Free play doesnt last forever
If you are talking about Alan getting $2500 in free play, I absolutely believe him, especially if it's at the few places I'm thinking of. It's not the size of your bet that matters, it's the amount of total action/coin in. There are some other factors that really make a big difference as well.Quote: VegasriderHe’s probably exaggerating, even Slot Massacre doesn’t receive that much in free play and he often pushes $250 a hand in VP.
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how much free play does Slot Massacre get a week and how much coin-in?Quote: VegasriderHe’s probably exaggerating, even Slot Massacre doesn’t receive that much in free play and he often pushes $250 a hand in VP.
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Quote: 100xOddshow much free play does Slot Massacre get a week and how much coin-in?Quote: VegasriderHe’s probably exaggerating, even Slot Massacre doesn’t receive that much in free play and he often pushes $250 a hand in VP.
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Free play is very dependent on where you play. Some properties give very little while others occasionally give too much. The whole key to free play is to shop around and see who is giving the most at that time.
I no longer play craps at Suncoast and havent played there in months.
Red Rock (Stations) also reduced my free play in July to $5 per visit. But that's where I play craps.
Quote: VegasriderNot only the amount of free play you receive but how much comp dollars are you accumulating. Casinos in Reno often offer 10X comp dollars on certain days of the week. Why play at a casino that is only offering 2X. Or giveaways or drawings for a car or boat, etc. Advantage for a player who has millions of tickets vs some who may only have hundreds.
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Rarely do multiplier days coincide with free play days. Multipliers at Stations and Boyd do not apply to table games.
Quote: VegasriderNot only the amount of free play you receive but how much comp dollars are you accumulating. Casinos in Reno often offer 10X comp dollars on certain days of the week. Why play at a casino that is only offering 2X. Or giveaways or drawings for a car or boat, etc. Advantage for a player who has millions of tickets vs some who may only have hundreds.
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The comp/cashback RATE is as or more relevant than the multiplier. 10x comps at .05% is still only half of 2x at 0.5%
In July my free play offers drop back to $5 per visit and unless I'm in the mall across the street it will not make sense to play at Suncoast again.
Thursday is my final $10 free play day at Red Rock... but I play craps there. So even in July when my Red Rock free play drops to $5 per day I'll still play it.
I do have some "points" at Suncoast that I could convert to free play but it's a small amount and I can let them sit for a while to see what I might get in the future.
Quote: AxelWolfIt'would absolutely be too much information... its already too much information in my opinion. Even peaking someone's interest in researching or trying to gather enough information and come back and bite you in your ass. Sometimes those people become feirc competitors. Sometimes those people are idios who do dumb thing's that cause problems for everyone.Quote: AlanMendelsonThe numbers that tuttigym requests would not reveal the how or any secrets.
It's a fair question: how much seed money was needed?
Darkoz you revealed $60,000 without telling any secrets.
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Once a place gets overrun with sharp's playing card's or whatever the promotioni might be, the casino's change stuff up and oftentimes it becomes practically worthless.
I don't know how many times new guys have entered the business thinking spreading information isn't really a big deal ( Thats how they got started) only to realize ar some point just how terrible of an idea it is to give out too much information in they most if them end up telling me they totally get it now.
For some people notoriety or whatever they are looking for is more important to them.
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For starters I’m not new. I’m over 20 years in and played poker before going into AP only full time.
But your right Axel about sharing info. I shared a specific amount for a reason. I know a certain person lurks here and I wanted him to know I was in town. We got some real scum bags messing stuff up.
I had $5 from Boyd and played 4 hands of $1.25 8/5 Bonus poker and hit one paying pair. Cashed out $1.25
At Red Rock I had $10 of free play. Red Rock requires that you seed the machine for the first play. I cashed out $9 but I needed the machine with $1, so my net win was $8.
I had a comped meal for $30 from previous play.
Remember that last Saturday I continued playing at Red Rock and hit a $4k royal. But I didnt feel like playing tonight.
Free play covered my tip for dinner tonight. Going home.
Or, if I want to last 400+ hands for a quads on a $40 free play, I should bet 1 coin at the quarter denom on the VP. I thought adding $10 to a $40 FP for a $50 buy-in on VBJ or 5 coin VP would be enough for a session, and usually it would be, but if the machine is cranked up like the air conditioning on COLD, it's just not gonna work.
When I only get 50 points instead of 1,000 or 2,000 session points from 1-2 hours of VBJ on a $50 buy-in at $3/point, that's enough to wonder how cold the machine really is. I could ride that $50 all the way to $500, but it's not the first week of the machine being in the casino before they tightened it with extra force.
I haven't been on table games yet this year, so I'm not getting $5 or $15 match plays for the craps table.
The 25 cent VP progressive JP is sometimes above $1,200, but it seems to get reset regularly so I could win between $1,000 and $1,199 on many days. There's no progressive for the 50 cent or $1 denoms, so that'd be 4000 credits.
I just got some more free play offers so I've got 3 trips lined up to get at least $40 this week. If the Bubble Craps machine takes free play, I'll be safest just betting $3 on the PL with $3, $4, $5 odds for 2-3 hours in case one of those free plays turns into a $500 free play. I can usually hit 100 session points in 3 hours at $6/point, but I don't know if odds bets are covered by free play. If I can squeeze out a few hundred from free play, I could set some of that aside for gas money at $4-$5 per gallon.
Just played the home game of 9/6 JoB and spent nearly 2 hours without hitting quads, and lost $50. The most I was up was $15 on a 5 coin quarter game. I crossed the $100 mark (my buy-in) a few times well after any free play would have been bet, so I could have cashed out at that point at the casino.
It's when I had big free play offers that I had a chance for hitting something big.
Only once did I hit a $4k royal with my original $50 of free play. It happened at Red Rock about 4 years ago on the third or fourth $5 play.
I guess you could team up with another player and just play both sides to accumulate points, as long you don’t crap out on the initial roll.
Quote: VegasriderI played Bubble Craps playing both sides (P & DP) inserting two players card, both of my own. It would only allow me to or recognize one card.
I guess you could team up with another player and just play both sides to accumulate points, as long you don’t crap out on the initial roll.
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How did a computer know that one person was playing two cards?
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: VegasriderI played Bubble Craps playing both sides (P & DP) inserting two players card, both of my own. It would only allow me to or recognize one card.
I guess you could team up with another player and just play both sides to accumulate points, as long you don’t crap out on the initial roll.
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How did a computer know that one person was playing two cards?
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You don't think the two different cards from the same account would be recognized as from the same account in two separate machines?
That's like easy peasey programing
Quote: darkozQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: VegasriderI played Bubble Craps playing both sides (P & DP) inserting two players card, both of my own. It would only allow me to or recognize one card.
I guess you could team up with another player and just play both sides to accumulate points, as long you don’t crap out on the initial roll.
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How did a computer know that one person was playing two cards?
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You don't think the two different cards from the same account would be recognized as from the same account in two separate machines?
That's like easy peasey programing
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It doesnt happen that way at video poker. My girlfriend sits next to me playing on my card because she doesnt have one.
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: darkozQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: VegasriderI played Bubble Craps playing both sides (P & DP) inserting two players card, both of my own. It would only allow me to or recognize one card.
I guess you could team up with another player and just play both sides to accumulate points, as long you don’t crap out on the initial roll.
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How did a computer know that one person was playing two cards?
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You don't think the two different cards from the same account would be recognized as from the same account in two separate machines?
That's like easy peasey programing
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It doesnt happen that way at video poker. My girlfriend sits next to me playing on my card because she doesnt have one.
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It is recognized. That's why you do it. To get the extra points.
E-Craps you cannot make a doey/don't wager. The software disallows opposite betting at the same seat at the same table. It will refuse the wager.
Sitting at two separate seats at the same table using two copies of the same card is just circumventing that and it doesn't take much programming to keep the circumvention from working.
Quote: MDawgBut Alan you're not up to no good. Someone who is breaking multiple casino rules has to arch his head sweatily at all times looking around for "The Man."
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I got bounced from a casino when I hit a VP handpay and had my son's card in the machine. I was trying to get him 7 Stars. (Harrahs Rincon).
I was thrown out on a fraud charge. LOL
Indian owned, managed by Caesars.
Quote: AlanMendelsonSo its the doey/don't wager at scraps that is blocked and NOT having two cards at two seats?
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Yes technically that's correct.
If you play two separate cards from the same account at slots it's no problem. In fact most all Casinos you can ask for two copies of your players card when you sign up specifically so you can get credit for playing two machines. You are doubling their profits technically by doing double action.
With oppositional games (E-Craps, E-Roulette, etc) they disallow that to prevent earning points with zero variance.
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Just played the home game of 9/6 JoB and spent nearly 2 hours without hitting quads, and lost $50. The most I was up was $15 on a 5 coin quarter game. I crossed the $100 mark (my buy-in) a few times well after any free play would have been bet, so I could have cashed out at that point at the casino.
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I just got up and played the home game for half an hour and hit the quads 3 times so I could cash out at $1 ahead ($101).
Play $4 a hand on VBJ at 800 hands an hour, and I'd get $3200 coin-in or 1,000+ points, but the player card computer will still halve it to 500 points. So I'd get the $10 hamburger for 1,000 points, but for counting tier points to get to the next level, it's only half that. The kiosk doesn't tell me how many tier points I have, I have to go to the Player's Card desk and ask and they want ID. Since my tier points are erased every half year, I have to earn 2,000 points every 6 months to maintain my 2nd from the bottom tier status. So VBJ has put me up over 2,000 points in a night or two with a couple of longer sessions. But playing bubble craps, I'd have to be betting 10X what I do to get points over a thousand per session, and even though those rack up at $6/point, the tier computer still loses half of those points so it's more like $12/point.
Quote: VegasriderI have strictly played VP for decades but just on a weird note, I deviated and played Megabucks slots for about an hour. At $4 a push, I could not believe how quickly I accumulated points. It’s calculated much differently than VP. Probably would had to play about 3 hrs or more to receive the same amount of credits
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Yes most although not all Casinos prorate the points and ADT calculated such that it doesn't matter.
Play 89% slots and earn points at ten times faster than 99% VP.
In essence to earn the same offers you have to expose ten times the amount at slots which means the amount lost to gain like offers is equal.
Help me understand this. The casino should love customers who play Doey/Don't (or Black & Red on roulette). They will reap the profits from the house edge with absolutely zero risk.Quote: darkozQuote: AlanMendelsonSo its the doey/don't wager at scraps that is blocked and NOT having two cards at two seats?
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Yes technically that's correct.
If you play two separate cards from the same account at slots it's no problem. In fact most all Casinos you can ask for two copies of your players card when you sign up specifically so you can get credit for playing two machines. You are doubling their profits technically by doing double action.
With oppositional games (E-Craps, E-Roulette, etc) they disallow that to prevent earning points with zero variance.
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If there is an advantage because they are over-comping points based on the money wagered, then doesn't the same advantage exist when you just play the PL? You would just incur greater variance.
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Help me understand this. The casino should love customers who play Doey/Don't (or Black & Red on roulette). They will reap the profits from the house edge with absolutely zero risk.
If there is an advantage because they are over-comping points based on the money wagered, then doesn't the same advantage exist when you just play the PL? You would just incur greater variance.
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You are mostly correct and partially incorrect, but in the most vital way.
Let me first dispose of Black & Red in Roulette. There is (as far as I understand the game) absolutely no way for the player who bets this to win without making a second bet that is not 'hedged' and is subject to the house edge. So the player cannot win, and can only lose (to the 0 and double-0). Sure, casinos will be happy to rake in that wager all day and all night. The player never sees a win, though.
Now, let's consider "Doey-Don't". Like B&R, there's a House Edge in the form of a Bar on the 12 (or rarely the 2). Like B&R, if this bet were all there was, then the player could never win, and could only lose when boxcars were rolled on the come-out. However, unlike Roulette, Craps has the Free Odds Bet, which is a bet that pays true odds (one of the extremely few in the casino that does so). There is no comparable bet in Roulette, and this makes all of the difference in Craps. The House has no edge, and the Player has no edge. Odds is the bet that enhances the PL/DP betting and further reduces the house edge on the combined bet. 1.41% goes to 0.8% with 1x odds, the 0.6% with 2x odds, and so forth in an asymptotic curve until at 100x, the house has a 0.02% house edge. Even the worst Dice Control/Dice Influencer can overcome that edge! (said that just to make the anti-DI folks' heads explode)
Casinos allow Doey-Don't on actual tables because the psychology of table play will greatly influence all but the most diligent systems player to make additional bets that ruin their strategy. Playiers of Bubble Craps presumably are less prone to herd behavior and therefore would be able to continue their strategy.
And what is that strategy? To play min PL/DP (and Come/DC pairings) when the tables are 'cold', and amp up the betting when the tables are 'hot'. Since the original PL/DP pairing is only susceptible to the losing boxcar toss until a point is established, there's a very low exposure to a bad outcome. The Odds bets, then, constitute the main risk to the casino. "But the house has no edge!" Correct. But it can have exposure. And if you have a hot shooter that is somehow avoiding the seven, the D-D player who also makes C/DC paired bets with full Odds can really clean up when the variance is smiling his way.
This is why you'll see PL/DP blocked on electronic games (online, Bubble) where there's no good way to put heat on a player, and tolerated at a table, where the dealers will snark at players doing this strategy, and sometimes even limiting the odds that can be placed behind such parings (seen that happen, too).
Hope this helps you understand.
Quote: AlanMendelsonBillhasretired are you suggesting that doey/dont players should have odds? And if so how much in odds for pass and how much for dont to give the D-D player an edge?
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The "edge" he refers to and which I can attest to from experience isn't an edge in the game itself. It's not about beating the game, it's about beating the comps system.
If you are losing to the house edge only in the main wager and taking odds gets you points and credit towards comps at basically zero% house edge in multiples of the base wager that is a huge advantage.
That said some Casinos give zero credit on the odds wagers on E-Craps
Also, the reason for disallowing the doey/don't isn't just the odds wager because they disallow all oppositional wagering.
E-Craps, E-Roulette, E-Baccarat, E-Sicbo.
Anything oppositional!
The idea of zero variance is too much for Casinos to wrap their heads around. To them it's cheating.
Interblock which creates and markets electronic table games makes a big deal in their brochures about disallowing the ability to hedge IN ANY FORM above 70%.
You cannot bet black outside and then red inside for example. Once you place enough red wagers to pass 70% hedge the machine won't take wagers.
Sic Bo. You cannot wager all the pairs (one and two, one and three, etc) at the same time as all the doubles because the outcomes will neutralize each other.
It's programed to go into effect on all oppositional wagers in any form that surpasses 70% hedge.
It occurred to them you could use two separate seats with the same player's club card and they disallow that as well.
Personally I find it all academic. They CANNOT stop two individuals from using two different cards making opposite wagers such that two different accounts obtain like offers.
In other words it makes management feel good while accomplishing absolutely nothing.
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Personally I find it all academic. They CANNOT stop two individuals from using two different cards making opposite wagers such that two different accounts obtain like offers.
In other words it makes management feel good while accomplishing absolutely nothing.
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I know I shouldn't have to tell you this but it's all a product of the gaming industry being largely reactionary instead of proactive.
At one point you could doey/don't on E-Craps, right? And, if I remember your thread about your GN adventures you also liked to use free play on E-Roulette with Black, Red, and 00/0 split all wagered.
Casinos are in the business of making money, you know that. They are susceptible to streaks of luck just like the players, only difference is the rules benefit them and their bankroll is usually big enough to weather most really bad streaks.
Quote: ChumpChangeJust checking Uber rates in my area for a trip to the casino. It'd be just under $22 there and another $22 back (I guess), so that's $45 round trip, which my $40 free play doesn't quite cover. My car may get totaled by the insurance company soon, so this new transportation only works if I'm gonna win more than my free plays. It was a deal at $7.50 for gas round trip at $5/gallon. An EV car could do the round trip on a dollar of electricity. $2 after prices double this fall.
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I just have to walk across the street to receive my free play. 3 minute walk, door to door. The benefits of living in Reno/Sparks Nevada
I went to get a $13 double burger on points. While I was leaving I saw a huge pizza box on a table. An employee said that pizza usually costs $40 but she got it for $10 off. It was two toppings at $4 each, and I have no idea how big this pizza was but it was described as a large. Yeah, so I could use my $40 free play winnings on a super large pizza to go!
Quote: ChumpChangeIt was a deal at $7.50 for gas round trip at $5/gallon. An EV car could do the round trip on a dollar of electricity, $2 after prices double this fall.
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I don't know if you have the opportunity, but a number of people used to catch rides with me so they could collect freeplay and throw me some gas money or get me a comped dinner . These were strictly "entertainment players", but they recognized that splitting transportation expenses was +EV for them.
Perhaps you recognize a regular player from your neighborhood?
I met somebody in the cash-out line with a rack of red chips half full. He said he was from Buffalo. I asked him if the poker room he was just in had Omaha Hi-Lo, he said they only have Texas Hold 'em. I asked him if Niagara Falls had poker. He said Niagara Falls had shut down their poker rooms for COVID and they are not reopening them. He says they've moved on to slot machines replacing poker rooms and they won't come back. Of course the Buffalo area has absurdly high COVID rates ever since long ago. My area has very little COVID spread, but maybe half the people have already had COVID anyway.
Well, if you see the same night owls a few times in a row, maybe there's a chance.
Quote: ChumpChangeUnless you come with friends, you won't know anybody there. People value their anonymity.
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Fair enough. I keep forgetting how much attitudes vary by region.
Bill, this was very thoughtful response but I have to think you are wrong and will try to explainQuote: BillHasRetiredQuote: Joeman{snip}
Help me understand this. The casino should love customers who play Doey/Don't (or Black & Red on roulette). They will reap the profits from the house edge with absolutely zero risk.
If there is an advantage because they are over-comping points based on the money wagered, then doesn't the same advantage exist when you just play the PL? You would just incur greater variance.
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You are mostly correct and partially incorrect, but in the most vital way.
You should have left that last bit out as it has nothing to do with it. Plus, the worst DI, in fact most such, have zero ability to affect the edge.Quote:Let me first dispose of Black & Red in Roulette. There is (as far as I understand the game) absolutely no way for the player who bets this to win without making a second bet that is not 'hedged' and is subject to the house edge. So the player cannot win, and can only lose (to the 0 and double-0). Sure, casinos will be happy to rake in that wager all day and all night. The player never sees a win, though.
Now, let's consider "Doey-Don't". Like B&R, there's a House Edge in the form of a Bar on the 12 (or rarely the 2). Like B&R, if this bet were all there was, then the player could never win, and could only lose when boxcars were rolled on the come-out. However, unlike Roulette, Craps has the Free Odds Bet, which is a bet that pays true odds (one of the extremely few in the casino that does so). There is no comparable bet in Roulette, and this makes all of the difference in Craps. The House has no edge, and the Player has no edge. Odds is the bet that enhances the PL/DP betting and further reduces the house edge on the combined bet. 1.41% goes to 0.8% with 1x odds, the 0.6% with 2x odds, and so forth in an asymptotic curve until at 100x, the house has a 0.02% house edge. Even the worst Dice Control/Dice Influencer can overcome that edge! (said that just to make the anti-DI folks' heads explode)
you're really reachingQuote:Casinos allow Doey-Don't on actual tables because the psychology of table play will greatly influence all but the most diligent systems player to make additional bets that ruin their strategy. Playiers of Bubble Craps presumably are less prone to herd behavior and therefore would be able to continue their strategy.
Sir, this is a well-known fallacy, to think that a Craps table *is* hot or cold. Yes, you can say it *was* one or the other, but you can't say it *is* so, starting with the next roll. To believe that, you have to believe in supernatural influence or that the dice are sentient beings with a memory. I confess I am disappointed to see this mingled in with such an otherwise thoughtful response.Quote:And what is that strategy? To play min PL/DP (and Come/DC pairings) when the tables are 'cold', and amp up the betting when the tables are 'hot'.
Oh how I wish I knew when that shooter would get hot, or I should say, stay hotQuote:Since the original PL/DP pairing is only susceptible to the losing boxcar toss until a point is established, there's a very low exposure to a bad outcome. The Odds bets, then, constitute the main risk to the casino. "But the house has no edge!" Correct. But it can have exposure. And if you have a hot shooter that is somehow avoiding the seven, the D-D player who also makes C/DC paired bets with full Odds can really clean up when the variance is smiling his way.
not buying it, Bill. All the advantages of free odds you mention do not require you to play doey-don't style. And if you do, you have to bet twice as much against the house edge as you would if you just bet the minimum on pass or don't pass. Mathematical fact.Quote:This is why you'll see PL/DP blocked on electronic games (online, Bubble) where there's no good way to put heat on a player, and tolerated at a table, where the dealers will snark at players doing this strategy, and sometimes even limiting the odds that can be placed behind such parings (seen that happen, too).
Hope this helps you understand.
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Bill, I challenge you to try side-switching if you think you know when the table is hot or cold. This is the best exercise I know to convince a guy the quest to determine this is hopeless.
Quote: odiousgambitAnyone thinking that 'oppositional-type hedging' is smart gambling is wrong. It is correct that the casinos should love it instead of prohibiting it. The only thing I have ever heard from someone I respect that could explain why thoughtful casino management might want to prohibit it for legitimate reasons is that it could discourage APs
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It can be profitable for building comps.
Any oppositional games would work but the cheapest is Craps.
The mailers have to be generous. More and more Casinos are pulling back on offers.
I know one locale that went from three times a week to twice a month for freeplay.
Two offers a month won't even cover your losses suffered during a doey/don't
Quote: darkozQuote: odiousgambitAnyone thinking that 'oppositional-type hedging' is smart gambling is wrong. It is correct that the casinos should love it instead of prohibiting it. The only thing I have ever heard from someone I respect that could explain why thoughtful casino management might want to prohibit it for legitimate reasons is that it could discourage APs
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It can be profitable for building comps.
Any oppositional games would work but the cheapest is Craps.
The mailers have to be generous. More and more Casinos are pulling back on offers.
I know one locale that went from three times a week to twice a month for freeplay.
Two offers a month won't even cover your losses suffered during a doey/don't
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I dont know of any casino that awards points for doey dont betting at live craps.
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: darkozQuote: odiousgambitAnyone thinking that 'oppositional-type hedging' is smart gambling is wrong. It is correct that the casinos should love it instead of prohibiting it. The only thing I have ever heard from someone I respect that could explain why thoughtful casino management might want to prohibit it for legitimate reasons is that it could discourage APs
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It can be profitable for building comps.
Any oppositional games would work but the cheapest is Craps.
The mailers have to be generous. More and more Casinos are pulling back on offers.
I know one locale that went from three times a week to twice a month for freeplay.
Two offers a month won't even cover your losses suffered during a doey/don't
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I dont know of any casino that awards points for doey dont betting at live craps.
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Which is why this conversation is about bubble craps!
Remember the guy said he was using his card in two separate seats but it wouldn't allow him to earn points on two cards.
Which is where you said you never heard of not being allowed to use two cards and you do it all the time at VP.
To which I explained it's really the doey/don't at oppositional games that disallow using the same card at two separate seats.
Obviously no one is handing two copies of their players card to the pitboss and instructing him they want to play both sides, SMH!
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: darkozQuote: odiousgambitAnyone thinking that 'oppositional-type hedging' is smart gambling is wrong. It is correct that the casinos should love it instead of prohibiting it. The only thing I have ever heard from someone I respect that could explain why thoughtful casino management might want to prohibit it for legitimate reasons is that it could discourage APs
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It can be profitable for building comps.
Any oppositional games would work but the cheapest is Craps.
The mailers have to be generous. More and more Casinos are pulling back on offers.
I know one locale that went from three times a week to twice a month for freeplay.
Two offers a month won't even cover your losses suffered during a doey/don't
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I dont know of any casino that awards points for doey dont betting at live craps.
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Alan…. Imagine that you wanted the guaranteed ‘time’ on the craps table and wanted the sure 1% ish loss without the variance. Just bet pass line every time. And have your colleague (wife, friend, trusted business partner) bet the don’t every time. So two separate accounts are getting points. If you are playing from one bankroll it is the same as playing a dooey don’t.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: darkozQuote: odiousgambitAnyone thinking that 'oppositional-type hedging' is smart gambling is wrong. It is correct that the casinos should love it instead of prohibiting it. The only thing I have ever heard from someone I respect that could explain why thoughtful casino management might want to prohibit it for legitimate reasons is that it could discourage APs
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It can be profitable for building comps.
Any oppositional games would work but the cheapest is Craps.
The mailers have to be generous. More and more Casinos are pulling back on offers.
I know one locale that went from three times a week to twice a month for freeplay.
Two offers a month won't even cover your losses suffered during a doey/don't
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I dont know of any casino that awards points for doey dont betting at live craps.
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Alan…. Imagine that you wanted the guaranteed ‘time’ on the craps table and wanted the sure 1% ish loss without the variance. Just bet pass line every time. And have your colleague (wife, friend, trusted business partner) bet the don’t every time. So two separate accounts are getting points. If you are playing from one bankroll it is the same as playing a dooey don’t.
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Yes it can be done at live tables between Confederates.
One way to throw off a pitboss who might be observant that a team is betting against each other is checker-boarding.
That's where the Confederates switch sides back and forth. One person does Pl, then next wager does Don't pass, etc.
The value of checker-boarding is the pitboss sees BOTH players periodically winning chips. For example if you manage a full checkerboard (all six numbers placed with one player having three do and the other having three don't) when the seven hits both players get paid for their three wins.
A pitboss or dealers will be totally thrown off. They can't be betting against each other if they are being simultaneously paid for winning wagers.
Lol, I am probably giving away some deeply guarded AP secrets here.
But my point is there is always a way an AP will figure out how to beat the Casinos roadblocks.
TV News: CDC says COVID-19 is here to stay. Mitigation guidelines to be erased.
NYC health dept. identifies polio in wastewater.
Las Vegas, NV got another heavy rain with water pouring down on Black Jack tables in some casinos.
I had 10 free black chips at Caesars. My buddy bet the dont and I bet pass for ten rolls.
No 12s thrown and we didnt bother covering it.
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I had 10 free black chips at Caesars. My buddy bet the dont and I bet pass for ten rolls.
No 12s thrown and we didnt bother covering it.
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Do they let you put those free chips on the field? The place I play at, I get $500 free chips a month. $125 a week. I usually save ‘‘em until I can put down $300 or $500 on a single roll on the field.. Haven’t gotten any 2 or 12’s yet which pays 2X and 3X but had many wins and just as many losses. But again it wasn’t my money so it was a free roll, doesn’t bother me a bit that I lost the free promo chips.
