 of the thread should have been: “Check out these results ye mortals. Maybe I’ll share some of how I do it, maybe I won’t… but as you can see, I am as a God.”
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Never said or implied that what I do breaks the laws of nature. More blah blah of somebody putting their own wrong interpretation on what I do. All I do is find a way to occasionally bet non randomly against random outcomes which is not breaking any laws that I know of. It's breaking assumptions which last time I looked are not laws of nature.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: darkoz
If you take one wager for $50 and lose and then the next day do $100 and win technically you did a martingale. The lapse of time is meaningless.
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I believe he has said he has a 100% session win rate, and also that if he loses a bet he will just keep (flat) betting until he has a net win before closing down the session.
That would mean he technically can't be Martingaling, because even though the unit amount changes from session to session, he is never down any amount between those sessions.
I.e., if he loses a $50 wager, he won't wait until the next session to bet $100 and win it back. He will keep flat betting $50 until he is up $50 overall, and then quit.
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Like I said in that post he says contradictory things.
He waits for the pattern to show him when to make a spin. If he is wrong (and that's 20% of the time) just wagering on each and every successive spin does NOT appear to be using any pattern. Clearly his divination of the pattern was already wrong and he is just, hmmm, gambling.
So still a lot of things that don't make sense. Of course that's what he wants because otherwise every one sees through him.
Quote: EvenBob
Never said or implied that what I do breaks the laws of nature.
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Yes you did. You said you have an 80% win rate on a wager that should only have a 47% win rate.
Quote: darkozWell let me sum up that in my opinion EB may not be lying. Let's look fully at his statements.
1) His wagers are indeed a 50/50 (less the zero) proposition every single spin.
Answer:. True. And EB admits this
2) There are patterns to be discerned in past results but their worth is only in EB's head.
Answer: I think we all agree on this. Even EB agrees
3) Nonetheless EB can use these patterns to make decisions on the next spin.
Answer:. True! In fact most Roulette gamblers do this. If you see 25 reds, most Roulette gamblers will bet black next. This past information is worthless since the spins are all independent. But EB can still make decisions based on this faulty information.
4) EB calls this "educated guessing", his term.
Answer:. True but with a caveat. Most people consider"educated guessing" to be when you use information that's VALUABLE to make a guess.
For example you walk into a room with a husband shot, the wife standing over his dead body with a smoking gun. Educated guess? She just shot her husband. However could be she walked in, found him dead and picked up the gun in shock.
Still that's a logical educated guess. EB seems to think just because HE HAS INFORMATION, then that information is worth something in his decision making. That's a bad judgement call on his part.
In the end EB just guesses plain and simple like everyone else.
5) EB claims 80% wins outright and 20% he loses outright and has to wager more spins to make one unit profit.
He flat bets so one loss means 3 spins to profit. Two losses would require 5. 3 losses 7.
If we assume for 7 spins 5% of the 500 sessions that means 25 losing spins needed six more to profit. 25×7=175. That is 175 spins to make a profit 25 times.
Assume 5% also for the five extra spins and 25×5=125 spins to make 25 units. Assume 10% for 3 spins 50×3=150 spins to make a profit.
175+125+150+400=850 spins to make 500 units profit.
It looks to me like we are starting to achieve close enough that he may just be lucky and believes he has found something.
Let's put this in perspective. EB has won 500 units in a year and a half. Approximately one unit a day making practically one wager a day.
At 90 spins an hour a continuous four hours session (what Casinos consider standard for time needed for most players to lose their bankroll) would be 360 spins
If we look at 360 spins as one days gambling and EB has only made about 850 spins, (albeit over a year and a half period), then EB is technically just finished gambling his 2nd day at the casino.
I have experienced two winning consecutive days in a row. At one spin a day EB may very well be within his two days lucky streak. Obviously he is just having a single session with "24 hour breaks".
As time goes on, EB the house edge will take over but at one spin a day it's going to take a looong time to get noticed.
Ever watch those lottery winners who brag to the reporters "I KNEW THOSE WERE MY NUMBERS. I KNEW I WAS GOING TO WIN. I FELT IT."
Yes, it's all nonsense but try telling the winner he is wrong. He just got lucky. It's a human foible to believe you have influence when you don't.
This isn't the ultimate Troll thread but it is the ultimate Ploppy thread. A Ploppy who knows advantage player's exist because he reads about them believes he too is an AP because he has had a lucky streak for a year and a half with game play that really amounts to less than two full days.
EB real advantage? Being so old maybe he will pass away before he gives it all back. And then he can chuckle to the grave that he showed everyone he was a lifetime winner.
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More speculative blah blah not worth my time answering. It's the weekend and it's a nice day and I got work to do on my garage and got no time to pick apart everything that's wrong with this post which is most of it. So believe what you want, like I can stop you. You would not believe the truth if it was forced on you.
Quote: darkozQuote: TigerWuQuote: darkoz..........
If we look at 360 spins as one days gambling and EB has only made about 850 spins, (albeit over a year and a half period), then EB is technically just finished gambling his 2nd day at the casino.
I have experienced two winning consecutive days in a row. At one spin a day EB may very well be within his two days lucky streak. Obviously he is just having a single session with "24 hour breaks".
As time goes on, EB the house edge will take over but at one spin a day it's going to take a looong time to get noticed.
Ever watch those lottery winners who brag to the reporters "I KNEW THOSE WERE MY NUMBERS. I KNEW I WAS GOING TO WIN. I FELT IT."
Yes, it's all nonsense but try telling the winner he is wrong. He just got lucky. It's a human foible to believe you have influence when you don't.
This isn't the ultimate Troll thread but it is the ultimate Ploppy thread. A Ploppy who knows advantage player's exist because he reads about them believes he too is an AP because he has had a lucky streak for a year and a half with game play that really amounts to less than two full days.
EB real advantage? Being so old maybe he will pass away before he gives it all back. And then he can chuckle to the grave that he showed everyone he was a lifetime winner.
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Interesting conclusions.... you may be right, the more I think about it. But hasn't EB said he's been doing this since 2006? How many "casino days" would that be? Still low enough for him to consider it an "unbeatable system" and for him to be a "lifetime winner?"
Ultimate ploppy thread.... that's definitely the case.
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I took the 2006 land based comments into consideration.
He says he can't concentrate more than an hour at them and with traveling I think it's quite probable he barely went. If he went four days a month I would be surprised. Note he doesn't live in a gambling mecca like Vegas or Tahoe or Reno.
Chances are that if he traveled a few times to a brick and mortar and made one wager and left he might be lucky enough to survive it.
Note he claims the brick and mortar didn't really work. That's why his governor"saved him" and all that rot with online gambling changing his life.
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More wrong speculation that I have no time or desire to address. All I'd be doing is repeating myself.
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More wrong speculation that I have no time or desire to address. All I'd be doing is repeating myself.
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"No time or desire to address" he says as his own thread tops 100 pages....
Quote: CristobalQuote: darkozWell let me sum up that in my opinion EB may not be lying. Let's look fully at his statements.
5) EB claims 80% wins outright and 20% he loses outright and has to wager more spins to make one unit profit.
He flat bets so one loss means 3 spins to profit. Two losses would require 5. 3 losses 7.
If we assume for 7 spins 5% of the 500 sessions that means 25 losing spins needed six more to profit. 25×7=175. That is 175 spins to make a profit 25 times.
Assume 5% also for the five extra spins and 25×5=125 spins to make 25 units. Assume 10% for 3 spins 50×3=150 spins to make a profit.
175+125+150+400=850 spins to make 500 units profit.
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I have read a lot of post in this thread and this was also my conclusion, be ahead 500 units over 850 spins could be luck. Anyway the chance of this happens it´s very very slow. That numbers it´s a yield of 58.8% (500/850). For example one of the best sport gamblers of the history Billy Walters has a yield of around 6% over 1000´s of bets.
DarkOz, dou you think if EB mantein this numbers over 10.000 spins instead of 850 this will be also luck or maybe he could have an advantage?
Cheers.
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And this is exactly why you don't see any proof of what I do. Because I already know from past experience that everybody would call it luck. I've been through that I'm not going through it again. The only way anybody will ever prove this is true is by doing it themselves and proving it that way. I could show people in person and they would say it's luck because I've done that. I could post statements from online casinos till the cows come home and most of you would say that I'm fudging them. I could accept some convoluted challenge and you were all say I just got lucky. Because that's what it looks like when somebody wins consistently, and your confirmation bias will not let you accept anything else. The only thing it will accept is if you're doing it yourself and because this is hard to learn almost nobody will do that.
Quote: TigerWuDarkOz (potentially) explaining EB's Roulette system in one post better than EB could do in 100 pages.... LOL....
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He's a fantasy writer, remember? He's good at making crap up. Well he's not good at it but, he knows how to do it.
Quote: darkozQuote: CristobalQuote: darkozWell let me sum up that in my opinion EB may not be lying. Let's look fully at his statements.
5) EB claims 80% wins outright and 20% he loses outright and has to wager more spins to make one unit profit.
He flat bets so one loss means 3 spins to profit. Two losses would require 5. 3 losses 7.
If we assume for 7 spins 5% of the 500 sessions that means 25 losing spins needed six more to profit. 25×7=175. That is 175 spins to make a profit 25 times.
Assume 5% also for the five extra spins and 25×5=125 spins to make 25 units. Assume 10% for 3 spins 50×3=150 spins to make a profit.
175+125+150+400=850 spins to make 500 units profit.
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I have read a lot of post in this thread and this was also my conclusion, be ahead 500 units over 850 spins could be luck. Anyway the chance of this happens it´s very very slow. That numbers it´s a yield of 58.8% (500/850). For example one of the best sport gamblers of the history Billy Walters has a yield of around 6% over 1000´s of bets.
DarkOz, dou you think if EB mantein this numbers over 10.000 spins instead of 850 this will be also luck or maybe he could have an advantage?
Cheers.
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The biggest problem is whether EB can be trusted with the truth. Over this thread alone he has made many contradictory statements sometimes even in the same paragraph.
Part of it seems a misunderstanding of terminology.
I also don't want to say he doesn't have a true advantage. But it's certainly not the way he describes it. What he describes if just guessing and Ploppy mentality. If he has a real advantage he isn't saying what it is.
I sat next to a slots player once who rubbed her screen in exactly the same sweeping motion every spin. She confided in me that she wins more This way. Yes, when swiping crossways a plastic screen works I will try it too. In the meantime she just has a belief based on some memorably favorable results.
One more thing to consider is EB claims to flat bet but ALSO that he bets different amounts per session. This to me sounds suspect.
If you take one wager for $50 and lose and then the next day do $100 and win technically you did a martingale. The lapse of time is meaningless.
He may simply be doing an old fashioned martingale and those can artificially keep you winning a long time. Note that BOTH EB and the Martingale share something in common. They both seek to profit one unit.
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Speculative blah blah, moving on.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: darkoz
If you take one wager for $50 and lose and then the next day do $100 and win technically you did a martingale. The lapse of time is meaningless.
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I believe he has said he has a 100% session win rate, and also that if he loses a bet he will just keep (flat) betting until he has a net win before closing down the session.
That would mean he technically can't be Martingaling, because even though the unit amount changes from session to session, he is never down any amount between those sessions.
I.e., if he loses a $50 wager, he won't wait until the next session to bet $100 and win it back. He will keep flat betting $50 until he is up $50 overall, and then quit.
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Blah blah blah blah blah. And boring blah at that.
Quote: CristobalQuote: darkozQuote: CristobalQuote: darkozWell let me sum up that in my opinion EB may not be lying. Let's look fully at his statements.
5) EB claims 80% wins outright and 20% he loses outright and has to wager more spins to make one unit profit.
He flat bets so one loss means 3 spins to profit. Two losses would require 5. 3 losses 7.
If we assume for 7 spins 5% of the 500 sessions that means 25 losing spins needed six more to profit. 25×7=175. That is 175 spins to make a profit 25 times.
Assume 5% also for the five extra spins and 25×5=125 spins to make 25 units. Assume 10% for 3 spins 50×3=150 spins to make a profit.
175+125+150+400=850 spins to make 500 units profit.
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I have read a lot of post in this thread and this was also my conclusion, be ahead 500 units over 850 spins could be luck. Anyway the chance of this happens it´s very very slow. That numbers it´s a yield of 58.8% (500/850). For example one of the best sport gamblers of the history Billy Walters has a yield of around 6% over 1000´s of bets.
DarkOz, dou you think if EB mantein this numbers over 10.000 spins instead of 850 this will be also luck or maybe he could have an advantage?
Cheers.
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The biggest problem is whether EB can be trusted with the truth. Over this thread alone he has made many contradictory statements sometimes even in the same paragraph.
Part of it seems a misunderstanding of terminology.
I also don't want to say he doesn't have a true advantage. But it's certainly not the way he describes it. What he describes if just guessing and Ploppy mentality. If he has a real advantage he isn't saying what it is.
I sat next to a slots player once who rubbed her screen in exactly the same sweeping motion every spin. She confided in me that she wins more This way. Yes, when swiping crossways a plastic screen works I will try it too. In the meantime she just has a belief based on some memorably favorable results.
One more thing to consider is EB claims to flat bet but ALSO that he bets different amounts per session. This to me sounds suspect.
If you take one wager for $50 and lose and then the next day do $100 and win technically you did a martingale. The lapse of time is meaningless.
He may simply be doing an old fashioned martingale and those can artificially keep you winning a long time. Note that BOTH EB and the Martingale share something in common. They both seek to profit one unit.
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Thanks for your answer. But let´s say that he really do 500 units over 850 spins (I am not doubt it). If he in the future do 5000 units over 8500 spins you will still think that this is only luck or variance or you should think that he really has some kind of advantage?
Thanks again.
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Of course they will! Confirmation bias runs their lives, they would believe it was luck if it was a million spins.
Quote: darkozQuote: TigerWuQuote: darkoz
If you take one wager for $50 and lose and then the next day do $100 and win technically you did a martingale. The lapse of time is meaningless.
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I believe he has said he has a 100% session win rate, and also that if he loses a bet he will just keep (flat) betting until he has a net win before closing down the session.
That would mean he technically can't be Martingaling, because even though the unit amount changes from session to session, he is never down any amount between those sessions.
I.e., if he loses a $50 wager, he won't wait until the next session to bet $100 and win it back. He will keep flat betting $50 until he is up $50 overall, and then quit.
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Like I said in that post he says contradictory things.
He waits for the pattern to show him when to make a spin. If he is wrong (and that's 20% of the time) just wagering on each and every successive spin does NOT appear to be using any pattern. Clearly his divination of the pattern was already wrong and he is just, hmmm, gambling.
So still a lot of things that don't make sense. Of course that's what he wants because otherwise every one sees through him.
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All I can do is explain it to you, I can't understand it for you.
Quote: TigerWuWhat are you still doing here, EB? I thought it was a nice day and you had work to do.... that was like 20 minutes ago.
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He's already quoted me about six times with "blah blah blah" and he doesn't have time to answer.
It should be painfully obvious I figured him out like a book and his lucky wins and now has nothing to say.
If EB was a bit younger his response would have been "whatever!"
But that's a generation or three removed.
Quote: darkozQuote: TigerWuWhat are you still doing here, EB? I thought it was a nice day and you had work to do.... that was like 20 minutes ago.
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He's already quoted me about six times with "blah blah blah" and he doesn't have time to answer.
It should be painfully obvious I figured him out like a book and his lucky wins and now has nothing to say.
If EB was a bit younger his response would have been "whatever!"
But that's a generation or three removed.
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I like how you've basically been defending EvenBob over your last few posts and explaining how his "method" could work, and actually backing it up with math, and EB is still blowing you off.... LOL... What is wrong with him??
Quote: MDawgHow hard is it to spin the roulette wheel and inject the ball in a way where the same quadrant will come up? How about the same number?
In Wizard’s April 30, 2020, Live Stream Heather claimed to have spun the ball in a way where the same number popped up 8 times [at 17:14].
From the LiveStream:
Wizard to Heather: "You said that you once saw the same number 8 times in a row?
Heather: "Yup, and I'm the one that spun the ball. And it was at a dead table. I'm sitting practicing. I'm spinning 5 in a row, 6 in a row. My floor supervisor comes over and he's like I'll bet you can't do that again. So I spin the ball and I do it again and he's like I bet you $100 you can't do it again. And I spin the ball and do it again."
During the LiveStream Wizard told Heather that the odds of doing that are 1 in 114,415,582,592.
I am not into roulette but I know that roulette players claim that a “steady arm” and consistent method (spin? ball entry?) may result in a predictable outcome….
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but either of these "predictable" outcomes have to do with either consistent spin of the wheel with a consistent entry of the ball, or with the wheel's being biased to favor a certain section. I suppose a wheel could be biased to enter a certain number or numbers even if they are spread across the roulette wheel, if there were some defect with those slots that made the ball more likely to enter that slot or stay in that slot.
However, in the history of roulette I don't believe there has ever been a documented wheel that was somehow biased all over the entire wheel, such as to be biased to enter red more than black, that would be a pretty crooked wheel! Nor could it be conceivable that the way a croupier injected the ball could be directed to be more likely to land in one slot (say, red) versus a directly adjacent (say, black) slot - that would just be too much of a sharpshooting effect.
(HOWEVER I suppose that if you believe that a croupier like Heather could hit the same number again and again, then couldn't she also hit, say, the same red or same black number again and again?)
EvenBob says he doesn't bet based on sections of the wheel, but if he's betting based on prior results, by laying out groups of numbers, that could in the end amount to the same thing.
In any case, if there is some actual basis for why certain numbers are repeating on the wheel, then sure, betting based on past patterns would make sense.
Quote: darkozQuote: TigerWuWhat are you still doing here, EB? I thought it was a nice day and you had work to do.... that was like 20 minutes ago.
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He's already quoted me about six times with "blah blah blah" and he doesn't have time to answer.
It should be painfully obvious I figured him out like a book and his lucky wins and now has nothing to say.
If EB was a bit younger his response would have been "whatever!"
But that's a generation or three removed.
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blah! blah! blah! Couldn't help myself
Interestingly Bob seems to think he is more credible than you lol.
