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December 30th, 2023 at 10:25:27 AM permalink
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Maybe they want all cash-outs above a certain number figure, say $600 or $1,200 so they can square it with their online IRS responsibilities. Cashing out less just looks like structuring, lol.
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I doubt it. Lots and lots of people cash out all the time because they're afraid the casino is going to steal their money if they leave it in there. How many times in the casino have you seen players cash out in the slots every time they get a win. I saw it all the time and they would go to the machines and they would have a thick wad of tickets. A lot of those people are playing online now and I'm sure their attitude is not changed.
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December 30th, 2023 at 10:31:27 AM permalink
It's usually the people getting voucher pays because they're hitting up towards the $3,000 credit limit on the slot machine. But it is hard to believe casinos are worse than banks and can be so untoward towards their customers.

One time this year I sat down at a Spanish 21 table that I waited 2 hours to open up. It was marked as a $10 table. As he was getting the decks of cards on the table, I was told I couldn't be at the table, so I went to get a soda. I came back 2 sodas later and had a seat when he was done shuffling. Within 20 seconds, 3 other people sat down and the sign was raised to $15 minimum. I asked what happened to the $10 table. I was told I was grandfathered in. We hadn't even played one hand yet. So if I leave the table for more than 20 minutes and don't make it back, I can't get the $10 minimum again. There goes my dinner break. And I get stuck all alone because the other players left on a cold deck, and I can't leave and the dealer won't shuffle up. I placed my last bet and tipped the remainder.
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December 30th, 2023 at 12:06:11 PM permalink
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I actually read this article once about the golddigger types and what bars they hang out at in the city I live in, looking for rich men. One of the girls interviewed mentioned that she knows "all the signs" to look for, such as the clothing, watches and pens that the rich men carry (MontBlanc, Waterman, etc.) Of course this was an old article, because almost no one carries around a pen anymore. Other than pit bosses.

I am sure the alligator shoes Ace2 mentioned would be high on the checklist.
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What about these Ace2, would the golddiggers recognize them for what they are trying to be?

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December 31st, 2023 at 1:00:33 AM permalink
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Maybe they want all cash-outs above a certain number figure, say $600 or $1,200 so they can square it with their online IRS responsibilities. Cashing out less just looks like structuring, lol.
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Cash out and deposits are not free for the online casinos online they pay processing fees, and it adds up. If you have a player who's constantly depositing and Cashing Out the minimum amount daily/weekly or whatever, it starts adding up. Think about it, if a player is only losing 1%-5% of 50 bucks, but the casino is paying $10 to $20 in transaction fees, paying employees etc. It doesn't make any sense for them to want to deal with those people since they are a net loss. I have a feeling it's either the industry standard or some kind of Regulation saying that they must allow or some kind of regulation saying that they must allow minimum cashouts of x amount.

Many offshore joints don't allow you to cash out any less than $200, oftentimes they have as much as three times rollover before you can even attempt to cash out.

I talked to a guy who owned a small online offshore Casino. He offered all the usual Casino stuff but he mainly had the Casino for sports betting.
He said if I knew anybody to send them his way. He asked me not to send him any small time slot players since they just ended up costing him money with transaction fees.
I told him just to raise the limits, but I guess he didn't have that option since it wasn't his software. Obviously, a small-time operator is going to have bigger fees but I'm sure they all do.
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December 31st, 2023 at 1:17:50 AM permalink
So if someone were to win $1,000 often enough they could build up a balance of say $10K then withdraw $1K and cover the processing fees, and keep winning with the $9K they have left on account.
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December 31st, 2023 at 5:36:10 AM permalink
Is MDawg doing anything casino related for NYE?
SOOPOO deferred to wifey for any and all plans for tonight. I am happy to say she made plans with two other couples for a 6:30 dinner. So home likely by 9:30! I’m past wanting to be anywhere but my own bed at midnight!
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December 31st, 2023 at 9:26:06 AM permalink
As far as past NYE's parties in casinos, been to many in both Lake Tahoe (Stateline, NV), and Las Vegas.

In Tahoe people pour onto the streets which are closed off, similar to how part of the Strip is closed off. All of the casinos have similar events in terms of a sit down dinner and entertainment that goes through midnight, plus some of them shoot off fireworks outside.

The biggest best NYE party we have been to has been at Wynn. They lay out something like $8-9M for their party. Just walking into it, you realize that you're at THE Party (which is what they called it one year, The Party).

Pictures from one of the Wynn NYE's parties below.



















At the Wynn NYE party they have two different seating sections, regular and VIP. In addition to the sit down food, which really is more than you'd want to eat in one sitting anyway especially if you have been "party hopping" to different casino NYE parties as we usually do, at Wynn they also have a massive seafood self serve station, along with some other food stations and lots of open bars including champagne on tap.
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December 31st, 2023 at 9:51:50 AM permalink
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Is MDawg doing anything casino related for NYE?
SOOPOO deferred to wifey for any and all plans for tonight. I am happy to say she made plans with two other couples for a 6:30 dinner. So home likely by 9:30! I’m past wanting to be anywhere but my own bed at midnight!
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I suggested to wifey that from 1am to 5am we should spend at Waffle House just to take in the atmosphere. She declined.

I will be in bed by 9pm because I will probably want to stay up late tomorrow for the Texas Washington game.
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December 31st, 2023 at 10:23:17 AM permalink
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I suggested to wifey that from 1am to 5am we should spend at Waffle House just to take in the atmosphere. She declined.
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My experience suggests Denny's has a better scene, despite WH having a preferable menu.
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December 31st, 2023 at 11:05:39 AM permalink
Staying in on NYE isn't such a bad idea. But in Vegas, it's a pretty safe environment inside the casino resorts themselves.
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December 31st, 2023 at 12:41:15 PM permalink
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Staying in on NYE isn't such a bad idea. But in Vegas, it's a pretty safe environment inside the casino resorts themselves.
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When I had the bar I had to work every New Year's Eve till 4:00 a.m. And I did that 3 years in a row and it's the last time I've been out of the house on New Year's Eve and that was 40 years ago. People are insane on New Year's Eve, it's amateur night for drinkers. And those people leave and drive home. Scared the crap out of me, scared me enough that I will never go anywhere on New Year's even in the daytime.
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December 31st, 2023 at 12:46:17 PM permalink
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I suggested to wifey that from 1am to 5am we should spend at Waffle House just to take in the atmosphere. She declined.
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My experience suggests Denny's has a better scene, despite WH having a preferable menu.
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Blasphemy!!! There is no atmosphere like the inside of a Waffle house at 2am.

Besides all Waffle Houses are open 24 hours and not all Denny's are.
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December 31st, 2023 at 1:31:39 PM permalink
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I suggested to wifey that from 1am to 5am we should spend at Waffle House just to take in the atmosphere. She declined.
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My experience suggests Denny's has a better scene, despite WH having a preferable menu.
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Blasphemy!!! There is no atmosphere like the inside of a Waffle house at 2am.

Besides all Waffle Houses are open 24 hours and not all Denny's are.
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Waffle House tends towards a delightfully egalitarian atmosphere.
Denny's tends to attract a slightly more upscale clientele.

I have lost track of the times that the paramedics and I are the only white faces in the Denny's at 2am. I encounter far fewer gang soldiers and streetwalkers in the Waffle House.
I get that your neighborhood demographic differs substantially from mine.

Valentine's Day fast approaches. Maybe your WH will have the tablecloths this year.
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December 31st, 2023 at 3:35:36 PM permalink
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I have lost track of the times that the paramedics and I are the only white faces in the Denny's at 2am.
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Maybe this is something you should share with your cardiologist. I think we might gotten to the root of what your problems might be. Isn't Denny's the place that has special extra wide booths for their many extra wide customers?
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December 31st, 2023 at 3:40:23 PM permalink
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I have lost track of the times that the paramedics and I are the only white faces in the Denny's at 2am.
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Maybe this is something you should share with your cardiologist. I think we might gotten to the root of what your problems might be. Isn't Denny's the place that has special extra wide booths for their many extra wide customers?
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December 31st, 2023 at 4:14:28 PM permalink
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I used to do a lot of things in the before-times.
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Did you personally invite the paramedics there so they could be on hand after you finished your third Grand Slam breakfast?
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December 31st, 2023 at 4:15:47 PM permalink
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Blasphemy!!! There is no atmosphere like the inside of a Waffle house at 2am.
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Never seen the inside of a Waffle House in my life. Just driving by one makes me feel prediabetic..
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December 31st, 2023 at 4:53:39 PM permalink
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Blasphemy!!! There is no atmosphere like the inside of a Waffle house at 2am.
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Never seen the inside of a Waffle House in my life. Just driving by one makes me feel prediabetic..
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My guess is that you haven't driven by one in a long time.

I like Waffle House because the food reminds me of what I assume a 1970's truck stop would serve.
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December 31st, 2023 at 5:12:09 PM permalink
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I used to do a lot of things in the before-times.
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Did you personally invite the paramedics there so they could be on hand after you finished your third Grand Slam breakfast?
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Never was a fan of the Grand Slam. Too much pancakery.
Steak (possibly chicken-fried) & eggs or one of the fried sandwiches (super bird rings a bell). I could probably follow it with a slice of "pie" (cool whip in a crust).

I'm not the sort to call paramedics for myself. We die like men.
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December 31st, 2023 at 5:19:56 PM permalink
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Blasphemy!!! There is no atmosphere like the inside of a Waffle house at 2am.
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Never seen the inside of a Waffle House in my life. Just driving by one makes me feel prediabetic..
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My guess is that you haven't driven by one in a long time.

I like Waffle House because the food reminds me of what I assume a 1970's truck stop would serve.
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Very few of the old sit-down diners left. Grovertown updated; Rambler's Roost sold off to the campground; Noble's sold off a few years back. I believe the fellow who took over Noble's did few adjustments beyond pricing.

There are other diners, but the fare is updated to a more modern taste - usually late 1980's. Waffle House seems greasier than one would expect, although the meat portions are about right.
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December 31st, 2023 at 7:09:02 PM permalink
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Blasphemy!!! There is no atmosphere like the inside of a Waffle house at 2am.
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All right so you know little about Walter Cronkite and I know nothing about Waffle House, never even heard the name before today.

The Denny's located next to the clubs was always a late night hang out especially for the slightly under 21 set.
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Don't forget, it's 2024 now. I already had a letter and contract I wrote up this morning that both needed the 2024 date.  🤩

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All right so you know little about Walter Cronkite and I know nothing about Waffle House, never even heard the name before today.

The Denny's located next to the clubs was always a late night hang out especially for the slightly under 21 set.



You need to get more worldly. There are over 1,900 Waffle Houses in the U.S. If nothing else, you need to be familiar with the Waffle House Index created by FEMA. During a natural disaster the severity is determined by how many Waffle Houses close during the disaster.
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January 2nd, 2024 at 10:16:44 AM permalink
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All right so you know little about Walter Cronkite and I know nothing about Waffle House, never even heard the name before today.

The Denny's located next to the clubs was always a late night hang out especially for the slightly under 21 set.



You need to get more worldly. There are over 1,900 Waffle Houses in the U.S. If nothing else, you need to be familiar with the Waffle House Index created by FEMA. During a natural disaster the severity is determined by how many Waffle Houses close during the disaster.
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I have been driving by IHOPs and Waffle House since the 60s and have never been in either one. I don't eat pancakes, I eat real food.
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January 2nd, 2024 at 6:47:18 PM permalink
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I have been driving by IHOPs and Waffle House since the 60s and have never been in either one. I don't eat pancakes, I eat real food.
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You are just being naive if you think they only sell waffles. I do like a good pecan waffle, but I usually just get bacon, eggs, and hash browns. Waffle House is also the largest seller of T-bone steaks in the U.S.
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January 3rd, 2024 at 12:34:08 AM permalink
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I have been driving by IHOPs and Waffle House since the 60s and have never been in either one. I don't eat pancakes, I eat real food.
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You are just being naive if you think they only sell waffles. I do like a good pecan waffle, but I usually just get bacon, eggs, and hash browns. Waffle House is also the largest seller of T-bone steaks in the U.S.
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Ahh, the T-bone steak and eggs, medium/over easy, hash browns scattered/well, all the way. Good times.
Some people get mad that the hash browns come in as dry shreds, but I think they cook up nicely.
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January 3rd, 2024 at 8:59:01 AM permalink
These are cooked in duck fat.

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January 3rd, 2024 at 10:02:40 AM permalink
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I don't eat pancakes, I eat real food.
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What does this even mean... I don't get it. What do you think pancakes are?

I don't know about now, but about 20 years ago when I would go to Waffle House every once in a while they had some of the best chicken I've ever had in my life.

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These are cooked in duck fat.
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You can get duck fat in a lot of grocery stores now, but it's kind of expensive. Like $12 or so for a small jar.
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January 3rd, 2024 at 10:17:49 AM permalink
We render it ourselves, every time we cook a duck, which is somewhat frequently lately. Been on a duck kick.

Roast goose too.



There is really nothing to it, just score the duck or goose, elevate it on a grill within the pan, and while it cooks all the fat drips into the pan. You'd be amazed how much fat comes out of a duck or goose during the process.

Ducks are carnivores, geese vegetarians, so the duck fat has a slightly stronger taste to it, but not gamey at all. The ducks I get are organic free range, and the geese all young geese. We prefer the duck it seems, geese don't really have such a unique taste to them compared to duck.

Basically you just chop up some garlic, onion or shallots, some apple, some lemon, (you may include the chopped liver in there too), dump powdered ginger or Chinese five spice on the stuffing, stuff the duck or goose with that, score the bird, put just seasoned salt and ground pepper all over it, cook at high heat (like 425 each side, ending with breast up) 30 mins each side, then lower temp to finish. For duck we lower temp to 300 for another 2 hours or so, for goose, all the way down to 175 for about 6 hours of slow cooking. The neck and the harder giblet pieces like the heart are seasoned with the same salt and pepper and thrown into the oven the last hour or so.
I actually do it all myself, I don't let anyone even help me anymore, I have gotten into it.
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January 3rd, 2024 at 2:35:30 PM permalink
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We render it ourselves, every time we cook a duck, which is somewhat frequently lately. Been on a duck kick.

Roast goose too.



There is really nothing to it, just score the duck or goose, elevate it on a grill within the pan, and while it cooks all the fat drips into the pan. You'd be amazed how much fat comes out of a duck or goose during the process.

Ducks are carnivores, geese vegetarians, so the duck fat has a slightly stronger taste to it, but not gamey at all. The ducks I get are organic free range, and the geese all young geese. We prefer the duck it seems, geese don't really have such a unique taste to them compared to duck.

Basically you just chop up some garlic, onion or shallots, some apple, some lemon, (you may include the chopped liver in there too), dump powdered ginger or Chinese five spice on the stuffing, stuff the duck or goose with that, score the bird, put just seasoned salt and ground pepper all over it, cook at high heat (like 425 each side, ending with breast up) 30 mins each side, then lower temp to finish. For duck we lower temp to 300 for another 2 hours or so, for goose, all the way down to 175 for about 6 hours of slow cooking. The neck and the harder giblet pieces like the heart are seasoned with the same salt and pepper and thrown into the oven the last hour or so.
I actually do it all myself, I don't let anyone even help me anymore, I have gotten into it.
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No red meat. Poultry and seafood, yes.
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January 4th, 2024 at 11:57:22 AM permalink
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Ahh, the T-bone steak and eggs, medium/over easy, hash browns scattered/well, all the way. Good times.
Some people get mad that the hash browns come in as dry shreds, but I think they cook up nicely.
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Never had a restaurant T-bone steak and eggs in my life where the steak wasn't one grade above shoe leather. After three bites your jaw is so tired from chewing you can't even eat the rest of it and you take it home and give it to your dog.. I don't eat places like Waffle House and IHOP because the very name implies a 19 year old high school dropout cook with a runny nose who never washes his hands after he plays himself in the bathroom.
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January 4th, 2024 at 12:27:08 PM permalink
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Ahh, the T-bone steak and eggs, medium/over easy, hash browns scattered/well, all the way. Good times.
Some people get mad that the hash browns come in as dry shreds, but I think they cook up nicely.
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Never had a restaurant T-bone steak and eggs in my life where the steak wasn't one grade above shoe leather. After three bites your jaw is so tired from chewing you can't even eat the rest of it and you take it home and give it to your dog.. I don't eat places like Waffle House and IHOP because the very name implies a 19 year old high school dropout cook with a runny nose who never washes his hands after he plays himself in the bathroom.
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That's actually one of the selling features of Waffle House. The open kitchen concept allows you to watch the cooks and waitstaff wash their hands regularly.

As for the quality of the steak... the pork chops may or may not be more tender. If you see staff ordering for themselves, you get a pretty good idea of just how (in)expensive that cut of meat is.
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January 4th, 2024 at 12:41:59 PM permalink
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That's actually one of the selling features of Waffle House. The open kitchen concept allows you to watch the cooks and waitstaff wash their hands regularly.
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And where do you think that came from. Because the so-called chefs they hire were notorious for poor hygiene. I used to know a guy in the '90s, I mentioned this before, who worked for the county as a restaurant inspector. He told me more than once but if you could see what goes on in the kitchens of these places you would never eat in a restaurant again for the rest of your life. Poor hygiene, spoiled food, food dropped on the floor and put back in the pan, undercooked food that has the potential to poison you, the list was really endless. The only thing he'll eat in a restaurant is the salad bar, and never the food that's room temperature because that's where all the foodborne bacteria is. He'll only eat the food at the salad bar that's constantly being heated because he has the least chance of getting sick. Things like soup and chili and food that is under the Hot Lights.
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January 4th, 2024 at 1:15:35 PM permalink
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That's actually one of the selling features of Waffle House. The open kitchen concept allows you to watch the cooks and waitstaff wash their hands regularly.
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And where do you think that came from. Because the so-called chefs they hire were notorious for poor hygiene. I used to know a guy in the '90s, I mentioned this before, who worked for the county as a restaurant inspector. He told me more than once but if you could see what goes on in the kitchens of these places you would never eat in a restaurant again for the rest of your life. Poor hygiene, spoiled food, food dropped on the floor and put back in the pan, undercooked food that has the potential to poison you, the list was really endless. The only thing he'll eat in a restaurant is the salad bar, and never the food that's room temperature because that's where all the foodborne bacteria is. He'll only eat the food at the salad bar that's constantly being heated because he has the least chance of getting sick. Things like soup and chili and food that is under the Hot Lights.
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Where did it come from?
Probably the fact that Waffle House restaurants are tiny, and an extra wall separating the kitchen from the dining room would add construction cost and make the limited space seem cramped.
I think you said you don't go to Waffle Houses. I can't blame you for being unfamiliar with the nuances.
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January 4th, 2024 at 1:20:50 PM permalink
I've never eaten at a Waffle House. I was surprised when I saw them. They aren't very upscale.
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January 4th, 2024 at 1:25:59 PM permalink
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Where did it come from?
Probably the fact that Waffle House restaurants are tiny, and an extra wall separating the kitchen from the dining room would add construction cost and make the limited space seem cramped.
I think you said you don't go to Waffle Houses. I can't blame you for being unfamiliar with the nuances.
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Entertaining reading, reviews of Waffle House. 2.7 out of 5 stars. 43% are 1 star and 23% are 5 stars. What a surprise.

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/food/waffle_house.html

Here's another one, 606 one star reviews and 144 five star reviews.

https://waffle-house.pissedconsumer.com/reviews/RT-P.html#reviews
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January 4th, 2024 at 5:29:52 PM permalink
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Never had a restaurant T-bone steak and eggs in my life where the steak wasn't one grade above shoe leather. After three bites your jaw is so tired from chewing you can't even eat the rest of it and you take it home and give it to your dog.. I don't eat places like Waffle House and IHOP because the very name implies a 19 year old high school dropout cook with a runny nose who never washes his hands after he plays himself in the bathroom.
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Once again your naivete is showing. Waffle house only hires mid 20's and above meth heads to do their cooking.
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January 4th, 2024 at 5:56:05 PM permalink
I haven't had any Waffle House experience.

But if the topic is low end, overrated restaurants, how about In N Out.

Dwayne Johnson backpedals about 'first ever' In-N-Out visit as fans do a double-double take

I haven't had any in over a year partly due to giving up on red meat, but the first time I had an In N Out burger I thought it was the greatest thing ever. That was maybe twenty years ago, so not like I was in any hurry to try one. But the second time I had one it didn't seem so great to me, and I realized that the first experience stood out because I was so hungry.

Over all, I don't even like their french fries they have a consistency of cardboard. Unsalted McDonald's fries taste better to me.

And take out In N Out tends to be mushy by the time you get it home.

Most fast food in general is best when you're hungry, and even then if you have any kind of refined palate or consideration for your health, you'll regret getting it after you start eating.

I think EvenBob would agree that the better you or someone at your home gets at cooking, the less often you even want to dine out, at least for many foods. There are exceptions - most ethnic foods, certain seafood like lobster, I leave for the restaurants. Not that I have observed carefully via his posts whatever E.Bob is making at home, but I assume he likes his food a certain way, as do I.

Waffles only taste good to me when they are fresh out of a waffle maker. As any minutes go by, they go downhill rapidly. If Waffle House doesn't make fresh waffles that get to the table instantly, then I wouldn't even consider them. For example, the waffles at a buffet - even if you take the ones near the back that came out more recently, still, they're already getting hard and cold. Pancakes tend to hold up longer.
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January 7th, 2024 at 10:47:56 AM permalink
Some discussion over my five recent years of heavy duty Vegas play.

The win loss statements I provided were so heavily in the + that even if you go by what some of these guys (who don't even play rated, and definitely not at a private table where the chances that the tally will be off is about 0 - because you are the only player and they just count the rack before and after your session) claim, that "it is possible to fool the pit bosses by rat holing a chip here and there," still they are evidence of a year end win for each year that I played. At the time that I provided those win loss statements publicly I made a wager that if anyone could find a casino anywhere in Vegas where I played that was not reported, I would pay him hundreds of thousands of dollars. Since then I have provided those win losses and checks to the Wizard in private because too many oddballs were going to try to use the win numbers to figure out who I was.

Plus anyway, how would rat holing a chip create a larger win? It would actually create a smaller win report.

Keep in mind that these win loss statements were live video of me logged into my player account navigating around the pages and then landing on the win loss web pages.

And then, promo chips and loss rebate slips demonstrated that I am doing what I claim to be doing.

Huge checks marked "verified pit winnings" are evidence of wins.

The ever present MDawg Challenge.

Yes, true, every bit of evidence anyone could provide might also have an alternate explanation, but versus providing no evidence at all....


Don't forget too that in the DarkOz Challenge I played and won, all witnessed by the Wizard, and during that session I played the same way I had been playing any other day during that particular trip. That Baccarat shoe had one run it, just one Player run of 8 hands and I won every hand in that run, the first and the last, pressing all the way. How did I do that?


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January 7th, 2024 at 11:20:02 AM permalink
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Plus anyway, how would rat holing a chip create a larger win? It would actually create a smaller win report.
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I think the immediate purpose of ratholing was always to deflate the win report.
Any actual win increase came from comps or improved longevity based on the deflated win report.
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January 8th, 2024 at 8:20:32 AM permalink
In my case playing at a private table they count the rack before and after I play, no way to fudge anything.

And even at public tables in high limit I have noticed them count the entire rack every time a player leaves.

So, they are on it.
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January 8th, 2024 at 3:11:33 PM permalink
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In my case playing at a private table they count the rack before and after I play, no way to fudge anything.

And even at public tables in high limit I have noticed them count the entire rack every time a player leaves.

So, they are on it.



That may be true for you but for us peasants that is not the case.
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January 8th, 2024 at 4:40:38 PM permalink
MDawg, let’s say you buy in for $20k, play for a few hours and tip out $1k. And at the end have $20k in chips in front of you. That $1k is in the dealer toke box or waitress bra….. Do you get recorded as a $1k win by the pit boss? I mean, for him, once you give back that $20k the rack is missing $1k?
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January 8th, 2024 at 5:04:44 PM permalink
I think it depends on WHEN he tips. If he tips after coloring up, they will say he had a $1K profit, and he gave it to the dealer. If he tipped before or well before the color up, they will say he came out even and had a $0 profit. That's how I picture it will be inputted on the pit screen and will affect win/loss statements. I think in this case, I'd rather tip early and make $0 for the session. No reason to take credit for wins I gave away. Of course we see the SlotLady Channel always giving tips when they leave after the color up; but I think it could hurt their bottom line unless tips are accounted for somewhere.
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January 8th, 2024 at 6:11:03 PM permalink
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I think it depends on WHEN he tips. If he tips after coloring up, they will say he had a $1K profit, and he gave it to the dealer. If he tipped before or well before the color up, they will say he came out even and had a $0 profit. That's how I picture it will be inputted on the pit screen and will affect win/loss statements. I think in this case, I'd rather tip early and make $0 for the session. No reason to take credit for wins I gave away. Of course we see the SlotLady Channel always giving tips when they leave after the color up; but I think it could hurt their bottom line unless tips are accounted for somewhere.
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There is a reason I asked him and not you, and your answer is why….. Try re-reading my question. I specifically outline tipping along the way. Not a big tip after you are done.
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January 8th, 2024 at 6:28:21 PM permalink
I suppose you ask this because the dealer's are counting their own rack instead of MDawg's stack when he colors up at a private table. I figure the dealer's would count MDawg's stack first. If there's a discrepancy, they can check their tip rumor mill.
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January 8th, 2024 at 6:45:10 PM permalink
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MDawg, let’s say you buy in for $20k, play for a few hours and tip out $1k. And at the end have $20k in chips in front of you. That $1k is in the dealer toke box or waitress bra….. Do you get recorded as a $1k win by the pit boss? I mean, for him, once you give back that $20k the rack is missing $1k?
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As long as the count is accurate, anything I place in the toke box or hand to the cocktail waitress that comes from my chips is counted towards my win.

As I mentioned above, the count is guaranteed to be accurate if I'm playing alone at a private table. It's probably going to be accurate too at any high limit table especially if we're talking to the tune of an entire K "missing" against a 20K stack.

At a public table, the pit bosses are pretty aware of who is tipping versus who is not such that when one of the "Georges" leaves the table the pit boss will be alert to that a good quantity went into the toke box from that player and will try to calculate the net results accurately.

Some casinos actually try to limit the tips from players - the old Hard Rock was like that. Peter Morton, tired of dealing with celebrities like Matt Damon who would get drunken and tip out massively all night, not caring, eventually put a cap of $100. on the co-play that any player, no matter how much he had in the circle, could wager for a dealer (most casinos allow up to 10% of the player's bet to ride for the dealer).

Casinos don't like to see too much locked into the toke box - it represents money they can never recover via a player loss.

One time I was playing all night winning a lot at blackjack. I won a huge amount that night but I also kept putting bets out for the dealers where we would win together. The next night, I was off property hanging out with a few of the dealers and one told me that everyone knew that I had tipped out very low five figures that night, which was divided among over 200 dealers.

She told me that,"We each got x dollars because of you." She knew the exact amount, even.

So, it does add up. Put it this way, if no one tipped, it would make a big difference to the dealers, even if it might just be a small amount that each person who does tip, tips.

When I play I'm pretty much just looking for a certain figure, a goal in the back of my mind. When I reach it or pass it slightly, I usually quit, and if I tip along the way all that happens is that it might take me a tiny bit longer to get to my goal. If I didn't tip at all, I wouldn't leave the table with that amount more that I didn't tip - I might just achieve my goal a tiny bit faster, is all.

Also, let's say it doesn't work out at all SooPoo - I pull that $20K you mentioned and I end up losing it all and decide to leave and not pull another marker. Well, if I had not tipped along the way I wouldn't walk with those tip dollars in my pocket I'd still end up busted flat.
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January 8th, 2024 at 7:51:43 PM permalink
They have to report the full amount of their winnings and no deduction is allowed for tips. (A professional gambler might be able to deduct tips as a gambling-related expense, depending on his or her particular situation.) - Jan 14, 2020

It's hard to find much about this topic anywhere. Small time poker players give a tip on winning hands but never keep track of how much they tip all night so it just comes out in their color up amount. Somebody wins a large jackpot and tips $14K and suddenly there's a gift tax and estimated tax on the balance?

With MDawg's closed loop of private tables, they can easily calculate how much went into the tip box and add that back to his win column at the pit kiosk. If he's a professional gambler, which MDawg may not be, he may have had to ask them not to add those tips back on as winnings at the kiosk.
But yeah, if you're giving away $18K of tips to one casino this year, you might be subject to a gift tax, idk.
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