EvenBob

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Quote: EvenBob

... I don't use a system I use a method and I don't make predictions I make educated guesses. Roulette is unpredictable, I totally agree.

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He guesses, just as all of us do every time we place a bet. Even the best of the APs don't know if their next bet will pay off. For them it's also an educated guess.

Now if you want to argue EB's exact win/loss go ahead because that's a different subject.

But his "method" is what we all do. We make educated guesses.

I sometimes guess the virgin craps shooter will have a money making roll. Sometimes I guess wrong. But my guess is it sometimes happens.

That is an excellent suggestion Gandler and possibly a basis for a challenge / wager if the conditions were right such that Evenbob could prove his claim without revealing his method.
If this could be arranged with the Wizard's blessings and oversight and the opponents could be fully financially invested, the matter could be settled.
An intelligent, inquisitive, pareidolic mind, hard work, and perserverance sometimes pays off.
Ferdinand Magellan, Pharaoh Khufu ,Thomas Edison, Orville and Wilber Wright ,Dr. Michael DeBakey come to mind as exceptional individuals with accomplishment which at the time many would have believed impossible.
Regarding patterns, Pareidolia ,a form of apophenia but different , pattern recognition is the basis for all human and machine learning. To date all discoveries and inventions are the result of pattern recognition skills and requires repetition of experience according to science experts.
I would not underestimate Evenbob's abilities and would not bet against him in this particular matter.

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Quote: TigerWu

Your system doesn't work because you can't predict future spins of a Roulette wheel based on past results.

Wrong. And I don't use a system I use a method and I don't make predictions I make educated guesses. Roulette is unpredictable, I totally agree. Weathermen make predictions, I make educated guesses and I'm right far more often then I'm wrong because I know how to read the past spins they give me indications of what's coming up sometimes. That's the key word everybody overlooks, sometimes. Not even close to all the time, not even close to most of the time, just sometimes. If you could see me play you would see me not betting far far far far far more often then betting.

Just to clarify, sometimes you see a situation and when you see that situation and bet it you win a coin toss bet (ignoring green) doubling your money 80% of the time.
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That is pretty much correct. But sometimes there is a lot of space in between opportunities to bet, and as much as I say that 90% of the people here still think I just walk into a casino sit down and playi play play win and win and win nothing could be farther from the truth. What I do is very precise and very exacting and you need a ton of patience

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That is an excellent suggestion Gandler and possibly a basis for a challenge / wager if the conditions were right such that Evenbob could prove his claim without revealing his method.

I already tried that it doesn't work. The person I showed it to in person, every time I won he said it was a luck. This was back when I was playing in casinos. We did this for 2 days in Las Vegas and his conclusion was I was just lucky and that would be the conclusion of almost anybody who watches me play. They don't believe it to begin with and they're not going to end up believing by watching me play for 2 or 3 days. I'm also not going to post anything from a gambling site because I'll just be accused of rigging it, photoshopping it, something. This is not my first rodeo I know how these things go and I'm not going to waste my time. The only way anybody will ever know if this works is for them to try it themselves. That has happened but very very seldom. And I don't care about revealing my method what do you think I'm doing right now. It doesn't matter they don't believe it when they see it

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Quote: cwwbjr

That is an excellent suggestion Gandler and possibly a basis for a challenge / wager if the conditions were right such that Evenbob could prove his claim without revealing his method.

I already tried that it doesn't work. The person I showed it to in person, every time I won he said it was a luck. This was back when I was playing in casinos. We did this for 2 days in Las Vegas and his conclusion was I was just lucky and that would be the conclusion of almost anybody who watches me play. They don't believe it to begin with and they're not going to end up believing by watching me play for 2 or 3 days. I'm also not going to post anything from a gambling site because I'll just be accused of rigging it, photoshopping it, something. This is not my first rodeo I know how these things go and I'm not going to waste my time. The only way anybody will ever know if this works is for them to try it themselves. That has happened but very very seldom. And I don't care about revealing my method what do you think I'm doing right now. It doesn't matter they don't believe it when they see it
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Two days of wins can easily be luck. Daily play with the same win rate every day for two years, can be luck, but its far less likely.

There are simple ways that it can be done, have a trusted person proxy onto your computer and see in real time (or give the casino permission to release the info directly to them, or if somebody is close by they can just come over and watch), they can then simply say if you are a daily winner or not (don't have to reveal bet size, amounts in account, etc....)

It's pretty strange that you want to say you have a daily method and post extensively about it, but not give the method (which is fine), but also not give evidence that it works. It's akin to somebody saying that they can choose one scratch off a day and always win a set amount, and not offer evidence of winnings or what their method of choosing the ticket.

If you deposited 1.00 USD everyday and withdrew 1.80 USD everyday for the last two years, that would show there may be something there (or at the very least it would show that you are honest about your win rate even if the method is suspect).

Shoot, the closest equivalent to this thread that we have had at least the poster invited the Wizard to watch a session to verify the play. But, if you play online, and don't want to meet somebody, there are easy ways for people to connect to your PC for a session and to review logs on the sites.

Really this thread is akin to the well known joke about how to fix an engine that won't start or the coke machine that didn't eject the can.

Get out and slam the hood hard or if it's an office machine, kick it or for the soda machine slam your hand against it.

And yes, I have witnessed some instances where that works. Sometimes you get lucky.

EB seems to be prepared to open an auto repair shop with the main treatment to be slamming the hood because that's what works for him a few times in the past.

Even if you have out of desperation hit a machine and laughed when that ACTUALLY DID WORK certainly a rational person would still be wary of an auto mechanic who stated that was the proven method for car repair.

Yet sadly that's what we have here. A guy who gets lucky a few times (I love his quote above that sometimes it doesn't work. --- probably about 50% of the time) and now thinks he has a method that works.

Quote: darkoz

Really this thread is akin to the well known joke about how to fix an engine that won't start or the coke machine that didn't eject the can.

Get out and slam the hood hard or if it's an office machine, kick it or for the soda machine slam your hand against it.

And yes, I have witnessed some instances where that works. Sometimes you get lucky.

EB seems to be prepared to open an auto repair shop with the main treatment to be slamming the hood because that's what works for him a few times in the past.

Even if you have out of desperation hit a machine and laughed when that ACTUALLY DID WORK certainly a rational person would still be wary of an auto mechanic who stated that was the proven method for car repair.

Yet sadly that's what we have here. A guy who gets lucky a few times (I love his quote above that sometimes it doesn't work. --- probably about 50% of the time) and now thinks he has a method that works.
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Yep, thanks that's a good comparison. FWIW, my view is that this thread is something like a twisted combination of "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (the Michigan Version)" and "Waiting for Godot".

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It's pretty strange that you want to say you have a daily method and post extensively about it, but not give the method (which is fine), but also not give evidence that it works.

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Allow me to explain real life to you. All the people who start off saying I'm a liar I can't do what I say I'm doing they don't believe a word of it blah blah blah they are the ones that want proof. Do they want proof so they can change their minds? Noooooo, they want it so they can tear it apart and claim that I rigged it. I've seen this song and dance before I know how it works. And it can be rigged I know exactly how to do it and if I know how so does everybody else.

Let me give you an example. I invent a mattress it's super comfortable and I go on and on about it with testimonies and videos and whatever I can think of to prove that it's really comfortable. You know what the only proof you can really give is? For somebody to lay on the mattress and discover it for themselves. The only proof that what I do works is for somebody to do it themselves and see that it works. And people have tried and people come away saying yeah there's something here. Not very many people but enough. Because it's a lot of work and gamblers are lazy, they don't want to even try it.

Sounds like he's channeling the spirit of that old Irishman, John Patrick.

I haven't read his books on roulette but his craps books talk about spotting and betting only on "trends." which seem to be either the same as "patterns" or a close first cousin.

EB sits and watches the roulette spins unfold, one after the other, not betting and biding his time, waiting for the right moment to pounce when the trend warrants finally making a bet.

Patrick called it "charting a table" but EB calls it making "an educated guess."

One question: where in the hell does the notion of "education" fit in with EB's guesses?

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This thread probably belongs in the roulette section. What EB has stated is that he uses a guessing (or hunch) methodology based on trying to observe patterns.

Can you explain to me the difference between a betting system and a betting method? To my understanding, a betting method is a winning method that can be proven with math. Why can't someone just call a known betting system a betting method?

Just because Bob dubbs his betting system as a betting method doesn't make it so.

I guess one may say a betting system follows a static set of rules?

let's look at the definition of the word system: A set of principles or procedures according to which something is done; an organized framework or method.

gambling system - a system of rules for placing bets that is believed to lead to winning.

How does Bob's System not fit into those categories?

You might be right that it doesn't belong in the betting systems section, it probably belongs in the voodoo BS betting methods and betting systems section.

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He guesses, just as all of us do every time we place a bet. Even the best of the APs don't know if their next bet will pay off. For them it's also an educated guess.

YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN. There are many situations and times an advantage player isn't just guessing. They 100% know for a fact their next bet will pay off(barring any strange act of God such as a malfunction or whatever ), not only do they know it will pay off, they oftentimes know they will make a profit.

I keep reading trying to figure out what is the motive for EB’s posting these obviously ludicrous claims that not a soul would ever believe to be true? We all know he is not winning 80% of his bets at his (really less than) ‘even chance’ bets. His posts are truly the definition of mumbo jumbo. I’m trying to figure out a motive!

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He guesses, just as all of us do every time we place a bet. Even the best of the APs don't know if their next bet will pay off. For them it's also an educated guess.

YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN. There are many situations and times an advantage player isn't just guessing. They 100% know for a fact their next bet will pay off(barring any strange act of God such as a malfunction or whatever ), not only do they know it will pay off, they oftentimes know they will make a profit.
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I'm sorry. I should have known that you know when a casino bet is guaranteed to hit.

My bad.

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I keep reading trying to figure out what is the motive for EB’s posting these obviously ludicrous claims that not a soul would ever believe to be true? We all know he is not winning 80% of his bets at his (really less than) ‘even chance’ bets. His posts are truly the definition of mumbo jumbo. I’m trying to figure out a motive!
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I wonder how many bets he has actually made? Perhaps he's on a winning streak and he is contributing that to a theory that he just keeps getting better and better with more experience.

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I keep reading trying to figure out what is the motive for EB’s posting these obviously ludicrous claims that not a soul would ever believe to be true? We all know he is not winning 80% of his bets at his (really less than) ‘even chance’ bets. His posts are truly the definition of mumbo jumbo. I’m trying to figure out a motive!
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I wonder how many bets he has actually made? Perhaps he's on a winning streak and he is contributing that to a theory that he just keeps getting better and better with more experience.
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Axel, he has claimed to win 80% of his ‘first bets’ on ‘even chance’ bets over at least 500 tries. That’s 400/500 when expectation is 238 or so. It makes 18 yo’s in a row look like a piece of cake. Bob is not claiming some very short lived recent winning streak.

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He guesses, just as all of us do every time we place a bet. Even the best of the APs don't know if their next bet will pay off. For them it's also an educated guess.

YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN. There are many situations and times an advantage player isn't just guessing. They 100% know for a fact their next bet will pay off(barring any strange act of God such as a malfunction or whatever ), not only do they know it will pay off, they oftentimes know they will make a profit.
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I'm sorry. I should have known that you know when a casino bet is guaranteed to hit.

My bad.
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It's not every situation but there are some.

Some of these guaranteed situations have threads on this forum where people are angry that too much info is being given.

I understand you are unfamiliar with some of these situations but they are discussed here from time to time so there really isn't any excuse for you making snide remarks like above

Quote: AxelWolf

gambling system - a system of rules for placing bets that is believed to lead to winning.

How does Bob's System not fit into those categories?

You might be right that it doesn't belong in the betting systems section, it probably belongs in the voodoo BS betting methods and betting systems section.
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Systems rely on rules and my method has no rules. Why do you say it's voodoo, it's the opposite of voodoo. It's based on hardcore observable conditions not magic spells and incantations.

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I keep reading trying to figure out what is the motive for EB’s posting these obviously ludicrous claims that not a soul would ever believe to be true? We all know he is not winning 80% of his bets at his (really less than) ‘even chance’ bets. His posts are truly the definition of mumbo jumbo. I’m trying to figure out a motive!
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I keep reading trying to figure out what is the motive for EB’s posting these obviously ludicrous claims that not a soul would ever believe to be true? We all know he is not winning 80% of his bets at his (really less than) ‘even chance’ bets. His posts are truly the definition of mumbo jumbo. I’m trying to figure out a motive!
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I wonder how many bets he has actually made? Perhaps he's on a winning streak and he is contributing that to a theory that he just keeps getting better and better with more experience.
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There are lots of people here who have known me for a long time and know for a fact that I started posting about this in 2006 on the now-defunct Gamblers Glen forum. On that platform alone I had over 20,000 posts all of them about this very subject my method of play. Then I was on other forums like VLS and Steve's roulette forum where I had thousands more posts, all about this my method. I've been here since 2010 I have no idea how many posts I have talking about this. I'm on another gambling forum right now where I have over 2,000 posts about this. I have a thread there titled Ask Me Anything About Betting the EC's (Even Chances) that has almost 3000 replies and over 162,000 views. So in the last 16 years by my reckoning I've had between 45 and 50000 posts on this subject and a current thread that's been looked at 162000 times.

And 16 years later I'm still posting the same stuff that I was posting in 2006 and 2009 and 2013 and 2018 and yesterday. This tells even the most casual observer that something is going on with me and roulette. And I'm not talking about hallucinations and made-up crap just to entertain myself. Why do I post here, or anywhere? Because talking about it makes me think about it and that helps me learn even more to get even better at what I do. I keep saying this over and over because it's true. The only people I truly care about who believe what I do all work at the casinos because they're the only ones that get to see me in action and pay me when I win. Imagine all the abuse I have taken on this subject in the last 16 years and believe me you cannot imagine it. People who've been following me since the start know the abuse I take and why do I put up with it. Because I do exactly what I say I do when I play roulette and the fact that you believe me or don't believe me has nothing to do with anything. I always get the last laugh that's why all the abuse doesn't bother me. That's why I can continue to post about my method and continue learning and continue getting better because this is a learned skill and put up with all the doubters and the snide remarks. Because this method is real and it works extremely well if I'm still around I'll be posting about it 10 years from now. I could be a lot harder on the naysayers if I wanted to but I understand where they're coming from. I kind of feel sorry for them they are mostly just parroting what they heard and are not capable of putting any real thought into it. But once in a while somebody comes along who gives it a shot and that's good enough for me. As long as the casinos keep paying me what do I care. Because that's what this is all about, the money. It's the only reason I do it to make money. Only reason I want to learn more and improve my skill is so I can make even more money. That's a reason everybody understands.

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He guesses, just as all of us do every time we place a bet. Even the best of the APs don't know if their next bet will pay off. For them it's also an educated guess.

YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN. There are many situations and times an advantage player isn't just guessing. They 100% know for a fact their next bet will pay off(barring any strange act of God such as a malfunction or whatever ), not only do they know it will pay off, they oftentimes know they will make a profit.
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I'm sorry. I should have known that you know when a casino bet is guaranteed to hit.

My bad.
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It's not every situation but there are some.

Some of these guaranteed situations have threads on this forum where people are angry that too much info is being given.

I understand you are unfamiliar with some of these situations but they are discussed here from time to time so there really isn't any excuse for you making snide remarks like above
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Let's be clear here: this isn't about getting money out of some promotion or free play bonus.

Axel specifically said APs will "100% know for a fact their next bet will pay off."

That's "bet" he said.

And you're questioning EB's claim about hitting 80% of the time?

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He guesses, just as all of us do every time we place a bet. Even the best of the APs don't know if their next bet will pay off. For them it's also an educated guess.

YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN. There are many situations and times an advantage player isn't just guessing. They 100% know for a fact their next bet will pay off(barring any strange act of God such as a malfunction or whatever ), not only do they know it will pay off, they oftentimes know they will make a profit.
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I'm sorry. I should have known that you know when a casino bet is guaranteed to hit.

My bad.
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It's not every situation but there are some.

Some of these guaranteed situations have threads on this forum where people are angry that too much info is being given.

I understand you are unfamiliar with some of these situations but they are discussed here from time to time so there really isn't any excuse for you making snide remarks like above
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Let's be clear here: this isn't about getting money out of some promotion or free play bonus.

Axel specifically said APs will "100% know for a fact their next bet will pay off."

That's "bet" he said.

And you're questioning EB's claim about hitting 80% of the time?
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Wow. You strive to be wrong?

First you make a 1000% incorrect assumption that because I specialize in promo advantage play that I am unaware of how other AP moves work and that when Axel says BET, I can't comprehend what he meant.

In fact, my knowledge of other Advantage Play is often incorporated into promo play such that no one without the general knowledge, not you or the Casinos could ever understand the true scope of what I do. Some of my stuff is literally multi-layered moves that would spin your head like a top if you fully grasped how it worked.

Secondly, absolutely I understood that Axel was referring to BET and not PROMO.

Horatio, there are things in this world of gambling that you don't comprehend. One is that YES, ABSOLUTELY there are situations where it is 100% guaranteed that a person will turn a profit on the next BET.

However, that all said, EB's method is absolutely NOT one of those.

Thanks for your reply Darkoz but don't you think Axel should be responding himself?

After all, Axel wrote "They 100% know for a fact their next bet will pay off."

Does he mean to say his next hand or spin will be a winner?

Or did he misspeak?

Axel? Are you able to tell your next push of the button will deliver a winner? Are you able to tell the next cards dealt will give you a winner? Are you able to tell the next roll of the dice or spin of the wheel will give you a winner?

Or, Axel, when you said "They 100% know for a fact their next bet will pay off" did you mean something else?

Now, Darkoz, let's see what Axel says. Perhaps he can control the RNG with his mind, or with mind over matter CONTROL dice, roulette, and cards?

Or maybe Axel misspoke?

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Thanks for your reply Darkoz but don't you think Axel should be responding himself?

After all, Axel wrote "They 100% know for a fact their next bet will pay off."

Does he mean to say his next hand or spin will be a winner?

Or did he misspeak?

Axel? Are you able to tell your next push of the button will deliver a winner? Are you able to tell the next cards dealt will give you a winner? Are you able to tell the next roll of the dice or spin of the wheel will give you a winner?

Or, Axel, when you said "They 100% know for a fact their next bet will pay off" did you mean something else?

Now, Darkoz, let's see what Axel says. Perhaps he can control the RNG with his mind, or with mind over matter CONTROL dice, roulette, and cards?

Or maybe Axel misspoke?
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I’m just going to give you one easy one Alan. On Golden Egypt if you are in the middle of the coins turning wild on the first 3 columns with it still having the next spin wild, there is 100% certainty you will be making money on the next spin. It has happened to me once. It is truly a great feeling ABSOLUTELY KNOWING the next spin will result in me winning, just not exactly how much!

I’ve seen Axel in other similar type situations but I made a vow to him that I wouldn’t post about them on the open forum.

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Thanks for your reply Darkoz but don't you think Axel should be responding himself?

After all, Axel wrote "They 100% know for a fact their next bet will pay off."

Does he mean to say his next hand or spin will be a winner?

Or did he misspeak?

Axel? Are you able to tell your next push of the button will deliver a winner? Are you able to tell the next cards dealt will give you a winner? Are you able to tell the next roll of the dice or spin of the wheel will give you a winner?

Or, Axel, when you said "They 100% know for a fact their next bet will pay off" did you mean something else?

Now, Darkoz, let's see what Axel says. Perhaps he can control the RNG with his mind, or with mind over matter CONTROL dice, roulette, and cards?

Or maybe Axel misspoke?
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OMG, You continue to insult me. I am certain through ignorance of the subject.

Axel did NOT mispeak. I don't have to ask him because in most (not all) matters we both understand the same advantage play moves.

Alan, Listen to my next statement clearly!: "I, DARKOZ, CAN 100% KNOW FOR A FACT THE NEXT BET WILL PAY OFF (under certain advantage play situations)".

And unlike EB I can prove it. As a reporter, I will give you the key words to research right here on this forum because having to literally hand hold you is just too sad.

The key words to seeing a BET or WAGER and knowing that the absolute 100% next spin will be an absolute guaranteed profit are:

Scarab
Golden Egypt
Vulture
Must-hit.

Notice none of my key words mention stupidity like "hunches, educated guessing, or patterns".

Search those keywords on this very site. If you still can't find your answers... Well, you say you are a reporter. You have to have some skills to rely on.

Nevertheless, D.Oz has posted that he can't even manage to win at slots and makes it up in free play, is his claimed scheme. So that shows you how many Must Wins with which he is familiar personally. Whether he thinks he may do it or not, he says he does not! and loses on slots.

Basically, when it comes to A.Wolf, no matter what anyone says, he'll come in with some vague "I can think of at least one example of how that isn't true," but seems to never post what that example might be. I think a lot of his "I can think of" refer to something from so long ago that it's not even applicable, certainly I don't believe A.Wolf has tested some of what he claims is true, in years, if ever.

I believe EvenBob is actually winning, but how he is doing it, is the question . It's not something I care with which to experiment, as roulette isn't my bag, and I personally know of no way to win consistently at roulette, short of busting out a pen laser and a modified portable computer, or looking for a sufficiently biased wheel, which I don't think too many if any of those around.

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Nevertheless, D.Oz has posted that he can't even manage to win at slots and makes it up in free play, is his claimed scheme. So that shows you how many Must Wins with which he is familiar personally. Whether he thinks he may do it or not, he says he does not! and loses on slots.

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It's insulting quotes like this that makes people doubt you have any advantage at Baccarat.

I admit that I cannot win at -EV slots

So does the Wizard.

The whole point of advantage play is to locate positive EV situations.

When you make the above statement as if I am some type of failure for not beating negative expectation games it calls all your credibility into play.

Your statement is equivalent to saying "Darkoz admits he needs an airplane to fly. He can't even fly with just his own hands and arms. What a failure. I believe EB can fly without any mechanical support I just haven't figured out how."

It just comes down to that you say a lot of things with which you have no personal experience. And then get all defensive and make about a dozen back to back posts in rapid succession when someone points it out.

*Yawn.

Why not stick to what you know personally? There are others here do the same thing go on and on about this isn't possible that isn't possible but are saying so based on theory not personal experience. Some do it based on hypothesis!

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YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN. There are many situations and times an advantage player isn't just guessing. They 100% know for a fact their next bet will pay off(barring any strange act of God such as a malfunction or whatever ), not only do they know it will pay off, they oftentimes know they will make a profit.
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This is a really interesting proclamation. After reading the semi-explanations of this statement, does the statement only refer to slots or can Mr. Axel define any "100%" winnable "bets" in each venue below:
CRAPS: =
ROULETTE: =
I understand that card games such as "21" and poker and even carnival card games have bets that are 100% winners when dealt, but otherwise can there be "100%" winners prior to the final turn of the cards?

Mr.DO feel free to jump in here.

tuttigym

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YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN. There are many situations and times an advantage player isn't just guessing. They 100% know for a fact their next bet will pay off(barring any strange act of God such as a malfunction or whatever ), not only do they know it will pay off, they oftentimes know they will make a profit.
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This is a really interesting proclamation. After reading the semi-explanations of this statement, does the statement only refer to slots or can Mr. Axel define any "100%" winnable "bets" in each venue below:
CRAPS: =
ROULETTE: =
I understand that card games such as "21" and poker and even carnival card games have bets that are 100% winners when dealt, but otherwise can there be "100%" winners prior to the final turn of the cards?

Mr.DO feel free to jump in here.

tuttigym
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Certainly through cheating methods, yes.

But discounting those Axel will have to reply about table games.

One misconception shared by EB, MDawg and Alan is that advantage player's seek to beat the games. This isn't necessarily true. Card counting is about beating a game.

But the majority of advantage play is simply to find an advantage! Period!

Take the double up bug. The guys who exploited that discovered a singular glitch that allowed them to (with 100% accuracy) determine when their next wager would be profitable. It involved switching denominations while doing a double up at VP.

We're they beating VP? Of course not. They were exploiting a glitch which when discovered was removed from most or all of the susceptible units

Posters like MDawg who make statements like "Darkoz admits he can't beat slots" show a complete lack of advantage player mentality and a lack of being able to think like an advantage Player.

Generally a waste of time to talk to engage with someone with no personal experience. *Double Yawn* and great bolsy yarblockos! is what I say! Forget about D.Oz. on this topic of beating slots, he says he doesn't do it. Won't stop him from posting a half dozen times defensively on the sujet though!

Moving on....

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I keep reading trying to figure out what is the motive for EB’s posting these obviously ludicrous claims that not a soul would ever believe to be true? We all know he is not winning 80% of his bets at his (really less than) ‘even chance’ bets. His posts are truly the definition of mumbo jumbo. I’m trying to figure out a motive!
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He's just posting his personal experience.

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I keep reading trying to figure out what is the motive for EB’s posting these obviously ludicrous claims that not a soul would ever believe to be true? We all know he is not winning 80% of his bets at his (really less than) ‘even chance’ bets. His posts are truly the definition of mumbo jumbo. I’m trying to figure out a motive!
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These are his possible motives:

1) He's lonely and just does it for attention. We all know he spends A LOT of time on the internet in this and other forums.

2) He's deceived. He ACTUALLY thinks he has a winning system that can beat roulette, and he just can't wrap his head around why that is impossible.

That's pretty much it. I lean more towards #2.

What I would like to know is why EvenBob is not a multi-millionaire by now living on his own private island with a bunch of supermodel girlfriends. I mean, he claims he has been playing an unbeatable Roulette system for years where he wins 100% of his sessions, and yet from all indications it seems he is just living a totally average middle-class life, wasting his time on the internet with the rest of the proletariat. At the very least he should be raking in the bucks to donate to a charity of his choice.

That alone is proof his system doesn't work.

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Generally a waste of time to talk to engage with someone with no personal experience. *Double Yawn* and great bolsy yarblockos! is what I say! Forget about D.Oz.

Moving on....

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I keep reading trying to figure out what is the motive for EB’s posting these obviously ludicrous claims that not a soul would ever believe to be true? We all know he is not winning 80% of his bets at his (really less than) ‘even chance’ bets. His posts are truly the definition of mumbo jumbo. I’m trying to figure out a motive!
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He's just posting his personal experience.
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I guess there isn't any rule against insulting your own self.

MDawg you have admitted you have no experience here, that's fine. We won't engage with you.

Another bad habit of his is posting before a post is even completed, misreading or not reading what was finalized, quoting something different from what was written in the end. This, he shares with AxelWolf, except that AWolf flat out misses posts, DarkOz just gets them wrong! due to impatience to stumble over his feet with defensive responses 😅 that invariably end up in the half dozen or more quantity!

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Classic Axel. Lol
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He guesses, just as all of us do every time we place a bet. Even the best of the APs don't know if their next bet will pay off. For them it's also an educated guess.

Now if you want to argue EB's exact win/loss go ahead because that's a different subject.

But his "method" is what we all do. We make educated guesses.
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No one is disputing his "method." He is looking for patterns and trends. That's it. There is nothing wrong with doing that to decide what you want to bet next. I, personally, have admitted multiple times in this thread that I do the exact same thing when I play Baccarat and Roulette.

EB is being mocked and attacked, not because he is pattern-spotting, but because he is claiming an 80% hit rate with a 100% session win rate.

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Another bad habit of his is posting before a post is even completed, misreading or not reading what was finalized, quoting something different from what was written in the end. This, he shares with AxelWolf, except that AWolf flat out misses posts, DarkOz just gets them wrong! due to impatience to stumble over his feet with defensive responses 😅 that invariably end up in the half dozen or more quantity!

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Classic Axel. Lol
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No, I understood the post fine when I pointed out you were talking about yourself

You were unable to recognize that which is hilarious or sad depending on your point of view

No personal experience = generally a waste of time with which to engage.

I try to speak only about that with which I have personal experience.

Unlike some who post a half dozen times without even thinking, "Yes this IS the way it is (dammit!) but I admit I'm not doing it myself."

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No personal experience = generally a waste of time with which to engage.

I try to speak only about that with which I have personal experience.

Unlike some who post a half dozen times without even thinking, "Yes this IS the way it is (dammit!) but I admit I'm not doing it myself."
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Again you talking about yourself!

Suggestions like Darkoz brings homeless people in to sign up for new members offers at $10×2000 people to make$20,000 a week.

Or not knowing that winning more than $1200 on an electronic table game causes a handpay.

That's literally all you do is talk about things you know nothing about when it comes to advantage play.

I suspect it rankles you that I of all people figured out your Baccarat advantage so now you hope to discredit me, lol.

@EvenBob: I think that I only have one more question for you. Do you generally place your bet(s) before or after the dealer has dealt the ball? I wish you continued success in your endeavor!

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It just comes down to that you say a lot of things with which you have no personal experience. And then get all defensive and make about a dozen back to back posts in rapid succession when someone points it out.

*Yawn.

Why not stick to what you know personally? There are others here do the same thing go on and on about this isn't possible that isn't possible but are saying so based on theory not personal experience. Some do it based on hypothesis!
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That's what it mostly is they have no personal experience in playing roulette at all but they know what I do doesn't work. Talk about ego. Not a single naysayer has yet to tear apart the example I gave and tell me exactly why that won't work because they have no idea how to do it. If they don't know how to do it how do they know it doesn't work. All they have is platitudes and statistics they learned somewhere. In the late 1800's science believed the fastest speed a ground vehicle could go was 60mph and they could prove it with math. How did that work out for them.

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No personal experience = generally a waste of time with which to engage.

I try to speak only about that with which I have personal experience.

Unlike some who post a half dozen times without even thinking, "Yes this IS the way it is (dammit!) but I admit I'm not doing it myself."
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Not a single person here who says I can't be doing what I'm doing has tried to do it. They have zero personal experience in playing roulette period let alone trying to beat it. It's like me who knows nothing about plumbing telling the plumber who comes into my house how to do his job. All you do is make a fool out of yourself if you try and tell people what they're doing wrong if you've never done it yourself.

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That's what it mostly is they have no personal experience in playing roulette at all but they know what I do doesn't work.

I personally have been playing Roulette for over 20 years.

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Talk about ego. Not a single naysayer has yet to tear apart the example I gave and tell me exactly why that won't work because they have no idea how to do it.

I've told you multiple times exactly why your system fails and you're just ignoring the facts. Talk about ego. Feel free to post the math that proves your system can overcome the house edge at Roulette.

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If they don't know how to do it how do they know it doesn't work.

Because your claims violate the laws of mathematics.

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All they have is platitudes and statistics they learned somewhere.

Yes, all we have is the immutable math that proves your system won't work in the long run. Unfortunately that's all we have....

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In the late 1800's science believed the fastest speed a ground vehicle could go was 60mph and they could prove it with math. How did that work out for them.
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*Citation needed.

On a site begun by a mathematician how are many of EB's recent posts not insults to the forum and Michael

He has literally said multiple times that math people don't understand Roulette (anyone besides EB believe Michael Shackleford doesn't understand how Roulette is affected by math? Or that the Wizard never played Roulette?).

Multiple people on here have already said this thread is just a troll thread. If true I thought trolling was against the rules on this forum.

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On a site begun by a mathematician how are many of EB's recent posts not insults to the forum and Michael

He has literally said multiple times that math people don't understand Roulette (anyone besides EB believe Michael Shackleford doesn't understand how Roulette is affected by math? Or that the Wizard never played Roulette?).

Multiple people on here have already said this thread is just a troll thread. If true I thought trolling was against the rules on this forum.
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Trolling is definitely against forum rules. I mentioned pages ago how it was odd that the mods have been very hands off with this thread despite it basically spitting in the face of what this forum is supposed to be about. EB is being allowed to get away with things that would get other people banned. Why, I don't know. I suspect it's simply because he generates so much content for the forum and the mods want the traffic.

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Forum Rule 12 excerpt: "If the totality of one's posts is one huge lie, then it becomes trolling."

EB has claimed he is not gambling when playing Roulette because he knows he will always win.
EB has claimed a consistent 80% hit rate on a bet with a 47.37% probability.
EB has claimed a 100% session win rate for up to 500-1000 sessions in the last year alone.

Those are the highlights in my opinion. And in almost 50 pages he has provided zero proof or evidence that he can consistently beat Roulette.

On the other hand, this is a great thread.

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Hey, now! EB claims he is NOT gambling! He KNOWS he is going to win!

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It just comes down to that you say a lot of things with which you have no personal experience. And then get all defensive and make about a dozen back to back posts in rapid succession when someone points it out.

*Yawn.

Why not stick to what you know personally? There are others here do the same thing go on and on about this isn't possible that isn't possible but are saying so based on theory not personal experience. Some do it based on hypothesis!
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You are joking , right? You are questioning what DO and Axel do although ‘YOU HAVE NO PERSONAL EXPERIENCE’ doing it!

I DID give one simple example (the Golden Egypt one) where there is 100% certainty that the next spin is a win. NO ONE has said it occurs frequently. NO ONE says it is expected nor repeatable predictably. Just Alan made a rude, snide comment deriding Axel for the simple, easily provable comment he made.

The main point is here…. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason to believe ANY of EvenBob’s claims.

To put it in context for you, BigDawg, baccarat ‘player’ is close in odds to Red or Black or Even or Odd. If you claimed to win 400 out of your last 500 Player bets would you not expect scorn?

He's "practicing" roulette as a religion, looking for "patterns" to ignite divine inspiration.

Compare to how some devout Catholics fell on their knees screaming "It's a miracle" after "seeing" Christ's face in a grilled cheese sandwich.

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He guesses, just as all of us do every time we place a bet. Even the best of the APs don't know if their next bet will pay off. For them it's also an educated guess.

YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN. There are many situations and times an advantage player isn't just guessing. They 100% know for a fact their next bet will pay off(barring any strange act of God such as a malfunction or whatever ), not only do they know it will pay off, they oftentimes know they will make a profit.
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I'm sorry. I should have known that you know when a casino bet is guaranteed to hit.

My bad.
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Yes, it is your bad. I would gladly make you a side wager.

Whatever the case...BE BETTER ALAN, BE BETTER.

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I keep reading trying to figure out what is the motive for EB’s posting these obviously ludicrous claims that not a soul would ever believe to be true? We all know he is not winning 80% of his bets at his (really less than) ‘even chance’ bets. His posts are truly the definition of mumbo jumbo. I’m trying to figure out a motive!
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I wonder how many bets he has actually made? Perhaps he's on a winning streak and he is contributing that to a theory that he just keeps getting better and better with more experience.
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Axel, he has claimed to win 80% of his ‘first bets’ on ‘even chance’ bets over at least 500 tries. That’s 400/500 when expectation is 238 or so. It makes 18 yo’s in a row look like a piece of cake. Bob is not claiming some very short lived recent winning streak.
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Well then given what EB has said so far this is absolutely impossible for him to do.

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He's "practicing" roulette as a religion, looking for "patterns" to ignite divine inspiration.

Compare to how some devout Catholics fell on their knees screaming "It's a miracle" after "seeing" Christ's face in a grilled cheese sandwich.
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Coming soon... EB explains his scratch-off lottery ticket system....

"I don't buy a ticket every time I go to the gas station....I wait and look for certain patterns in the shirt the clerk is wearing. Then I'll buy a ticket, and I have an 80% chance of winning. If I don't win with that first ticket, I just keep buying tickets and I don't leave the store until I'm ahead. My win record with this technique is 100%. But don't ask me for proof, because I don't have any. Just trust me, bro!"