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March 30th, 2021 at 3:35:48 AM permalink
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Wellbush supposedly quoted me, but I don't write like that, he must have meant OnceDear or someone else.

My mistake. Sorry. I'd got the name wrong while fixing up a quoting error.
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March 30th, 2021 at 3:37:05 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

You could edit "Chump Change said" from your previous post and put in the appropriate member you are quoting, otherwise I'm just sticking my previous post out there to say what it said.

It was my mistake. I've fixed it now.
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March 30th, 2021 at 4:12:29 PM permalink
It's clear I'm being bullied and trolled here (see Zc13's posts), violating rule 12. I've complained about it but it seems management are not going to do anything. So I'll not continue. It's sad, and people like Zc probably think they win an argument this way. But their mental capacity is clearly lacking - they keep repeating the same line...."Probability clearly shows you can't beat the house edge." Maybe they think I can't read? They think they're so smart, but they haven't learnt since kindergarten what bullying is!
All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
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March 30th, 2021 at 4:18:12 PM permalink
Quote: Wellbush

It's clear I'm being bullied and trolled here (see Zc13's posts), violating rule 12. I've complained about it but it seems management are not going to do anything. So I'll not continue. It's sad, and people like Zc probably think they win an argument this way. But their mental capacity is clearly lacking - they keep repeating the same line...."Probability clearly shows you can't beat the house edge." Maybe they think I can't read? They think they're so smart, but they haven't learnt since kindergarten what bullying is!

I see no bullying in the assertions that you are wrong.
Comments about mental capacity lacking and kintergarten DO put you on the wrong side of the 'No Personal Insults' rule. For now, take this as a warning.
Beware. The earth is NOT flat. Hit and run is not a winning strategy: Pressing into trends IS not a winning strategy: Progressives are not a winning strategy: Don't Buy It! .Don't even take it for free.
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March 30th, 2021 at 4:54:33 PM permalink
come on man tell us the winning system, i need a system! sick of losing thousands of thousands at the casino every fridaynight and saturday
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March 30th, 2021 at 5:02:19 PM permalink
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come on man tell us the winning system, i need a system! sick of losing thousands of thousands at the casino every fridaynight and saturday

Sounds like you already have a system, if you have thousands to lose every week. Just repeat whatever you did to get that.
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March 30th, 2021 at 7:31:36 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

I see no bullying in the assertions that you are wrong.
Comments about mental capacity lacking and kintergarten DO put you on the wrong side of the 'No Personal Insults' rule. For now, take this as a warning.



Rule 12. No bullying/trolling: Members are expected to act like ladies and gentlemen. Members may not be overly divisive or abusive to another member. This includes starting a thread only the for purpose of attacking another member. (Added 2/24/2012). This also includes threats against another member. (added 9/3/12)

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In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet. This is typically done by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses and normalizing tangential discussion.Wikipedia

bullying ►

Insulting with threats; imperious; overbearing; blustering: as, a bullying manner.
adj.
Noisily domineering; tending to browbeat others.
n.
An act of intimidating a weaker person to do something, especially such repeated coercion.

Wordnik from The Century Dictionary.

Bullying is an ongoing and deliberate misuse of power in relationships through repeated verbal, physical and/or social behaviour that intends to cause physical, social and/or psychological harm. It can involve an individual or a group misusing their power, or perceived power, over one or more persons who feel unable to stop it from happening.

Bullying can happen in person or online, via various digital platforms and devices and it can be obvious (overt) or hidden (covert). Bullying behaviour is repeated, or has the potential to be repeated, over time (for example, through sharing of digital records).

Bullying of any form or for any reason can have immediate, medium and long-term effects on those involved, including bystanders.

Single incidents and conflict or fights between equals, whether in person or online, are not defined as bullying.

ncab.org.au/bullying

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Whilst my previous posts have not been perfect, I think a discussion on what WizardofVegas.com does/doesn't deem acceptable is warranted. E.g. If you look at Zc's posts throughout this thread, is Zc constantly jumping in when there is a divergence of views between posters? Is Zc taking one side of the argument, and using demeaning comments? Is Zc adding any value to the discussion with further information? Is Zc behaving like a lady/gentleman? People can add thank-yous, as they wish to any post, so why should constant one-sided demeaning behaviour, that adds no further info, be required? I think it would only promote discussion and this website, if discussion did not allow one-sided people using a "he/she who shouts loudest, wins."

I think all of the above in this post, would only help this website if it was evaluated. This thread is a great example of someone (me) walking unknowingly into a nest of math heads, and the resultant problems that ensued. I don't mind if I can have a reasonable discussion, but it's obviously a very disappointing discussion if there is fruitless negativity being directed at someone (me), without any new info to back it up. There are plenty of posters who have provided info in proposing their different views, and I am happy to thrash them out with different posters. But is Zc and some others doing that? Does WizardofVegas.com only accept that everything in life can be measured via math formulae? Does WizardofVegas.com not allow open discussion on betting systems? Will WizardofVegas continue to allow people to HAMMER contrarian thinkers by letting math-formula-only people jump in on, and virtually take over discussions, with demeaning-only posts?

It seems to me that MDawg is a reasonable guy, and wins and loses at casinos. Should his posts be removed because he says he's come out in front, over many years? Does WizardofVegas.com automatically assume MDawg's lying because he's saying something that is apparently mathematically impossible? I think his posts add a lot of value to this site, and it's why I think my comments here need consideration by management.

You may think that there's nothing wrong with Zc's posts, including a large goofy picture, but I do. Have you got a wide range of views, including non-math-head one's, on what is/isn't acceptable in the forums? The math-formula-only demeaning contributors, who are not providing added information on the topic at hand, I believe, are seriously limiting the quality of some discussions in the forums. WizardofVegas.com are probably unknowingly limiting their subscriber base because of what I've raised in this post. E.g. Do other contrarian thinkers like myself, feel comfortable about discussing similar topics to mine, when they know they'll receive the same treatment as I have in this thread?

It's glaringly obvious what many poster's views in the forums are. Does WizardofVegas.com therefore only accept their views? I think WizardofVegas.com should consider discussing what's in this post. I, for one, will not be replying to legitimate discussion on my strategy, till I think WizardofVegas meets standards I deem acceptable.
Last edited by: Wellbush on Mar 30, 2021
All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
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March 30th, 2021 at 8:39:56 PM permalink
Quote: Wellbush

Rule 12. No bullying/trolling: Members are expected to act like ladies and gentlemen. Members may not be overly divisive or abusive to another member. This includes starting a thread only the for purpose of attacking another member. (Added 2/24/2012). This also includes threats against another member. (added 9/3/12)

****************************************************

In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet. This is typically done by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses and normalizing tangential discussion.Wikipedia

bullying ►

Insulting with threats; imperious; overbearing; blustering: as, a bullying manner.
adj.
Noisily domineering; tending to browbeat others.
n.
An act of intimidating a weaker person to do something, especially such repeated coercion.

Wordnik from The Century Dictionary.

Bullying is an ongoing and deliberate misuse of power in relationships through repeated verbal, physical and/or social behaviour that intends to cause physical, social and/or psychological harm. It can involve an individual or a group misusing their power, or perceived power, over one or more persons who feel unable to stop it from happening.

Bullying can happen in person or online, via various digital platforms and devices and it can be obvious (overt) or hidden (covert). Bullying behaviour is repeated, or has the potential to be repeated, over time (for example, through sharing of digital records).

Bullying of any form or for any reason can have immediate, medium and long-term effects on those involved, including bystanders.

Single incidents and conflict or fights between equals, whether in person or online, are not defined as bullying.

ncab.org.au/bullying

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Whilst my previous posts have not been perfect, I think a discussion on what WizardofVegas.com does/doesn't deem acceptable is warranted. E.g. If you look at Zc's posts throughout this thread, is Zc constantly jumping in when there is a divergence of views between posters? Is Zc taking one side of the argument, and using demeaning comments? Is Zc adding any value to the discussion with further information? Is Zc behaving like a lady/gentleman? People can add thank-yous, as they wish to any post, so why should constant one-sided demeaning behaviour, that adds no further info, be required? I think it would only promote discussion and this website, if discussion did not allow one-sided people using a "he/she who shouts loudest, wins."

I think all of the above in this post, would only help this website if it was evaluated. This thread is a great example of someone (me) walking unknowingly into a nest of math heads, and the resultant problems that ensued. I don't mind if I can have a reasonable discussion, but it's obviously a very disappointing discussion if there is fruitless negativity being directed at someone (me), without any new info to back it up. There are plenty of posters who have provided info in proposing their different views, and I am happy to thrash them out with different posters. But is Zc and some others doing that? Does WizardofVegas.com only accept that everything in life can be measured via math formulae? Does WizardofVegas.com not allow open discussion on betting systems? Will WizardofVegas continue to allow people to HAMMER contrarian thinkers by letting math-formula-only people jump in on, and virtually take over discussions, with demeaning-only posts?

It seems to me that MDawg is a reasonable guy, and wins and loses at casinos. Should his posts be removed because he says he's come out in front, over many years? Does WizardofVegas.com automatically assume MDawg's lying because he's saying something that is apparently mathematically impossible? I think his posts add a lot of value to this site, and it's why I think my comments here need consideration by management.

You may think that there's nothing wrong with Zc's posts, including a large goofy picture, but I do. Have you got a wide range of views, including non-math-head one's, on what is/isn't acceptable in the forums? The math-formula-only demeaning contributors, who are not providing added information on the topic at hand, I believe, are seriously limiting the quality of some discussions in the forums. WizardofVegas.com are probably unknowingly limiting their subscriber base because of what I've raised in this post. E.g. Do other contrarian thinkers like myself, feel comfortable about discussing similar topics to mine, when they know they'll receive the same treatment as I have in this thread?

It's glaringly obvious what many poster's views in the forums are. Does WizardofVegas.com therefore only accept their views? I think WizardofVegas.com should consider discussing what's in this post. I, for one, will not be replying to legitimate discussion on my strategy, till I think WizardofVegas meets standards I deem acceptable.



Betting systems are not valued here because they are bogus. In the 100's of years in now thousands of casinos, with billions and billions of hands, not one betting system has ever been able to beat a house advantage. It's nothing against you. You are just one of thousands to be fooled by short term positive variance, lucky runs, selective memory or risking a lot to win a little and thinking the rare huge loss won't get you.

I'm sorry I hurt your feeling with truths and facts. Your betting system does not overcome the house edge over the long haul. If you want to discuss winning betting systems, this is not the best forum for you. Nobody here will agree with you. You've even been shown the math and then you came up with "what about taking breaks?". That shows you don't understand the math and how gambling works.


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March 30th, 2021 at 9:19:03 PM permalink
Yes, please move on. You're system doesn't work and your 4 months has been wasted.

ZCore13

You are wrong about just about everything you are saying and believe. This is not a forum where you can say you can win and you are believed and fawned over. Your audience here is math professionals, odds experts, game protection specialists, Casino GM's, Table Game Directors and successful game inventors.

Your system doesn't work. List the details and some of the people above will disprove it for you beyond a reasonable doubt. If you can't do that, somewhere else will be less frustrating and more pleasant for you.

ZCore13

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Different user name, same nonsense.

ZCore13



You won't be around long, so good luck when you scrape up $2,000. I feel bad for you for more reasons than one.

ZCore13

It's obviously a an attempt to get people in a frenzy. He has no system that wins. Same poo different day. It's entertainment to him. To me too actually.

ZCore13

Lol at breaks away from the table.

ZCore13

Hahahaha. Apologize for me being right and you being wrong? You don't have a winning betting system. Nobody has a winning betting system. Under no surcumstance does betting alone overcome a house edge in a casino. Ever.

ZCore13

Betting systems are not valued here because they are bogus. In the 100's of years in now thousands of casinos, with billions and billions of hands, not one betting system has ever been able to beat a house advantage. It's nothing against you. You are just one of thousands to be fooled by short term positive variance, lucky runs, selective memory or risking a lot to win a little and thinking the rare huge loss won't get you.

I'm sorry I hurt your feeling with truths and facts. Your betting system does not overcome the house edge over the long haul. If you want to discuss winning betting systems, this is not the best forum for you. Nobody here will agree with you. You've even been shown the math and then you came up with "what about taking breaks?". That shows you don't understand the math and how gambling works.

ZCore13

These are all your posts, except for the very large goofy picture. Where are the truths and facts except for the repeated line about the house can never be beaten? I provided a serious amount of info in my posts, about my strategy. You still repeat the same demeaning line without any constructive info. You discount everything but don't get specific.

So what kind of apology do you seriously think you've given? Do you seriously think other contrarians think you won't continue with your behaviour, from what you've written in your last post?
All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
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March 30th, 2021 at 9:23:45 PM permalink
Quote: Wellbush

Yes, please move on. You're system doesn't work and your 4 months has been wasted.

ZCore13

You are wrong about just about everything you are saying and believe. This is not a forum where you can say you can win and you are believed and fawned over. Your audience here is math professionals, odds experts, game protection specialists, Casino GM's, Table Game Directors and successful game inventors.

Your system doesn't work. List the details and some of the people above will disprove it for you beyond a reasonable doubt. If you can't do that, somewhere else will be less frustrating and more pleasant for you.

ZCore13



You won't be around long, so good luck when you scrape up $2,000. I feel bad for you for more reasons than one.

ZCore13

It's obviously a an attempt to get people in a frenzy. He has no system that wins. Same poo different day. It's entertainment to him. To me too actually.

ZCore13

Lol at breaks away from the table.

ZCore13

Hahahaha. Apologize for me being right and you being wrong? You don't have a winning betting system. Nobody has a winning betting system. Under no surcumstance does betting alone overcome a house edge in a casino. Ever.

ZCore13

Betting systems are not valued here because they are bogus. In the 100's of years in now thousands of casinos, with billions and billions of hands, not one betting system has ever been able to beat a house advantage. It's nothing against you. You are just one of thousands to be fooled by short term positive variance, lucky runs, selective memory or risking a lot to win a little and thinking the rare huge loss won't get you.

I'm sorry I hurt your feeling with truths and facts. Your betting system does not overcome the house edge over the long haul. If you want to discuss winning betting systems, this is not the best forum for you. Nobody here will agree with you. You've even been shown the math and then you came up with "what about taking breaks?". That shows you don't understand the math and how gambling works.

ZCore13

These are all your posts, except for the very large goofy picture. Where are the truths and facts except for the repeated line about the house can never be beaten? I provided a serious amount of info in my posts, about my strategy. You still repeat the same demeaning line without any constructive info. You discount everything but don't get specific.

So what kind of apology do you seriously think you've given? Do you seriously think other contrarians think you won't continue with your behaviour, from what you've written in your last post?



It's all true. Just because you don't like it, it doesn't change the facts. You keep saying the same stuff. Then I reply saying basically the same thing you already didn't listen to. Then it gets repeated over and over. Stop stating incorrect information that your betting system can beat the house edge and I'll stop telling you it can't. Pretty simple.


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I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.

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