Free play doesnt last forever
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: tuttigymQuote: AlanMendelsonJust played my new level of $10 free play at Suncoast on 8/5 Bonus $1.25 per hand.
Cashed out $5.
I expected $3.75
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June 4: How many casinos did you hit today? How far did you travel from your home to the casino(s)? Did you do any additional play? What did you do the rest of the day? And finally, are you out of your mind? $5.00 Really?
You need to start a thread similar to McDawgs adventures and give us a blow by blow diary of your gambling days.
That might really be entertaining. Just sayin'
tuttigym
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I live less than a mile from Suncoast, just a mile from Red Rock.
I'm not a machine player.
I do this as an experiment.
Pre Covid Red Rock would give as much as $75, twice a week or three times a week for VP. Suncoast gave as much as $45 a couple of times a week.
It's been interesting watching how the machine free play tumbled.
More curious is that I was at $5/visit at Suncoast for the last couple of months. But this month it was raised to $10/visit with no additional play.
By the way I havent played craps at Suncoast in more than three months.
Tuttigym you are very critical of what others do. Lighten up.
Even if I traveled 30 miles for $5 of free play what does it matter to you?
We are all grownups here. Each of us has our reasons for what we do.
Sometimes we just might want to go for a ride a drop $20 in a bar top.
Several years ago Janet and I would go to local bar, grab their daily food special, and put 20 in their bar top VP machine. Maybe that's not your cup of tea. We enjoyed it.
To answer your question... after my 8 hands of VP I walked out and drove home. I'm not out of my mind. You should be suspended.
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I thought your "sense of humor" was levels higher. Personally, I think that people sitting in a boat with a rod and reel are "out of their minds" too, or those who play video games for hours on end, etc. But that is just me. Instead of having me "suspended," why don't you just block me? That might relieve your stress.
BTW what is the hypothesis of your "experiment"?
tuttigym
Quote: tuttigymQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: tuttigymQuote: AlanMendelsonJust played my new level of $10 free play at Suncoast on 8/5 Bonus $1.25 per hand.
Cashed out $5.
I expected $3.75
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June 4: How many casinos did you hit today? How far did you travel from your home to the casino(s)? Did you do any additional play? What did you do the rest of the day? And finally, are you out of your mind? $5.00 Really?
You need to start a thread similar to McDawgs adventures and give us a blow by blow diary of your gambling days.
That might really be entertaining. Just sayin'
tuttigym
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I live less than a mile from Suncoast, just a mile from Red Rock.
I'm not a machine player.
I do this as an experiment.
Pre Covid Red Rock would give as much as $75, twice a week or three times a week for VP. Suncoast gave as much as $45 a couple of times a week.
It's been interesting watching how the machine free play tumbled.
More curious is that I was at $5/visit at Suncoast for the last couple of months. But this month it was raised to $10/visit with no additional play.
By the way I havent played craps at Suncoast in more than three months.
Tuttigym you are very critical of what others do. Lighten up.
Even if I traveled 30 miles for $5 of free play what does it matter to you?
We are all grownups here. Each of us has our reasons for what we do.
Sometimes we just might want to go for a ride a drop $20 in a bar top.
Several years ago Janet and I would go to local bar, grab their daily food special, and put 20 in their bar top VP machine. Maybe that's not your cup of tea. We enjoyed it.
To answer your question... after my 8 hands of VP I walked out and drove home. I'm not out of my mind. You should be suspended.
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I thought your "sense of humor" was levels higher. Personally, I think that people sitting in a boat with a rod and reel are "out of their minds" too, or those who play video games for hours on end, etc. But that is just me. Instead of having me "suspended," why don't you just block me? That might relieve your stress.
BTW what is the hypothesis of your "experiment"?
tuttigym
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I want to see if it drops to Zero. In the meantime I keep track of what I convert to cash.
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: tuttigymQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: tuttigymQuote: AlanMendelsonJust played my new level of $10 free play at Suncoast on 8/5 Bonus $1.25 per hand.
Cashed out $5.
I expected $3.75
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June 4: How many casinos did you hit today? How far did you travel from your home to the casino(s)? Did you do any additional play? What did you do the rest of the day? And finally, are you out of your mind? $5.00 Really?
You need to start a thread similar to McDawgs adventures and give us a blow by blow diary of your gambling days.
That might really be entertaining. Just sayin'
tuttigym
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I live less than a mile from Suncoast, just a mile from Red Rock.
I'm not a machine player.
I do this as an experiment.
Pre Covid Red Rock would give as much as $75, twice a week or three times a week for VP. Suncoast gave as much as $45 a couple of times a week.
It's been interesting watching how the machine free play tumbled.
More curious is that I was at $5/visit at Suncoast for the last couple of months. But this month it was raised to $10/visit with no additional play.
By the way I havent played craps at Suncoast in more than three months.
Tuttigym you are very critical of what others do. Lighten up.
Even if I traveled 30 miles for $5 of free play what does it matter to you?
We are all grownups here. Each of us has our reasons for what we do.
Sometimes we just might want to go for a ride a drop $20 in a bar top.
Several years ago Janet and I would go to local bar, grab their daily food special, and put 20 in their bar top VP machine. Maybe that's not your cup of tea. We enjoyed it.
To answer your question... after my 8 hands of VP I walked out and drove home. I'm not out of my mind. You should be suspended.
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I thought your "sense of humor" was levels higher. Personally, I think that people sitting in a boat with a rod and reel are "out of their minds" too, or those who play video games for hours on end, etc. But that is just me. Instead of having me "suspended," why don't you just block me? That might relieve your stress.
BTW what is the hypothesis of your "experiment"?
tuttigym
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I want to see if it drops to Zero. In the meantime I keep track of what I convert to cash.
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I believe your hypothesis was that it would drop to zero with no additional play.
And now you state it had the opposite effect and doubled from $5 to $10.
Interesting how those hypotheses work.
Quote: tuttigymBTW what is the hypothesis of your "experiment"?
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I believe your hypothesis was that it would drop to zero with no additional play.
And now you state it had the opposite effect and doubled from $5 to $10.
Interesting how those hypotheses work.
So, the possibility might exist that not gambling for a year would raise one's free play to $100/wk for a couple of months, perhaps?
tuttigym
Quote: tuttigymQuote: tuttigymBTW what is the hypothesis of your "experiment"?
Quote: DarkOz
I believe your hypothesis was that it would drop to zero with no additional play.
And now you state it had the opposite effect and doubled from $5 to $10.
Interesting how those hypotheses work.
So, the possibility might exist that not gambling for a year would raise one's free play to $100/wk for a couple of months, perhaps?
tuttigym
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I am certain that his experiment is actually flawed because he is sort of in the wilderness on what to look for.
He states he hasn't gambled Craps at Suncoast in at least three months and now is surprised his offers went up. For those who do understand how the comps game works, this isn't surprising.
I have seen offers rise instead of fall however that's usually tied to NOT taking the Freeplay. Some properties but not all will have offers rise after X months because if the current offers aren't working they give it a more attractive amount.
Still the raise would not be terribly significant. Not $5 into $100. It might be $50 turns into $75 for example.
tuttigym
Quote: tuttigymCome on, darkoz, I am just messing with you. You know, like the $5 watch that actually tells time.
tuttigym
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Lol.
Well I really don't understand this whole watch business. A watch is for telling time. That's how I was raised.
If you want it because it's a gold watch or diamond encrusted (I assume that's what makes it worth 100k then fine although I would just buy diamonds and gold straight up
If it costs that much because of the name, then what a rip-off. No way any watch gears can be worth that much.
Mr. Tuttigym, I do agree that you could stand to lighten up.
havent been to mgm in 3 months.Quote: darkozI am certain that his experiment is actually flawed because he is sort of in the wilderness on what to look for.
He states he hasn't gambled Craps at Suncoast in at least three months and now is surprised his offers went up. For those who do understand how the comps game works, this isn't surprising.
I have seen offers rise instead of fall however that's usually tied to NOT taking the Freeplay. Some properties but not all will have offers rise after X months because if the current offers aren't working they give it a more attractive amount.
Still the raise would not be terribly significant. Not $5 into $100. It might be $50 turns into $75 for example.
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my freeplay went from $55/week to $135/week!
yeah, it worked. i'm going and on promo day for some useless knick knack i wont use but can re-gift
Quote: AlanMendelsonConverted this morning's $10 of free play into $15 cash thanks to a full house on 25-cent Bonus poker.
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This thread is starting to become a train wreck
Alan, you are trying to prove that freeplay doesn't last forever because I have claimed to make so much from freeplay in other threads, am I correct?
You argued with me that I couldn't possibly be real because freeplay doesn't last forever. Those were your words in a few responses to me in other threads.
Why it isn't obvious yet that I agree with you is beyond me. Yes, the freeplay will NOT Last forever.
We don't need this experiment to prove that
It should also be obvious I never claimed the freeplay will last forever. I claimed to multicard and the entire purpose of multicarding is to REGENERATE Freeplay so I can keep collecting it. I.e. when it ENDS on one card, I begin collecting on the next.
At this point it's like you asking me if I can create a perpetual motion machine, I explain that I always keep in motion by switching motors and refilling with energy sources and now you start a thread to prove perpetual motion machines don't work.
I really don't see the purpose behind this.
By the way, I still get $20 offers from Caesars even though i havent played there in 5 years.
At my peak i was getting $2500 per visit.
Quote: AlanMendelsonSorry Darkoz but my reports have nothing to do with you.
By the way, I still get $20 offers from Caesars even though i havent played there in 5 years.
At my peak i was getting $2500 per visit.
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No problem.
Those Ceasars offers are "welcome back" offers.
They are scanning old records and trying to get old customers to return. They are evaluated slightly different than a normal calendar offer.
Good luck with your endeavors.
Quote: darkozQuote: AlanMendelsonSorry Darkoz but my reports have nothing to do with you.
By the way, I still get $20 offers from Caesars even though i havent played there in 5 years.
At my peak i was getting $2500 per visit.
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No problem.
Those Ceasars offers are "welcome back" offers.
They are scanning old records and trying to get old customers to return. They are evaluated slightly different than a normal calendar offer.
Good luck with your endeavors.
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After getting $2500 per visit does Caesars really think $20 is an incentive to return?
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: darkozQuote: AlanMendelsonSorry Darkoz but my reports have nothing to do with you.
By the way, I still get $20 offers from Caesars even though i havent played there in 5 years.
At my peak i was getting $2500 per visit.
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No problem.
Those Ceasars offers are "welcome back" offers.
They are scanning old records and trying to get old customers to return. They are evaluated slightly different than a normal calendar offer.
Good luck with your endeavors.
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After getting $2500 per visit does Caesars really think $20 is an incentive to return?
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You haven't been rated in five years!!!
Quote: darkozQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: darkozQuote: AlanMendelsonSorry Darkoz but my reports have nothing to do with you.
By the way, I still get $20 offers from Caesars even though i havent played there in 5 years.
At my peak i was getting $2500 per visit.
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No problem.
Those Ceasars offers are "welcome back" offers.
They are scanning old records and trying to get old customers to return. They are evaluated slightly different than a normal calendar offer.
Good luck with your endeavors.
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After getting $2500 per visit does Caesars really think $20 is an incentive to return?
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You haven't been rated in five years!!!
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And I won't be for $20 offers.
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: darkozQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: darkozQuote: AlanMendelsonSorry Darkoz but my reports have nothing to do with you.
By the way, I still get $20 offers from Caesars even though i havent played there in 5 years.
At my peak i was getting $2500 per visit.
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No problem.
Those Ceasars offers are "welcome back" offers.
They are scanning old records and trying to get old customers to return. They are evaluated slightly different than a normal calendar offer.
Good luck with your endeavors.
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After getting $2500 per visit does Caesars really think $20 is an incentive to return?
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You haven't been rated in five years!!!
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And I won't be for $20 offers.
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What they are saying is you haven't been a loyal customer for five years. Why give you $2500 freeplay and you haven't even stopped in. Maybe you just take it.
They are being quite nice considering a customer that disappeared for half a decade.
Quote: darkozQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: darkozQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: darkozQuote: AlanMendelsonSorry Darkoz but my reports have nothing to do with you.
By the way, I still get $20 offers from Caesars even though i havent played there in 5 years.
At my peak i was getting $2500 per visit.
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No problem.
Those Ceasars offers are "welcome back" offers.
They are scanning old records and trying to get old customers to return. They are evaluated slightly different than a normal calendar offer.
Good luck with your endeavors.
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After getting $2500 per visit does Caesars really think $20 is an incentive to return?
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You haven't been rated in five years!!!
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And I won't be for $20 offers.
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What they are saying is you haven't been a loyal customer for five years. Why give you $2500 freeplay and you haven't even stopped in. Maybe you just take it.
They are being quite nice considering a customer that disappeared for half a decade.
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I would spend $20 in tips just to valet my car and get my bags to the room.
This was the dilemma my wife and I went through for years because we would get weekly Freeplay from this particular casino and would have to decide if it was worth either of our time to go collect it.
Quote: DRichMy thought is always how much time do I need to invest to collect the Freeplay? If the casino is a 90 mile drive away, and then you have to park and run in and play the Freeplay through once, how much Freeplay do I need to justify the trip? In this case I would factor in a total drive time of three hours plus approximately 30 minutes to run in and play my Freeplay through so a total of 3.5 hours invested. Obviously not worth it for $20, but does it become viable at $100, $200, $400?
This was the dilemma my wife and I went through for years because we would get weekly Freeplay from this particular casino and would have to decide if it was worth either of our time to go collect it.
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Right.
So if you had ten cards EACH with $100 freeplay....
And a good lawyer... ;)Quote: darkozQuote: DRichMy thought is always how much time do I need to invest to collect the Freeplay? If the casino is a 90 mile drive away, and then you have to park and run in and play the Freeplay through once, how much Freeplay do I need to justify the trip? In this case I would factor in a total drive time of three hours plus approximately 30 minutes to run in and play my Freeplay through so a total of 3.5 hours invested. Obviously not worth it for $20, but does it become viable at $100, $200, $400?
This was the dilemma my wife and I went through for years because we would get weekly Freeplay from this particular casino and would have to decide if it was worth either of our time to go collect it.
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Right.
So if you had ten cards EACH with $100 freeplay....
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Quote: JoemanAnd a good lawyer... ;)Quote: darkozQuote: DRichMy thought is always how much time do I need to invest to collect the Freeplay? If the casino is a 90 mile drive away, and then you have to park and run in and play the Freeplay through once, how much Freeplay do I need to justify the trip? In this case I would factor in a total drive time of three hours plus approximately 30 minutes to run in and play my Freeplay through so a total of 3.5 hours invested. Obviously not worth it for $20, but does it become viable at $100, $200, $400?
This was the dilemma my wife and I went through for years because we would get weekly Freeplay from this particular casino and would have to decide if it was worth either of our time to go collect it.
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Right.
So if you had ten cards EACH with $100 freeplay....
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And trespassing!
The solution if your are unfortunate enough to find yourself in one of these shops is easy although expensive. You run as many cards as possible until the entire casino marketing budget collapses. I find somewhere between 40 and 60 max offers in one month can normally bring everything to a halt. This ends the gangs fantasy hold they think they have over the casino. It also will end whatever future profits you could have earned at this casino. It’s a mutual destruction solution however it’s game theory optimal. Be prepared to lose big on this but if you’re smart about it you will lose way less then the your opponents.
It’s the endgame play only used in the most extreme unreasonable spots. If you been at this long enough you will know when to execute this move.
RIP
Quote: SeedvalueThe reason free play can’t last forever in today’s climate is simple. We have gangs masquerading as advantage players running cards, and acting like they own casinos and plays. They tend to think they can do what they want because perhaps they have a low level rewards desk jockey who shields them from scrutiny. Once they start corrupting employees of the casino they are now committing felons. Thats the problem… these type of guys don’t care.
The solution if your are unfortunate enough to find yourself in one of these shops is easy although expensive. You run as many cards as possible until the entire casino marketing budget collapses. I find somewhere between 40 and 60 max offers in one month can normally bring everything to a halt. This ends the gangs fantasy hold they think they have over the casino. It also will end whatever future profits you could have earned at this casino. It’s a mutual destruction solution however it’s game theory optimal. Be prepared to lose big on this but if you’re smart about it you will lose way less then the your opponents.
It’s the endgame play only used in the most extreme unreasonable spots. If you been at this long enough you will know when to execute this move.
RIP
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Interesting.
I will call that "Flat-lining" a play.
It's not what I would do. As you say, it's an expensive revenge move. Digging two graves, etc.
Me, personally, would move on to another market and wait a year for the dust to settle before seeing what the new state of offers are and how to counteract any roadblocks.
Often coming back later you find things may have eased up. When regular customers get affected, the marketing department sometimes relents.
I also find sometimes I don't want to return. I wind up discovering a better play and going back to one that's not as profitable makes no sense
I haven't gotten a mailer in a couple months so I have to gamble without the benefit of knowing when the big drawings and lucky seats are.
Maybe I should log-in online and check my points totals and offers might be mentioned there.
Had a really good day on Saturday. My $10 of free play at Red Rock quickly doubled to $20 and I kept playing hitting multiple full houses and then quad 7s. Left with $80.
Played 25 cent Bonus. 8/5
$2040 of free play on three cards for a total of $6120 at one of the Empire properties. Walked out with 5390 after playing some Video blackjack and putting in the required play needed so someone can come back next week and do the same
4 cards with $500 each at one of the guitar loving properties in and out 20 min for a nice profit of $1910
Went over to a big M property for another 6 cards x $750. Best part about this place is I can convert the free play with one bet. Easy to create the offer here even with much competition. All profit
+ $4500
Easy day took about 4 hours. Spent the rest of the day following around someone who has decided to try and act like he’s King of a certain play / casino. Since I’m only in town to help my guys figure out a way to deal with this person my day was mostly doing this. Normally I don’t personally pickup here but this is an extreme situation that needs my attention. Hopefully a reasonable solution can be negotiated.
Free play last forever when you play the same amount each time
You go in that created the offer in the first place.
Apparently there's no longer a $10 minimum of ten sessions for table game players.
Still getting my usual gift and other table game promos including meal comps but only playing free slot play has killed the free slot play.
Now I'm waiting to see what Boyd offers for July. I havent played craps at Suncoast in more than three months... probably five months.
Suncoast upped my free slot play from $5 to $10 for 11 sessions in June.
Quote: VegasriderCan’t believe some people waste their time redeeming $5-10 worth of free play. I get $125 worth of promo chips every week from my local casino and I don’t even like going there to collect them. And it’s only a 3 minute walk from my door. I usually just get them from the cage and take them home. They never expire. I usually wait until I get $500 and then place a one time field bet, hoping for someone to roll a 2 or 12 for 2 or 3X payout. Last two times, I haven’t been able to get a field number to roll. Dealers always said just bet $100 each, I respond it’s a free roll, didn’t lose any cash.
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It's worth it if you live very close by, like within a mile to drop in and get the $5-10. If you have to travel miles to get it, it's not worth it.
Quote: StarburgerQuote: VegasriderCan’t believe some people waste their time redeeming $5-10 worth of free play. I get $125 worth of promo chips every week from my local casino and I don’t even like going there to collect them. And it’s only a 3 minute walk from my door. I usually just get them from the cage and take them home. They never expire. I usually wait until I get $500 and then place a one time field bet, hoping for someone to roll a 2 or 12 for 2 or 3X payout. Last two times, I haven’t been able to get a field number to roll. Dealers always said just bet $100 each, I respond it’s a free roll, didn’t lose any cash.
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It's worth it if you live very close by, like within a mile to drop in and get the $5-10. If you have to travel miles to get it, it's not worth it.
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For some people it is worth it. For you or me it may not be, but others may value their time at less of a rate than we do.
Quote: VegasriderCan’t believe some people waste their time redeeming $5-10 worth of free play. I get $125 worth of promo chips every week from my local casino and I don’t even like going there to collect them. And it’s only a 3 minute walk from my door. I usually just get them from the cage and take them home. They never expire. I usually wait until I get $500 and then place a one time field bet, hoping for someone to roll a 2 or 12 for 2 or 3X payout. Last two times, I haven’t been able to get a field number to roll. Dealers always said just bet $100 each, I respond it’s a free roll, didn’t lose any cash.
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If you're like me and that's all you get, sometimes you take what miniscule freeplay/mailers you can. Personally, I find it worth to redeem it every time I go, for most people I am sure it's not even worth looking at, individual mileage varies of course. But hey, 5-10$ freeplay is better than 0 right?
Once upon a time I used to get $2500 per visit but those days are over.
Quote: VegasriderCan’t believe some people waste their time redeeming $5-10 worth of free play.
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I try to "combine trips". Like if I'm passing through the neighborhood and experiencing a call of nature, the $5 offer may make it break-even to go inside and get a free cup of coffee.
I could have stopped at the gas station down the road, but their coffee isn't better and they charge more for it.
Quote: VegasriderSo how often after you play your $5 or $10 free play you play a little longer by putting money in the machine? Whenever I use my free play, I intend to play anyways so essentially it’s a free roll for a short time. I have hit one Royal off my free play
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The other night at Red Rock I added $20 and finished with a profit. That was the first time in months.
I have little interest in playing video poker.
I’m sure I’ve mentioned this before, but the non-smoking environment is a much bigger draw to me than my paltry free play.
Quote: SeedvalueSunday I had
$2040 of free play on three cards for a total of $6120 at one of the Empire properties. Walked out with 5390 after playing some Video blackjack and putting in the required play needed so someone can come back next week and do the same
4 cards with $500 each at one of the guitar loving properties in and out 20 min for a nice profit of $1910
Went over to a big M property for another 6 cards x $750. Best part about this place is I can convert the free play with one bet. Easy to create the offer here even with much competition. All profit
+ $4500
Easy day took about 4 hours. Spent the rest of the day following around someone who has decided to try and act like he’s King of a certain play / casino. Since I’m only in town to help my guys figure out a way to deal with this person my day was mostly doing this. Normally I don’t personally pickup here but this is an extreme situation that needs my attention. Hopefully a reasonable solution can be negotiated.
Free play last forever when you play the same amount each time
You go in that created the offer in the first place.
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Firing from the hip here; The vast majority of patrons never receive that level of free play as shown above. Personally, I cannot wrap my brain around those figures of received free play. So, how much coin in did it take to receive $750 free play per card or even $500 per card? How many sessions of slot play and in what period of time?
tuttigym
Quote: tuttigymQuote: SeedvalueSunday I had
$2040 of free play on three cards for a total of $6120 at one of the Empire properties. Walked out with 5390 after playing some Video blackjack and putting in the required play needed so someone can come back next week and do the same
4 cards with $500 each at one of the guitar loving properties in and out 20 min for a nice profit of $1910
Went over to a big M property for another 6 cards x $750. Best part about this place is I can convert the free play with one bet. Easy to create the offer here even with much competition. All profit
+ $4500
Easy day took about 4 hours. Spent the rest of the day following around someone who has decided to try and act like he’s King of a certain play / casino. Since I’m only in town to help my guys figure out a way to deal with this person my day was mostly doing this. Normally I don’t personally pickup here but this is an extreme situation that needs my attention. Hopefully a reasonable solution can be negotiated.
Free play last forever when you play the same amount each time
You go in that created the offer in the first place.
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Firing from the hip here; The vast majority of patrons never receive that level of free play as shown above. Personally, I cannot wrap my brain around those figures of received free play. So, how much coin in did it take to receive $750 free play per card or even $500 per card? How many sessions of slot play and in what period of time?
tuttigym
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The people who know how to get those offers are not going to discuss how. Otherwise everyone will try to follow suit.
The answer will surprise you. That's all I will say.
It's a fair question: how much seed money was needed?
Darkoz you revealed $60,000 without telling any secrets.
Quote: AlanMendelsonThe numbers that tuttigym requests would not reveal the how or any secrets.
It's a fair question: how much seed money was needed?
Darkoz you revealed $60,000 without telling any secrets.
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DarkOz mentioning the sum of $60k without specifically mentioning exactly how many accounts, over how long a time period, which casinos, etc… is vague enough for public consumption.
It’s different than saying ‘I put $1300 coin through in one day at Caesars, $1650 at Borgata on two consecutive days, to get $200 twice a month in free play from each’.
Quote: AlanMendelsonThe numbers that tuttigym requests would not reveal the how or any secrets.
It's a fair question: how much seed money was needed?
Darkoz you revealed $60,000 without telling any secrets.
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You have mentioned that at one time you were getting $2500 in free play. How much coin in for that and when was that (year)? You are now down to $5 or $10. What happened? Austere gambling?
tuttigym
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: AlanMendelsonThe numbers that tuttigym requests would not reveal the how or any secrets.
It's a fair question: how much seed money was needed?
Darkoz you revealed $60,000 without telling any secrets.
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DarkOz mentioning the sum of $60k without specifically mentioning exactly how many accounts, over how long a time period, which casinos, etc… is vague enough for public consumption.
It’s different than saying ‘I put $1300 coin through in one day at Caesars, $1650 at Borgata on two consecutive days, to get $200 twice a month in free play from each’.
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I understand about naming casinos, but if all it takes is say $1300 or some similar amount, that is doable. My geographical location to casinos as well as others is a 6 hr. drive, so even those lofty amounts would still give me pause. Plus I would have to do maybe four cards or $4000+ coin in. For me, it is a no.
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It'would absolutely be too much information... its already too much information in my opinion. Even peaking someone's interest in researching or trying to gather enough information and come back and bite you in your ass. Sometimes those people become feirc competitors. Sometimes those people are idios who do dumb thing's that cause problems for everyone.Quote: AlanMendelsonThe numbers that tuttigym requests would not reveal the how or any secrets.
It's a fair question: how much seed money was needed?
Darkoz you revealed $60,000 without telling any secrets.
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Once a place gets overrun with sharp's playing card's or whatever the promotioni might be, the casino's change stuff up and oftentimes it becomes practically worthless.
I don't know how many times new guys have entered the business thinking spreading information isn't really a big deal ( Thats how they got started) only to realize ar some point just how terrible of an idea it is to give out too much information in they most if them end up telling me they totally get it now.
For some people notoriety or whatever they are looking for is more important to them.
He probably didn't keep track and do all the things necessary to take full advantage of the situation and optimize his EV. He was just having fun gambling and probably getting lucky and winning straight up on the machine's, but eventually with too much play you'll end up in the red. I guess if you get lucky and hit big enough you'll have had made some money but that's a rare situation.Quote: SOOPOOQuote: AlanMendelsonThe numbers that tuttigym requests would not reveal the how or any secrets.
It's a fair question: how much seed money was needed?
Darkoz you revealed $60,000 without telling any secrets.
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DarkOz mentioning the sum of $60k without specifically mentioning exactly how many accounts, over how long a time period, which casinos, etc… is vague enough for public consumption.
It’s different than saying ‘I put $1300 coin through in one day at Caesars, $1650 at Borgata on two consecutive days, to get $200 twice a month in free play from each’.
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Regular slot machines have double the rewards at $3 per point instead of $6 per point. So that'd be $60,000 of regular slots for $100 of free play from the kiosk. People playing $5 a spin on a slot machine for 12,000 spins could get that, but would they hit a Grand Jackpot on the way? The kiosk only pays half price for free play, on one day a week.
Quote: DieterQuote: VegasriderCan’t believe some people waste their time redeeming $5-10 worth of free play.
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I try to "combine trips". Like if I'm passing through the neighborhood and experiencing a call of nature, the $5 offer may make it break-even to go inside and get a free cup of coffee.
I could have stopped at the gas station down the road, but their coffee isn't better and they charge more for it.
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Nevermind. They've recently removed the free coffee (little of value was lost) and restructured the player's club to softly DNI low stakes players. I can only hope the new, higher play requirements for mailers also mean new, higher freeplay offers to their best players.
