Can someone recommend a system

Hello,

I`ve lost some money due to gambling and I`m looking for a system that actually makes me money. I do have some products that I`ve bought and can share in exchange for some other ebooks the problems is that mine just don`t work so is there anybody here who is willing to leak or at least point me in the right direction to buy a good betting systems?

As you mentioned the things that you've purchased haven't worked for you. They more than likely don't work (winners don't sell their secrets too often) but without knowing the systems we cannot tell you one way or another. You might strike more connections, and conversations, if you shared the systems so they could be properly analyzed and debunked, or we could even tell you to stick with one of them if it happens to be proven a mathematical winner (which I'd doubt, but hey you never know).

Past that, there are a tremendous amount of articles, threads, and posts that give a whole hell of a lot away on ways to win inside of a casino. I'd recommend finding educated posters that others also respect and going through their threads/posts and learning that way. I literally read every single post, of every single article, of every single thread on blackjack on the blackjack forum, and WoV when I started out. It's amazing the little puzzle pieces you pick up in one thread and 20 threads later how it'll relate or answer another question in another.

Past that, the only way to exchange worthwhile secrets is to have worthwhile secrets to exchange. A lot of people starting out often find themselves in the same pinch of not having info to trade for info. Then, based on your drive to win inside a casino, the next steps are left to the player wanting to win. If you want a system that is 100% proven to win inside a casino, then look no further than counting cards. There are hundreds of thousands of FREE pages of literature on the topic online, I would suggest sticking to prominent sites such as BJ21, wizard of odds/vegas, blackjack apprenticeship, blackjack the forum, etc. I would also recommend books on the topic such as Playing Blackjack as a Business by Lawrence Revere, Beat the Dealer by Ed Thorp, The Blackjack Life by Nathaniel Tilton, and there are so many more (again that you can find in posts here on this very site even). I also posted 3 articles on "A to Z" counting cards in blackjack that are in the articles section of this very site:

https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/A-to-Z-Counting-Cards-in-Blackjack/
https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/A-to-Z-Counting-Cards-In-Blackjack-2/
https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/A-to-Z-Counting-Cards-in-Blackjack-3/

I've also tutored dozens of students of the game for free via the private messaging feature of this very site. Feel free to reach out with followup questions, though I'll warn you if you message and say "okay how do I win?" without doing your own research/practice then FYI the first response will be to go research and practice on your own =D.

The path is different for everyone, but I started with blackjack, worked to team blackjack, then got more curious, did more research and found other edges can be had. Then I started looking for those other edges and was lucky enough to find them, and the ball rolled from there. I didn't have anyone teach me blackjack or show me any of the other opportunities. The only reason I mention that is to tell everyone it's quite possible to do it "mostly" on your own. I was fortunate enough to have other more educated posters and members (at meetups/etc) give me breadcrumbs here and there to help me along my way... which is why I don't mind dropping the same breadcrumbs for those with real interest moving forward. Always pay it forward. Good luck.

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Hello,

I`ve lost some money due to gambling and I`m looking for a system that actually makes me money. I do have some products that I`ve bought and can share in exchange for some other ebooks the problems is that mine just don`t work so is there anybody here who is willing to leak or at least point me in the right direction to buy a good betting systems?
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I would suggest getting a new job that pays you more or finding a hobby by you enjoy. Time at the casino rarely works out, since there are no betting systems that work.


ZCore13

Work on beating the casino, not the games.

Quote: billryan

Work on beating the casino, not the games.
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Exactly. or more explicitly, beat the marketing department. There is no system that will beat casino games.
You have been suckered if you bought any systems.
What you have lost and what you have wasted on products, is sunk cost. Don't throw good money after bad.
Even if you found a system that gave you an edge, you would probably still lose as addiction gets a grip.

Seriously... Forget about winning in a casino.

Just curious.

But when one does win, why do so many of you become upset and set out for whip down by attempted humiliation?

Kind of like watching a LA Rams football player intercept the ball near the end zone, turn around and run it a few yards for a touchdown. Then the Cardinals fan screams that guy sucks, F****ing no talent just got lucky! No sir, that Rams player has huge talent and did what your team couldn’t do!

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Just curious.

But when one does win, why do so many of you become upset and set out for whip down by attempted humiliation?
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If someone does win, it is usually based on luck.

If someone boasts about it, it is often because they've deluded themselves into thinking that their intellect and gumption had something to do with a few lucky turns of the cards.

If we can rattle their delusion before they lose all that sweet pure win money chasing Lady Luck, it may save some serious trouble. If we can save some reader in a desperate sithation from losing the last of their grocery money to a system seller or a game that is inherently stacked against them, that's a job well done.


I have nothing against straight gambling or winning by dumb luck.
I have a strong opposition to losing money someone can't afford to play in the first place.

Results not typical. Consult your statistician.

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: billryan

Work on beating the casino, not the games.
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Seriously... Forget about winning in a casino.
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Pitiful answer, shame, shame, shame!

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Quote: OnceDear

Seriously... Forget about winning in a casino.
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Pitiful answer, shame, shame, shame!
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Do you really think so DeMango? My answer was direct to the OP based on his post.

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I`ve lost some money due to gambling
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Strike one. Gambling has been a problem to him.

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...and I`m looking for a system that actually makes me money.

Strike two. He believes that more gambling is the answer.

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I do have some products that I`ve bought

Strike three. He is the perfect mark for con men or shysters

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... point me in the right direction to buy a good betting systems?

Strike four. For all his research, he still expects the Holy Grail to be handed to him.

And strike five.... If you can have strikes four and five, two minutes later, he is here answering his own question, touting a great baccarat system that he's heard of.

If we charitably accept that his whole reason to be here is NOT to spam us promoting that baccarat system, then he is exactly the kind of soft target that casinos and snake oil salesmen ( and indirectly us APs) will eat for breakfast. It would be irresponsible for us wiser folk to fail to recognise that he needs wising up..... and maybe even remind him that in feeding his money to the casinos, he is putting his money indirectly into the pockets of advantage players. He has some advice. His call if he now takes it. Or maybe he will listen to our very own resident gurus and get fabulously rich by wagering $100 on baccarat. A fool and his money are soon parted, but I cut this OP a break. What he does with it is down to him.

Quote: Marcusclark66

Kind of like watching a LA Rams football player intercept the ball near the end zone, turn around and run it a few yards for a touchdown. Then the Cardinals fan screams that guy sucks, F****ing no talent just got lucky! No sir, that Rams player has huge talent and did what your team couldn’t do!

terrible, terrible analogy
the player that you refer to made it to the NFL and made a great play - he no doubt has a high skill level

you and the one you admire so much do a tremendous amount of bragging but you have shown 𝙖𝙗𝙨𝙤𝙡𝙪𝙩𝙚𝙡𝙮 𝙯𝙚𝙧𝙤 skills that would enable you to be a long term winner

if you have indeed won big as you claim - congratulations - it's something to be happy about

but the wins came from luck - not skill

that is the belief of just about everyone here

if in the future you clearly describe exactly what skills that you have that caused your winnings I will retract my statements

that is highly unlikely - as you have not shown in any of your postings that you have any significant knowledge of Advantage Play



Edit: another reason your analogy is terrible - you write - "Kind of like 𝙬𝙖𝙩𝙘𝙝𝙞𝙣𝙜"

nobody here 𝙬𝙖𝙩𝙘𝙝𝙚𝙙 you do anything

all we did was read your posts bragging about it


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I never claimed to be an Advantage Player. I claim to be able to take advantage of certain situations and win nicely from those.

I also apply my decades of being in a casino and having full exploitable knowledge of what extended time does to ones winnings or his bankroll at the table.

Period.

Quote: Marcusclark66

I never claimed to be an Advantage Player. I claim to be able to take advantage of certain situations and win nicely from those.

I also apply my decades of being in a casino and having full exploitable knowledge of what extended time does to ones winnings or his bankroll at the table.

Period.

total gobbledygook

exactly what situations do you take advantage of - describe them - I won't hold my breath

you write " having fully exploitable knowledge" - that is a meaningless butchering of the English language

you haven't learned much from your decades in a casino - if your accounts are true - and many here doubt they are


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Quote: Marcusclark66

I never claimed to be an Advantage Player. I claim to be able to take advantage of certain situations and win nicely from those.

I also apply my decades of being in a casino and having full exploitable knowledge of what extended time does to ones winnings or his bankroll at the table.

Period.
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As to "extended time", that sounds like the house edge grinding away.

As to "certain situations", I can think of several moderators and long time members who could discreetly ascertain if these certain situations are legitimate or misperceived via PM, should you care to.

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Hello,

I`ve lost some money due to gambling and I`m looking for a system that actually makes me money. I do have some products that I`ve bought and can share in exchange for some other ebooks the problems is that mine just don`t work so is there anybody here who is willing to leak or at least point me in the right direction to buy a good betting systems?
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It's not a good sign that you joined here on December 7th and haven't picked up on the fact that no betting systems work and no one will be able to give or sell you one that will "make you money". I exclude "systems" in which the player has an advantage instead of the house, but none of these are referred to as a "system" due to the terrible association that term has with total dreck. [edit, grrrrrrrrr]

The fact is the internet and even the world of books are full of misinformation and outright scams. Even this site, which we tend to think of as different, has posters who will give you misinformation. Can you go through the posts in this thread and pick out which posts those are? If you can't there is no hope for you.

Quote: bogdanm

Hello,

I`ve lost some money due to gambling and I`m looking for a system that actually makes me money. I do have some products that I`ve bought and can share in exchange for some other ebooks the problems is that mine just don`t work so is there anybody here who is willing to leak or at least point me in the right direction to buy a good betting systems?
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Here’s a system. Bet what you can afford and enjoy gambling. It’s entertainment, not profit driven. Unless you are a poker sharp or have some how been able to stay under the radar of card counting…sadly, it’s not a profit driven game over the long haul.

My second piece of advice…don’t buy any systems. There are none that make money. Use the money for gambling entertainment instead.

Quote: Marcusclark66

I never claimed to be an Advantage Player. I claim to be able to take advantage of certain situations and win nicely from those.

That’s the very definition of Advantage Player.

Quote: Marcusclark66

I never claimed to be an Advantage Player. I claim to be able to take advantage of certain situations and win nicely from those.

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The situation: Whenever he bets.
The advantage: He always wins.

Quote: mwalz9

The advantage: He always wins.
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Not so.
He occasionally reports a modest loss. Look back at the prediction I emailed you :o) Didn't i call it?

He has an unassailable advantage. He chooses the words in his posts. He chooses the the numbers to report and the day to report them. He chooses every single letter and digit.

No game of chance can influence that.

This week I learned 3 card poker. I played online and won $53,000 over two days. It was so easy. I'll do it again next week. No system. I just bet big on the winning hands and bet low on the ones that were going to lose.

See. That was easy, wasn't it.

Anyhow, to get back on topic.... All systems are bunk. Hit and run is bunk. Stop loss and win goals are bunk. Pressing into trends is bunk. My secret unexplained special insight is bunk.

Advantage players espouse none of those things.

Those who do espouse those things are not what you and I would call advantage players. And still they are welcome to report eye watering profits from their 'situations' or as one guy used to call them, his 'special plays'

Don't be jealous, guys. You too can report infinite luck, good looks, health, wealth and happiness.

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: mwalz9

The advantage: He always wins.
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Not so.
He occasionally reports a modest loss. Look back at the prediction I emailed you :o) Didn't i call it?

He has an unassailable advantage. He chooses the words in his posts. He chooses the the numbers to report and the day to report them. He chooses every single letter and digit.

No game of chance can influence that.

This week I learned 3 card poker. I played online and won $53,000 over two days. It was so easy. I'll do it again next week. No system. I just bet big on the winning hands and bet low on the ones that were going to lose.

See. That was easy, wasn't it.

Anyhow, to get back on topic.... All systems are bunk. Hit and run is bunk. Stop loss and win goals are bunk. Pressing into trends is bunk. My secret unexplained special insight is bunk.

Advantage players espouse none of those things.

Those who do espouse those things are not what you and I would call advantage players. And still they are welcome to report eye watering profits from their 'situations' or as one guy used to call them, his 'special plays'

Don't be jealous, guys. You too can report infinite luck, good looks, health, wealth and happiness.
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This post should close out this thread. ;-)

Nothing left.

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: mwalz9

The advantage: He always wins.
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Not so.
He occasionally reports a modest loss. Look back at the prediction I emailed you :o) Didn't i call it?

He has an unassailable advantage. He chooses the words in his posts. He chooses the the numbers to report and the day to report them. He chooses every single letter and digit.

No game of chance can influence that.

This week I learned 3 card poker. I played online and won $53,000 over two days. It was so easy. I'll do it again next week. No system. I just bet big on the winning hands and bet low on the ones that were going to lose.

See. That was easy, wasn't it.

Anyhow, to get back on topic.... All systems are bunk. Hit and run is bunk. Stop loss and win goals are bunk. Pressing into trends is bunk. My secret unexplained special insight is bunk.

Advantage players espouse none of those things.

Those who do espouse those things are not what you and I would call advantage players. And still they are welcome to report eye watering profits from their 'situations' or as one guy used to call them, his 'special plays'

Don't be jealous, guys. You too can report infinite luck, good looks, health, wealth and happiness.
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OnceDear,

I understand your hatred towards myself, but you are wrong about your insinuations regarding me.

As well, I have been nice, cordial and nothing but positive towards you. But there is seemingly IMO, no two way street with yourself, correct me if I am wrong.

Thank you and regards,
Marcus Clark

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Quote: Marcusclark66

I never claimed to be an Advantage Player. I claim to be able to take advantage of certain situations and win nicely from those.

I also apply my decades of being in a casino and having full exploitable knowledge of what extended time does to ones winnings or his bankroll at the table.

Period.
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As to "extended time", that sounds like the house edge grinding away.

As to "certain situations", I can think of several moderators and long time members who could discreetly ascertain if these certain situations are legitimate or misperceived via PM, should you care to.
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When I get extra time, I can p.m. yourself in strict confidence.

Get him to sign an N.D.A. I hear they are all the rage these days.

Quote: Marcusclark66

OnceDear,

I understand your hatred towards myself, but you are wrong about your insinuations regarding me.

As well, I have been nice, cordial and nothing but positive towards you. But there is seemingly IMO, no two way street with yourself, correct me if I am wrong.

Thank you and regards,
Marcus Clark
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No, No No.
Let me correct you.

I don't hate you. Not at all. I don't even know you. How could I?

Somewhere behind the writings of the anonymous member known as MarcusClark66 is a real person. Clearly eloquent, intelligent and creative. I admire That guy's output. I enjoy his posts. I sense his good sense of humour. I reckon we would get on like a house on fire in the real world, so long as he didn't get too touchy feely with the hugs $:o). Maybe one of these days we will meet on whatsapp or similar.

Stay Safe,
Keep up the good work
Regards and a friendly elbow bump,
OD

I suggest you check out the YouTube channel of Christopher Mitchell. No guarantee but he seems to win consistently for himself and his followers. There are also posters on this very forum like the MDawg and Marcus who claim to have won large amounts but haven’t exposed their methods. Perhaps they can take a newbie like yourself under their wing and explain how they beat negative expectation games daily.

In any case you need to understand while many on here say you can’t beat the math long term, if you hit and run you can beat the math. Best luck and wishes to you.

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I suggest you check out the YouTube channel of Christopher Mitchell. No guarantee but he seems to win consistently for himself and his followers. There are also posters on this very forum like the MDawg and Marcus who claim to have won large amounts but haven’t exposed their methods. Perhaps they can take a newbie like yourself under their wing and explain how they beat negative expectation games daily.

In any case you need to understand while many on here say you can’t beat the math long term, if you hit and run you can beat the math. Best luck and wishes to you.
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Welcome new user. Long time, no see.
[understatement]
The advice to seek out and emulate those guys is not recommended.
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Quote: OnceDear

Quote: Isitgambling

I suggest you check out the YouTube channel of Christopher Mitchell. No guarantee but he seems to win consistently for himself and his followers. There are also posters on this very forum like the MDawg and Marcus who claim to have won large amounts but haven’t exposed their methods. Perhaps they can take a newbie like yourself under their wing and explain how they beat negative expectation games daily.

In any case you need to understand while many on here say you can’t beat the math long term, if you hit and run you can beat the math. Best luck and wishes to you.
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Welcome new user. Long time, no see.
[understatement]
The advice to seek out and emulate those guys is not recommended.
[/understatement]
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I may [or may not] have been here before. My statement is I am a new user who just found this forum.

But I will ask if you personally can prove Christopher isn’t a long term winner with his strategy? And can you prove MDawg and his protege aren’t up hundreds of thousands with their undisclosed methods?

Both are allowed to claim they win more than they lose so why would you recommend someone not reach out to them if looking to win? They may not share their methods but you come off as someone not believing players can win in the short term if they hit and run.

Christopher Mitchell who lives a millionaire lifestyle proves you wrong. As do MDawg and Marcus.

Quote: Isitgambling

But I will ask if you personally can prove Christopher isn’t a long term winner with his strategy? And can you prove MDawg and his protege aren’t up hundreds of thousands with their undisclosed methods?

It is impossible to prove a negative…akin to saying prove to me martians don’t exist.

The onus is ALWAYS on the person making a claim to PROVE it to be true, not the other way around.

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Quote: Isitgambling

But I will ask if you personally can prove Christopher isn’t a long term winner with his strategy? And can you prove MDawg and his protege aren’t up hundreds of thousands with their undisclosed methods?

It is impossible to prove a negative…akin to saying prove to me martians don’t exist.

The onus is ALWAYS on the person making a claim to PROVE it to be true, not the other way around.
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People continue to give Christopher a $1000 to join his inter circle and fly to Vegas to meet up with him on this birthday to shower him with gifts. So no the onus isn’t on him. His lifestyle and followers prove he is successful regardless of what you wish to claim.

Are you also saying it’s on MDawg and Marcus to prove what they are claiming? It appears the jealousy of players who have proven the short term can win big outweighs the long term odds people here and they are bitter. My understanding is the original forum owner has verified MDawg has found a way to consistently beat the casinos but isn’t allowed for good reasons to disclose his methods. And he has taught a limited amount of others to do the same including Marcus. Thus the original poster has a valid question that can only be answered if others wish to disclose their methods to him.

Quote: OnceDear

Anyhow, to get back on topic.... All systems are bunk. Hit and run is bunk. Stop loss and win goals are bunk. Pressing into trends is bunk. My secret unexplained special insight is bunk.
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You forgot feng shui (as applied to elements of chance) and The Sacred Flow of The Cards.

I haven't sold a single copy of my mystical ebook which details my secret unexplained special insight since you posted, by the way. I'd appreciate clarification on the antecedent of "My", even though I don't really expect sales to improve.

Quote: Marcusclark66

When I get extra time, I can p.m. yourself in strict confidence.
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I'm reasonably discreet on these matters.
My schedule is probably as harried as yours, so please understand that my review is also contingent on the mythical "extra time".

Quote: Isitgambling

My understanding is the original forum owner has verified MDawg has found a way to consistently beat the casinos but isn’t allowed for good reasons to disclose his methods.
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I believe your understanding to be at least partially incorrect.

There is a difference between "winning" and "beating a game".

Quote: Isitgambling

People continue to give Christopher a $1000 to join his inter circle and fly to Vegas to meet up with him on this birthday to shower him with gifts. So no the onus isn’t on him. His lifestyle and followers prove he is successful regardless of what you wish to claim.

Um, yeah…proves nothing. Maybe they just like the guy and want to spend time with him. People pony up money to share the table with craps players/teachers. Doesn’t mean they have a way of beating the game. One look at his video and I hear carnival barker looking for his next dupe. PT Barnum was right. Christopher Mitchell is also an ex porn actor….LOL. Seems very credible that’s he’s now offering how to beat casinos. Please don’t tell me you fell for his schtick?

Quote: Isitgambling

Are you also saying it’s on MDawg and Marcus to prove what they are claiming?

Yes. But I concede it’s likely impossible to prove.

Quote: Isitgambling

My understanding is the original forum owner has verified MDawg has found a way to consistently beat the casinos but isn’t allowed for good reasons to disclose his methods.

That’s just not true per my understanding. There is an easy way to win more times than you lose. Based on a previous post, it seems there may be a martingale system at work. Keep buying in for bigger and bigger and making bigger bets to try and overcome losses. I believe that was verified in a post (see link). Anyone can set up a system to win 9 in 10 sessions and look like a miracle worker with a 90% win rate. It’s still a negative expectation.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/36647-the-adventures-of-mdawg-ii/4/#post833908

Quote: Isitgambling

And he has taught a limited amount of others to do the same including Marcus

There is no system to beat baccarat.

Oh, and by the way…Christopher Mitchell’s “system” for guaranteeing you to beat the casinos is nothing more than a martingale. He doubles every bet on a loss. Great system. Smh. The dude looks and sounds like a classic scam artist too.

Here, you are better off watching this than his videos.

https://youtu.be/GBspkFipfdg

Quote: Marcusclark66

OnceDear,

I understand your hatred towards myself,

cry baby cry


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Quote: Isitgambling

I may [or may not] have been here before. My statement is I am a new user who just found this forum.

You know the rules here. I am allowed to not believe you, and I don't, but I'm not allowed to call you a liar.

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But I will ask if you personally can prove Christopher isn’t a long term winner with his strategy?

The old 'prove a negative chestnut': He makes a living out of promoting his rubbish. That pretty obviously gives him a decent income. Who's going to pay me to debunk him?

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And can you prove MDawg and his protege aren’t up hundreds of thousands with their undisclosed methods?

Why would I even try? I'm not paid to investigate such claims, nor the paranormal, nor whether the earth is flat or that the moon-landings were staged. You can waste your life on your beliefs and I can waste mine on mine. From time to time, we members bounce opinions around. Simple concept.

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Both are allowed to claim they win more than they lose so why would you recommend someone not reach out to them if looking to win?

They can indeed claim to have the Holy Grail. Doesn't mean I have to endorse them.

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... you come off as someone not believing players can win in the short term if they hit and run.

Hit and run is not a winning strategy in any meaningful way.

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Christopher Mitchell who lives a millionaire lifestyle proves you wrong. As do MDawg and Marcus.
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They prove nothing.

Quote: Isitgambling

My understanding is the original forum owner has verified MDawg has found a way to consistently beat the casinos but isn’t allowed for good reasons to disclose his methods. And he has taught a limited amount of others to do the same including Marcus. Thus the original poster has a valid question that can only be answered if others wish to disclose their methods to him.
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Your understanding is wrong. your statement of it is a misrepresentation.

_________


it's very obvious that there are quite a few posters here trying to push the forum towards accepting some version of the martingale as being a valuable and winning method not just for the short term but for the long term

the forum is lucky that a great many here know for a fact that this is false and indicate so in their posts

but that could change - and very soon

this forum could soon be overwhelmed with martingale or pattern deducing gamblers dreaming that they and fraudulent youtubers either are or are destined to be long term winners of huge bucks

a very sad situation if that does happen

the posters here should all be grateful to OnceDear and Mission and Dieter and TDVegas and Axel and some others who continually bat down this nonsense

I'm surprised and grateful they're haven't become tired of it all and haven't stopped posting


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Quote: TDVegas

Um, yeah…proves nothing. Maybe they just like the guy and want to spend time with him. People pony up money to share the table with craps players/teachers. Doesn’t mean they have a way of beating the game. One look at his video and I hear carnival barker looking for his next dupe. PT Barnum was right. Christopher Mitchell is also an ex porn actor….LOL... link to original post

oh, man, Isitgambling has set himself up for some ribbing now! what could it be that attracts him to Mr. Mitchell LOL.

Carnival barker, yes, you're onto something here too!

I hope Isitgambling doesn't watch this video, you'd soon hear " ooh, wow, a Sea Witch! And ancient secrets revealed! Ooh!"

I once read that forums and fish have one thing in common, they both rot from the head down.

Quote: billryan

I once read that forums and fish have one thing in common.....
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OUCH, Bill.
I invite you to rethink that post.

Quote: Isitgambling

I may [or may not] have been here before. My statement is I am a new user who just found this forum.

But I will ask if you personally can prove Christopher isn’t a long term winner with his strategy? And can you prove MDawg and his protege aren’t up hundreds of thousands with their undisclosed methods?

Both are allowed to claim they win more than they lose so why would you recommend someone not reach out to them if looking to win? They may not share their methods but you come off as someone not believing players can win in the short term if they hit and run.

Christopher Mitchell who lives a millionaire lifestyle proves you wrong. As do MDawg and Marcus.
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That's not how it works; you're the one who is either making or implying a positive claim, so the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate the potential veracity, if not outright prove, that claim.

In any event, one key difference between Mitchell and MDawg is that MDawg doesn't seem to be selling anything. I should like to think if anyone could prove he was doing so, not just here, but anywhere, that he would be gone.

Also, who argues that someone cannot win in the short-term? It's always amusing when people wander along putting arguments in our mouths that we never made. If you can present a system, call it a, 'Strategy,' if you prefer and it follows some sort of mechanical rules, then many of us here could give you a rough estimation, if not a precise answer, as to the probability of being ahead after a particular number of attempts.

MarcusClark, by his own words, works in security for a casino that, I believe, he said is in the Midwest. He has also made claims as to his bankroll. Nothing that MarcusClark has ever said would lead me to the conclusion that he lives a, "Millionaire lifestyle," and I'd be surprised to see him make that claim.

As far as the others, I'd have no idea what sort of lifestyle they live other than MDawg has posted some pictures that would lead one to the conclusion that he lives an affluent lifestyle, and I certainly have no cause to disbelieve that. That you would assume such lifestyle comes entirely from their gambling is an interesting assumption to make, especially since, as we know, a non-zero amount of whatever money Mitchell has comes from selling his systems.

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People continue to give Christopher a $1000 to join his inter circle and fly to Vegas to meet up with him on this birthday to shower him with gifts. So no the onus isn’t on him. His lifestyle and followers prove he is successful regardless of what you wish to claim.

Can't you at least make a good argument? If enough people gave me $1,000 for nothing, then I would also have a lot of money.

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Are you also saying it’s on MDawg and Marcus to prove what they are claiming? It appears the jealousy of players who have proven the short term can win big outweighs the long term odds people here and they are bitter. My understanding is the original forum owner has verified MDawg has found a way to consistently beat the casinos but isn’t allowed for good reasons to disclose his methods. And he has taught a limited amount of others to do the same including Marcus. Thus the original poster has a valid question that can only be answered if others wish to disclose their methods to him.
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Well, it was eventually put on MDawg to demonstrate at least some aspects of his claims, which he did successfully---but not to the extent of proving that he is playing with an expectation of profit. That said, and crucially, MDawg is not selling anything.

As far as MarcusClark goes, he hasn't proven any of his claims, but nobody is in a position to demand he do so. For my part, I am neither richer nor poorer as a result of MarcusClark's claims being true or untrue, so as long as he isn't selling anything, I don't really care.

Again, can you point to anyone who specifically denies that someone can have an actual result of profit in the short-term? Anyone who would deny such a thing has just a poor of understanding as to gambling math as those who believe that systems can be expected to result in long-term winning.

From Mission146. “ MarcusClark, by his own words, works in security for a casino that, I believe, he said is in the Midwest. He has also made claims as to his bankroll. Nothing that MarcusClark has ever said would lead me to the conclusion that he lives a, "Millionaire lifestyle," and I'd be surprised to see him make that claim. ”

You are spot on. Thank you. Lifestyle, I would classify as middle to upper middle class. Suburban area of a mid sized metropolitan city. And not a selling anything as well.

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If enough people gave me $1,000 for nothing, then I would also have a lot of money.
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I believe you!

Personally my opinion is there is no system to always win. Never claimed there was and never claimed to have always won. Just so we are perfectly clear on those.

However there are certainly situations that one has to be a keen to. Those are the ones that weigh in the players favor, IMO.

You may have never claimed to have always won, but also the fact that you post your "true win money bankrolls" on a per post basis making it so easy a beginning accountant could reconcile your sessions ans bankroll to show that 1 of 2 things is happening:

1)You do always win. (Proven that the bankrolls always grow and never get smaller" or
2)The actual monetary value of said bankrolls is false.

One would claim that posters, only post their wins and not their losses. Which could be true, but since you post your bankrolls for the world to see, the are no unposted losses to deduct from those bankrolls.

I dunno, I only a have BS in finance and accounting, not a Masters.

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I once read that forums and fish have one thing in common.....
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OUCH, Bill.
I invite you to rethink that post.
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Why? I'm not sure how someone can keep proclaiming their love of free speech but be bothered when people actually exercise it.
If some people can post their flights of fantasy without repercussion, I'd hope the powers that be would extend to all.

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However there are certainly situations that one has to be a keen to. Those are the ones that weigh in the players favor, IMO.
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Would you name ONE such situation?

You have said you look for triggers. Now you mention "Situations". What's the nature of the secret.... Not the actual secret, just the nature of it?

Would it be in the form of "The display shows a pattern ......"
or would it maybe of the form of "I observed the faces of some of the cards as they were put in the shoe"
or would it be "Everyone was betting ... So I bet ..."
or something unrelated to the game like "I got a spontaneous erection when I saw the dealer so I played ..."

In fairness, if a dealer ever gave me a spontaneous erection, I would probably play at that table. I can't imagine I'd have much of an advantage, though.

I had a friend in high school who was convinced that the word balloons inside the comic Moon Mullins somehow gave out winning horses. For some reason, two NY papers would carry the cartoon on the horse page and it seemed to be common knowledge at the local OTB that the strip could help pick winners. He was great at establishing the pattern after the race. The six horse would win, so he'd subtract the bold letters from the regular ones, subtract the difference from the total, add two and you would come up with six. Other times, you'd count the letters after the first comma and subtract the total words to come up with four- which happened to be the winning horse in the last race. I think he had almost sixty patterns identified. The problem was he could only id which pattern to use after the winner was determined. It never occurred to him to simply proclaim he won. That would be too easy.

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I had a friend in high school who was convinced that the word balloons inside the comic Moon Mullins somehow gave out winning horses. For some reason, two NY papers would carry the cartoon on the horse page and it seemed to be common knowledge at the local OTB that the strip could help pick winners. He was great at establishing the pattern after the race. The six horse would win, so he'd subtract the bold letters from the regular ones, subtract the difference from the total, add two and you would come up with six. Other times, you'd count the letters after the first comma and subtract the total words to come up with four- which happened to be the winning horse in the last race. I think he had almost sixty patterns identified. The problem was he could only id which pattern to use after the winner was determined. It never occurred to him to simply proclaim he won. That would be too easy.
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That is both hilarious and so convoluted that there were probably nearly zero races in which none of the patterns would have, 'Worked.'

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the world of gamblers is a world full of liars
there are even a fair number who actually are APs who are liars
I never post about my results anymore (except for easily verifiable sports betting results which never include any monetary claims) because I don't want to be a part of it all

anybody who has been around gamblers for any length of time knows how prone to lying so many of them are

but only the most 𝙥𝙖𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙩𝙞𝙘𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮 𝙜𝙪𝙡𝙡𝙞𝙗𝙡𝙚 are going to believe an anonymous poster on a gambling board claiming big long term wins and stating that he has some "secret system" or methods which he cannot reveal

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