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November 29th, 2023 at 7:37:55 PM permalink
Didn't intend to involve comps or loss rebates in this hypothetical.
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November 30th, 2023 at 10:48:24 PM permalink
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MDawg to MDawg challenge.
No Casino's no Gaming 180 days.
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Thinking about it.

Well at least the no gaming part.
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December 1st, 2023 at 5:31:27 AM permalink
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MDawg to MDawg challenge.
No Casino's no Gaming 180 days.
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Thinking about it.

Well at least the no gaming part.
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This makes no sense to me. UNLESS you feel the gambling/casino life/Vegas stays are having a negative impact on you. Go back homeÖ.. and come back to Vegas when you want to! Youíll know when you have that itchÖ.
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December 1st, 2023 at 10:05:44 AM permalink
Have other things to do for a while that are pressing. 🤫😃
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December 7th, 2023 at 11:26:37 AM permalink
Some of them try a little harder, but this....

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December 7th, 2023 at 12:10:58 PM permalink
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Some of them try a little harder, but this....


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Did you get the money yet?

I donít understand why they donít even try to make it seem reasonableÖ.

1. Find someone who speaks English to write it.
2. Make up a nearly plausible story.
3. Make the amount large enough to interest random doofus but not so high even the doofus is aware itís not real.
4. Figure out a way it doesnít go directly to SPAM folder
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December 7th, 2023 at 12:31:03 PM permalink
Some years ago a US Senator was scammed by some form of the Nigerian scam. He was pushing the FBI to get the scammer to give him the promised money, and the FBI had a hard time convincing the Senator that it was all a scam, that he had been scammed for all the "up front" fees and that nothing was forthcoming.

Clearly these scams do net some victims.

ĎNigerian princeí email scams still rake in over $700,000 a yearóhereís how to protect yourself


Another scam that has been circulating for some time involves an email that purports to have "bad news for you" whereby the emailer has accessed your computer and found compromising files on it that will be turned over to the authorities if you don't pay a via bitcoin ransom. I assume that child pornography holders and others with something to hide, including paranoid drug users might fall victim to those scams.

And of course there are the "I am a lonely nymphomaniac" type emails.


I'm sometimes tempted to write back to the scammers to see how far it will go, but assume I'll get on a "we've got a live one" torrential spam list just for replying.
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December 7th, 2023 at 12:39:44 PM permalink
These types of things are still happening in Vegas.

Foreign touristís $50K watch stolen in alleged Las Vegas Ďtrick rollí

In this one the tourist met a couple of girls at Caesars (that seems to be a hub for this type of activity), and, feeling sorry for them because they said they had no place to stay, invited them to stay at his room at the Westin. The next day he woke to find his suitcase, which contained among other things a $50,000. watch, gone.

At least one of the girls was identified by surveillance video on the streets, wheeling the suitcase off, and arrested. Those cameras are getting better at what they are supposed to do.

And as usual, not an attractive girl involved.

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December 7th, 2023 at 12:45:04 PM permalink
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Some years ago a US Senator was scammed by some form of the Nigerian scam.
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I knew somebody that fell for the Nigerian scam and it cost him like 10 grand. He was an old guy that had a lot of money. He also loaned some young guy he knew $50,000 to open a dance studio, this was just before I got to know him. I told him dance studios are very hard to make money at and sure enough 4 months later here comes the guy wants another $50,000 and because of me he didn't get it. It was a scam, there was no dance studio. I subscribe to YouTube channel that has an Australian guy who lives in India and one of the things he does is he busts these internet scam places. They often take up whole floors of office buildings and employ hundreds of people. It's a hugely lucrative business in India because they're so tech savvy. I am very hard to scam because I don't believe anybody but I'm very ashamed to report that my wife fell for one last year. Where they shut down your computer and you have to send them $175 to fix it. All kinds of warnings come up that if you restart your computer you will lose everything on it and when it happened to me of course I knew that was ridiculous so I just restarted my computer and the problem went away. My wife being a woman instead of calling me she panicked and paid them. She managed to stop it by calling her credit card company immediately but she never should have been that gullible because she's pretty darn smart.
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December 7th, 2023 at 12:48:01 PM permalink
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I'm very ashamed to report that my wife fell for one last year. Where they shut down your computer and you have to send them $175 to fix it. All kinds of warnings come up that if you restart your computer you will lose everything on it and when it happened to me of course I knew that was ridiculous so I just restarted my computer and the problem went away. My wife being a woman instead of calling me she panicked and paid them. She managed to stop it by calling her credit card company immediately but she never should have been that gullible because she's pretty darn smart.
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Yes, I've had older family members forward that email to me and ask what they should do. Another version involves some kind of anti virus protection that has expired and must be renewed or else very bad things will happen forthwith.

And let's not forget the lottery scam. In this version it seems like the "winners" are going to give you $1.5M Euros of their prize?



The good thing about spam/junk folders is that they do capture a lot of spam. The bad thing is that you still have to review these folders on occasion because sometimes legitimate emails end up in there.
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December 7th, 2023 at 12:52:09 PM permalink
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Some of them try a little harder, but this....


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Did you get the money yet?

I donít understand why they donít even try to make it seem reasonableÖ.

1. Find someone who speaks English to write it.
2. Make up a nearly plausible story.
3. Make the amount large enough to interest random doofus but not so high even the doofus is aware itís not real.
4. Figure out a way it doesnít go directly to SPAM folder
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They make them bad on purpose. Sure it lowers the response rate but it makes each responder more likely to be a victim as they fell for an email with ďobviousĒ red flags. The time consuming part for the scammer is this second stage so itís much more important to make sure that folk that make it to stage 2 are ďhigh value.Ē
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December 7th, 2023 at 12:56:51 PM permalink
Would be interesting to scrutinize the victims. Are they bored retirees with more money than they know what to do with, or desperate people caught at a low point in their lives?

"they always seem to come at a time that you're at your weakest and most in need of their help."
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December 7th, 2023 at 1:05:20 PM permalink
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Would be interesting to scrutinize the victims. Are they bored retirees with more money than they know what to do with, or desperate people caught at a low point in their lives?

"they always seem to come at a time that you're at your weakest and most in need of their help."
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I think the victims are mostly older women. There's a couple YouTube channels where all they do is they bust the India scammers. These guys talk in a high voice like they're a woman and they keep the scammers on the line sometimes for over an hour and when the scammers find out they're getting scanned they get really super angry and curse and swear and use the f word. Screaming about how much money they just cost him by keeping him on the line for an hour. The scammer is furious because he got scammed, LOL.
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December 7th, 2023 at 1:17:26 PM permalink
Yes years ago before youtube someone posted a step by step with pictures of what happens after you agree to meet one of these scammers, and the guy got the scammer to get as far as the airport looking for him before he let the scammer know he had been scammed. And along the way he got a picture of the guy ("so that I'll know whom to look for") which he posted too.

But again, whatever contact method you use to communicate with these scammers might be spammed to death after even just a single response.
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December 7th, 2023 at 1:36:48 PM permalink
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Would be interesting to scrutinize the victims. Are they bored retirees with more money than they know what to do with, or desperate people caught at a low point in their lives?

"they always seem to come at a time that you're at your weakest and most in need of their help."
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My mother who is 87 and was a bright educated women is now in the early stages of Alzheimers. We have had to forbid her from answering the phone because of all the scams she gets called on. I am guessing that at one point she must have given money to one of them because she is now on the list for all of them. Sadly, she is at the age and mental condition where if someone called her and said your son is in jail in Mexico and we can get him out for $10k, she would do it. We even had to take her credit cards away because she would give them out over the phone.
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December 7th, 2023 at 1:41:04 PM permalink
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Quote: MDawg

Would be interesting to scrutinize the victims. Are they bored retirees with more money than they know what to do with, or desperate people caught at a low point in their lives?

"they always seem to come at a time that you're at your weakest and most in need of their help."
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My mother who is 87 and was a bright educated women is now in the early stages of Alzheimers. We have had to forbid her from answering the phone because of all the scams she gets called on. I am guessing that at one point she must have given money to one of them because she is now on the list for all of them. Sadly, she is at the age and mental condition where if someone called her and said your son is in jail in Mexico and we can get him out for $10k, she would do it. We even had to take her credit cards away because she would give them out over the phone.
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One solution is to only give her credit cards that have very small limits like $200. And give her no access to bank accounts without approval of a family member. There's no reason somebody that old should have access to a lot of money.
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December 7th, 2023 at 2:28:57 PM permalink
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Quote: MDawg

Would be interesting to scrutinize the victims. Are they bored retirees with more money than they know what to do with, or desperate people caught at a low point in their lives?

"they always seem to come at a time that you're at your weakest and most in need of their help."
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My mother who is 87 and was a bright educated women is now in the early stages of Alzheimers. We have had to forbid her from answering the phone because of all the scams she gets called on. I am guessing that at one point she must have given money to one of them because she is now on the list for all of them. Sadly, she is at the age and mental condition where if someone called her and said your son is in jail in Mexico and we can get him out for $10k, she would do it. We even had to take her credit cards away because she would give them out over the phone.
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I called her and asked her for $12k to get you out but she said you are not worth that muchÖ..
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December 7th, 2023 at 3:07:22 PM permalink
How much would DRich's wife pay to get him out?

Papillon: If your wife was here and you were in Paris with all of that money how much would you pay to get her back?
Dega: Everything I have.
Papillon: And how much would she pay, to get you back?
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December 10th, 2023 at 8:38:23 AM permalink
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I donít understand why they donít even try to make it seem reasonableÖ.
3. Make the amount large enough to interest random doofus but not so high even the doofus is aware itís not real.
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$850K does seem more reasonable.

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December 17th, 2023 at 8:14:56 AM permalink
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Another scam that has been circulating for some time involves an email that purports to have "bad news for you" whereby the emailer has accessed your computer and found compromising files on it that will be turned over to the authorities if you don't pay a via bitcoin ransom. I assume that child pornography holders and others with something to hide, including paranoid drug users might fall victim to those scams.
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It actually does purport to be sent from your own email, but running it through something like Spam Cop or Trace Email Analyzer would show you very quickly that it came from somewhere else.

And as usual no matter how hard the sender tries to appear like a native English speaker, there are telltale signs of a foreign writer: "there are some bad news for you," "only takes couple mouse clicks," "simply google other exchanger," etc.
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December 17th, 2023 at 8:23:26 AM permalink
This explains those weird texts we get that appear to be innocent wrong number texts. I mark as spam and delete them immediately, but here are two that I marked as spam but didn't delete.


I never respond to any of them, and never have, not even with a "sorry wrong number" because they just seemed so obvious to me. But I always assumed they were precursors to Lonely Hearts scams, didn't realize they were more sophisticated than that.


He thought heíd won big on love and crypto. Instead, he was Ďpig-butcheredí for $260K

Documents filed this week by the U.S. Attorneyís Office in San Francisco ó during International Fraud Awareness Week ó show how the scam works. They describe how a 68-year-old Santa Clara man identified only as ďRB,Ē who had recently divorced and was struggling through financial problems, received a text message in February from a number he didnít recognize.

When he responded, the stranger said her name was ďJaney Lee,Ē that she was a Houston clothing designer, and that she had the wrong number. The trap had been set, and ďLeeĒ kept the conversation going via text before moving it to more secure channels: WhatsApp and Telegram.

ďRB and Lee discussed personal information: their backgrounds, relationship statuses, businesses, and finances,Ē government attorneys Galen Phillips and Chris Kaltsas wrote in a civil forfeiture complaint, which seeks to recoup some of the lost funds. ďWithin weeks, this budding relationship became romantic in nature, with Lee repeatedly messaging RB about their future together.Ē

Before long, Lee got to work. She (or perhaps he) shifted the conversation to her success in trading cryptocurrency. By March, she had convinced RB to invest, too, helping him to create an account on the well-known trading platform Crypto.com, where he bought digital currency and sent it to ďXTRA,Ē which appeared to be another legitimate crypto exchange.

ďFollowing the initial investment, RB was able to view his fictitious Ďearningsí on the XTRA website, which reported a 20% to 30% gain against his initial investment,Ē prosecutors wrote.

By April 22, RB had invested $260,000 through eight deposits. At that point, his account showed a value of $487,000 ó an 87% bonanza in a matter of weeks. Three days later, the divorcee tried to withdraw $100,000.

ďInstead of receiving his withdrawal,Ē the government lawyers wrote, ďRB received a message from XTRA customer service saying that by May 2, 2023, in order to verify his account, RB needed to send his XTRA account an additional amount worth approximately 20% of his account balance.Ē

Fearing heíd been taken, RB called the FBI, but there was only so much investigators could do at that point.


This is the quite sad story of a man who lost $1M to the scam, most of it borrowed.
How One Man Lost $1 Million To A Crypto ĎSuper Scamí Called Pig Butchering
This one was slightly more sophisticated than the $260K pig butchering outlined above - here the victim sent his crypto only to an exchange that was actually legitimate, via an Apple Store approved app, but that had a back door for entities, legitimate or not, to create a sort of sub-crypto exchange within the legitimate one. In the $1M scam the guy was sending his funds to the legitimate exchange, but the scammers were transferring it within the legitimate app itself to their own phony exchange, where they showed the victim fake profits, while all the time siphoning off the real funds.

I understand that in many cases the texters are actual females overseas who are victims of human bondage, and being forced by their captors to follow through with the scam, and in those cases the females even get on the phone and talk to their victims as the scam plays along, which allays concerns about the texter being actually female.

In this case, the perpetrators were all actually right here in the U.S.
Four Individuals Charged for Laundering Millions from Cryptocurrency Investment Scams
These four extracted over $80M from pig butchered victims.
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December 21st, 2023 at 12:05:46 PM permalink
Fontainebleau - from what I've been told (still haven't visited it yet), public max bet on Baccarat there is $20K, which puts it in line with most of the majors on the Strip.

There are off Strip casinos with 10K maximum on Baccarat.

And that's one issue including for a special limits player. If the posted table max is lower than at other casinos, then even putting up a lot of front money or getting a big credit line will just take you to where another casino will allow anyone to play.

Venetian used to have a posted limit of $35K on Baccarat. Now it's $25K, same as Caesars. Most of the big'uns on the Strip are at $20K.

Then as far as blackjack, it's $10K at the big'uns, $5K at the smaller fry.

If the posted limit starts out low, then getting for example a $250K credit line might get you only to the same limit at which anyone may play at Caesars or Venetian.

My special limits are extremely high but for a while now I've only been bothering with the casinos that give a lot of value to the line as far as high limits for me on Baccarat and Blackjack. There's no point as far as max bet in going to a casino with a $10K max and getting a big credit line just to be able to play to say $15 or $20K.

As far as whether the sky's the limit - no, it's not. No matter how big your line is, it's hard to get any casino to allow more than $25K per hand at blackjack although they will allow multiple hands. Baccarat may go as high as $500K per hand but that's rare, mostly somewhere around $260K per hand is it. What's interesting is that once you get to that level and have your reserved table, when the max bet is set, the minimum isn't raised - you may bet $100. if you want.
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December 24th, 2023 at 5:00:07 AM permalink
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Keep in mind that we're not paying for the buffet, so that figures in too. I don't even know how much the cost is these days I don't really look at the receipt.


I'm pretty surprised that casinos apparently are still comping you to the Max despite the facts that you are crushing them per your reports

I am surprised by that

I read part of your long post explaining that they comp based on "theoretical loss" but I would think after you have crushed the casinos for so long that they would throw that out the window

you first post here was in Sept. of 2018 - more than 5 years ago - and although I haven't followed all of your reports it seems like you continually totally crush the casinos

Please explain why that they haven't dried up your comps - thanks

I put this here - didn't wanna hijack the buffet thread

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December 24th, 2023 at 5:20:34 AM permalink
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Keep in mind that we're not paying for the buffet, so that figures in too. I don't even know how much the cost is these days I don't really look at the receipt.


I'm pretty surprised that casinos apparently are still comping you to the Max despite the facts that you are crushing them per your reports

I am surprised by that



Unless the casinos believe that you are doing something nefarious they will continue to do whatever it takes to continue to get you to play at their place. At the highest levels they understand the math and past performance has no bearing on future performance.
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December 24th, 2023 at 5:52:53 AM permalink
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Keep in mind that we're not paying for the buffet, so that figures in too. I don't even know how much the cost is these days I don't really look at the receipt.


I'm pretty surprised that casinos apparently are still comping you to the Max despite the facts that you are crushing them per your reports

I am surprised by that



Unless the casinos believe that you are doing something nefarious they will continue to do whatever it takes to continue to get you to play at their place. At the highest levels they understand the math and past performance has no bearing on future performance.
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yes, agree and I'm aware of that

but if a player betting big wins 25 times in a row at one casino, fairly long sessions, or maybe loses only once or twice - wouldn't a casino become very curious if not suspicious re what that player is doing__________?

that is so very far outside of the performance of just about all of the other players

again, MDawg has been doing this for at least 5 years and probably longer

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December 24th, 2023 at 8:31:56 AM permalink
A buffet ticket?   😅
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December 24th, 2023 at 9:15:58 AM permalink
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yes, agree and I'm aware of that

but if a player betting big wins 25 times in a row at one casino, fairly long sessions, or maybe loses only once or twice - wouldn't a casino become very curious if not suspicious re what that player is doing__________?

that is so very far outside of the performance of just about all of the other players

again, MDawg has been doing this for at least 5 years and probably longer



And, I agree with you. They probably have scrutinized the bettor and not found anything suspicious. Let them keep playing and eventually the math will kick in.

I used to spend 30 to 60 minutes a day scrutinizing gamblers and generally didn't find any issues with their play.
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December 24th, 2023 at 9:33:58 AM permalink
There are a number of days as I've reported where there are multiple sessions in that day, at different casinos. If I lose at one of the casinos, I leave the loss intact at that casino for a while. I know how to play the game.

And I move around enough, have so many casinos at which I play, and I alternate baccarat with blackjack enough so that no one seems to know or care. And at the same time, Iíve brought in many extremely high level players many of whom do nothing but push buttons at slot machines all day long, who have made it clear that they go where I go, that my train and long caboose over all give great value to the casinos.
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December 24th, 2023 at 10:11:01 AM permalink
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Let them keep playing and eventually the math will kick in.


If the math hasn't kicked in for the casinos in their play against MDawg for many years (for whatever reason).

He has no doubt played tens of thousands of hands.

I really doubt that will ever happen re his action.

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December 24th, 2023 at 12:24:10 PM permalink
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Let them keep playing and eventually the math will kick in.


If the math hasn't kicked in for the casinos in their play against MDawg for many years (for whatever reason).

He has no doubt played tens of thousands of hands.

I really doubt that will ever happen re his action.

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If you believe that then you don't understand math. If I flip a fair coin 10,000 times and it comes up tails every time, the next toss is still 50/50.
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December 24th, 2023 at 12:42:27 PM permalink
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Let them keep playing and eventually the math will kick in.


If the math hasn't kicked in for the casinos in their play against MDawg for many years (for whatever reason).

He has no doubt played tens of thousands of hands.

I really doubt that will ever happen re his action.

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If you believe that then you don't understand math. If I flip a fair coin 10,000 times and it comes up tails every time, the next toss is still 50/50.
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I'm saying that there is a reason for his extreme winning for all of these years and tens of thousands of hands that explains it and that that reason is unknown on this forum

and that that reason is not extreme variance

I fully understand your point about coin flipping and have always understood that

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December 24th, 2023 at 1:18:19 PM permalink
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Something nefarious

Please describe in detail "something nefarious" because there are countless examples of people who are simply playing with an advantage(no angle shooting) and get tossed out. There are even many examples of people who are not playing with an advantage, they are just winning who get thrown out.

Are card counters considered to be doing something nefarious?
What about someone with perfect next-card information?

Perhaps one might not get thrown out, but at what point does the casino make a decision to stop the comp train?
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December 24th, 2023 at 1:27:53 PM permalink
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There are a number of days as I've reported where there are multiple sessions in that day, at different casinos. If I lose at one of the casinos, I leave the loss intact at that casino for a while. I know how to play the game.

And I move around enough, have so many casinos at which I play, and I alternate baccarat with blackjack enough so that no one seems to know or care.

But isn't it the case that you use a credit line, isn't it you who said that it was almost impossible to manipulate the records since they are tracking all the chips in and out?

If that's the case, the money in and money out /win-loss records would tell the casino exactly what's going on as far as you being up or down, so no amount of running around from casino to casino would hide that fact.
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December 24th, 2023 at 1:52:19 PM permalink
Someone asked about how I still get buffet comps. 🤣

No one is hiding anything, but if you know anything about comps or loss rebates, they work per trip. And my negotiated terms with the casinos (although one has pretty much backed out of what was agreed) is that in most cases, a day's session equals a trip. Especially if I am not staying in house.

Even if I had no special terms, still with most casinos after a week with no additional play or comps, it becomes a new trip.
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December 24th, 2023 at 6:03:12 PM permalink
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Something nefarious

Please describe in detail "something nefarious" because there are countless examples of people who are simply playing with an advantage(no angle shooting) and get tossed out. There are even many examples of people who are not playing with an advantage, they are just winning who get thrown out.

Are card counters considered to be doing something nefarious?
What about someone with perfect next-card information?

Perhaps one might not get thrown out, but at what point does the casino make a decision to stop the comp train?
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When i say nefarious I am generally thinking of cheating. I didn't actually work in surveillance although I did write some software they used. Most of my scrutiny was on the slots and we would only kick out people suspected of cheating. Obviously if someone was taking advantage of promos we would either change the promo or revoke player card. We rarely confronted vultures unless they were bothering other players.
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December 24th, 2023 at 7:43:57 PM permalink
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Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: DRich

Something nefarious

Please describe in detail "something nefarious" because there are countless examples of people who are simply playing with an advantage(no angle shooting) and get tossed out. There are even many examples of people who are not playing with an advantage, they are just winning who get thrown out.

Are card counters considered to be doing something nefarious?
What about someone with perfect next-card information?

Perhaps one might not get thrown out, but at what point does the casino make a decision to stop the comp train?
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When i say nefarious I am generally thinking of cheating. I didn't actually work in surveillance although I did write some software they used. Most of my scrutiny was on the slots and we would only kick out people suspected of cheating. Obviously if someone was taking advantage of promos we would either change the promo or revoke player card. We rarely confronted vultures unless they were bothering other players.
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I'll take cheating as illegal or gray areas. They toss out card counters all the time, it's not illegal nor is it even a gray area.

Even you know many casinos tossed out people for just playing full-pay machines, obviously not all casinos, but many casinos. Definitely some of the ones MD claims to play at.

I assume you would agree that if there's a high roller at a casino who's continually winning year after year they are going to be watching him and figuring out what he is doing to beat the casino? Wouldn't even take years since they are oftentimes watching the bigger players from the get-go.
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December 25th, 2023 at 2:40:57 AM permalink
Is it possible to play at an advantage for large sums of money and still no one at the casino can figure out what you are doing? And actually think your just a lucky whale? At the higher levels I have to assume the best and brightest the casino has works on that. If that bunch isn't very sharp after all, they will be good at figuring out "you are winning too much money"

hell, I got non grata at BetMGM online sportsbook just for taking a few hundred dollars out. You can't tell me at my level that anyone did an investigation ... they just looked at the withdrawals I think. The freebet on my birthday went away super fast, before non grata
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December 25th, 2023 at 4:23:54 AM permalink
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Even you know many casinos tossed out people for just playing full-pay machines, obviously not all casinos, but many casinos. Definitely some of the ones MD claims to play at.

I assume you would agree that if there's a high roller at a casino who's continually winning year after year they are going to be watching him and figuring out what he is doing to beat the casino? Wouldn't even take years since they are oftentimes watching the bigger players from the get-go.



I don't recall alot of casinos tossing people for playing full pay machines unless they were using a players card to beat marketing offers. I never tossed people for that I just had a meeting with the slot Director and marketing Manager and discussed ways to fix that. Either lower paytables or change the players clubs rewards.

Of course they are going to be watching a high roller that is winning. Only fools would toss a high roller unless they thought he was cheating. Just change procedures if he is beating you without cheating. In BJ, just flat bet them or shuffle frequently.
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December 25th, 2023 at 5:48:17 AM permalink
If a BJ player gets flat bet, what exactly does that mean, or does the meaning fluctuate depending on the time of day? Can the player bet $25 at the start of one shoe, then raise their bet to $40 at the start of the next shuffle and flat bet $40 a hand through that? I did see one card counter video where they made the table minimum and maximum the same, just for him, at $25. That's just ridiculous, and virtually unplayable.
The Indian casinos in my area have a sign on every table that says people on a certain list are limited to a $100 maximum bet, and these are on $15 or $25 minimum tables.
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December 25th, 2023 at 6:41:05 AM permalink
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If a BJ player gets flat bet, what exactly does that mean, or does the meaning fluctuate depending on the time of day? Can the player bet $25 at the start of one shoe, then raise their bet to $40 at the start of the next shuffle and flat bet $40 a hand through that? I did see one card counter video where they made the table minimum and maximum the same, just for him, at $25. That's just ridiculous, and virtually unplayable.
The Indian casinos in my area have a sign on every table that says people on a certain list are limited to a $100 maximum bet, and these are on $15 or $25 minimum tables.
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I think it varies by casino.

Some places say that your initial bet is the only amount that you can bet. Some do it by shoe, others will just say that you can only bet $X if you want to play here.
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December 25th, 2023 at 7:02:20 AM permalink
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There are a number of days as I've reported where there are multiple sessions in that day, at different casinos. If I lose at one of the casinos, I leave the loss intact at that casino for a while. I know how to play the game.

And I move around enough, have so many casinos at which I play, and I alternate baccarat with blackjack enough so that no one seems to know or care.

But isn't it the case that you use a credit line, isn't it you who said that it was almost impossible to manipulate the records since they are tracking all the chips in and out?

If that's the case, the money in and money out /win-loss records would tell the casino exactly what's going on as far as you being up or down, so no amount of running around from casino to casino would hide that fact.
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Do you rip apart every Stephan King book or do you allow the author to tell his fictional story their own way? I read fiction for its entertainment value. When an author proves to be incapable of that, I move on.
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December 25th, 2023 at 7:21:23 AM permalink
I am a guppy, so have no ideaÖ. and Iím also NOT implying this is true of MDawg.

Letís say player X is your garden variety card counter who will make a few hundred $ an hourÖ.. but his wife will be losing 2 - 3 times that on high limit slots. Is the casino wise enough to NOT bother him?

What if he brings his kids who spend $10k on Ďbottle serviceí at the club while daddy makes his $1k? Then drops $2k each at roulette.

What if the card counter averages $1k a night on BJ, but also averages a $5k loss on craps? Is there someone smart enough to let him count cards even if they are aware of it?

Supermarkets call them loss leaders.
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December 25th, 2023 at 8:27:53 AM permalink
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What if the card counter averages $1k a night on BJ, but also averages a $5k loss on craps?



About 75% of professional poker players.
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December 25th, 2023 at 8:29:34 AM permalink
Just reading a Reddit thread from 6 years ago, one poster mentioned he was betting $100 on 2 spots with a 1-8 spread and he was playing for 2-3 hours and walked out with just under $10K, then he was flat bet later on. Other commenters were like, you stayed too long, you shouldn't be there more than an hour, never mind he won too much. He was getting flat bet or banned when he walked in the door of nearby casinos before he even made a bet. Evidently he was flyered and they were waiting for him.
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December 25th, 2023 at 9:25:23 AM permalink
Something like that did happen to me many years ago where I was handicapped to a max 3X spread on blackjack only but eventually the "ban" was lifted and I was co-signed by the very top person who had handicapped me in the first place. That person and I remain in touch to this day.
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December 25th, 2023 at 9:32:33 AM permalink
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There are a number of days as I've reported where there are multiple sessions in that day, at different casinos. If I lose at one of the casinos, I leave the loss intact at that casino for a while. I know how to play the game.

And I move around enough, have so many casinos at which I play, and I alternate baccarat with blackjack enough so that no one seems to know or care.

But isn't it the case that you use a credit line, isn't it you who said that it was almost impossible to manipulate the records since they are tracking all the chips in and out?

If that's the case, the money in and money out /win-loss records would tell the casino exactly what's going on as far as you being up or down, so no amount of running around from casino to casino would hide that fact.
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Do you rip apart every Stephan King book or do you allow the author to tell his fictional story their own way? I read fiction for its entertainment value. When an author proves to be incapable of that, I move on.
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Are you calling Stephen King books fiction or The Adventures of MDawg?

And if you "move on" when there is no value, there must be considerable value in these Adventures because you seem to read them quite voraciously and comment too.

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December 25th, 2023 at 10:17:49 AM permalink
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hell, I got non grata at BetMGM online sportsbook just for taking a few hundred dollars out.
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How did they do it, did they let you know? I've gone round and round with Axel about this, that if you make too many withdrawals and not enough deposits they're going to get rid of you. And of course he claims it's never going to happen.
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December 30th, 2023 at 8:49:30 AM permalink
They have upped the food quality at Chica (Venetian).


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December 30th, 2023 at 9:19:35 AM permalink
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hell, I got non grata at BetMGM online sportsbook just for taking a few hundred dollars out.
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How did they do it, did they let you know? I've gone round and round with Axel about this, that if you make too many withdrawals and not enough deposits they're going to get rid of you. And of course he claims it's never going to happen.
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>>ONLINE SPORTS BOOK<<
It happens frequently. Especially if you're using Sports bonuses.

Please give me some legitimate examples of them banning small-time roulette players at state-regulated online casinos who are playing straight up.

I suppose it's possible if you annoy them enough and cost them more money than you're worth to them due to the fees and time it takes the constantly cash you out and process deposits. Again, it's not my fault you haven't figured out how to let the money build up and do one big cash out.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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