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Wizard
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January 22nd, 2021 at 7:47:14 PM permalink
In my continued analysis of betting systems, I would like to turn my attention to systems one has to pay for. In doing a search on the topic, I came across the Keefer Roulette System. This book appears to be out of print, but used copies are going for about $23 on Amazon. It pained me greatly to have to pay for one.



That said, the whole system was easily fit on two pages. It is basically a nine-step Martingale with these tweaks:

1. Instead of jumping from 2 to 4 unit bet, the player goes to 3 after 2. In other words, the sequence is 1-2-3-6-12-24-48-96-192.
2. The player plays opposite bets at the same time.

I explain it in more detail and cover an analysis of the single-zero game at my new page at WoO on the Keefer Roulette System. My double-zero simulation is currently running and I'll update the page tomorrow with those results. I also plan to retake the pictures of the eight key pages.

For now, I throw it open to the forum for comments. Of the attorneys on the forum, I ask whether I am within the "fair use" rules to explain the system and/or show pictures of some of the pages?

The question for the forum is would you use the Keefer System?
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ksdjdj
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January 23rd, 2021 at 2:21:51 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

(snip)
For now, I throw it open to the forum for comments. Of the attorneys on the forum, I ask whether I am within the "fair use" rules to explain the system and/or show pictures of some of the pages? (snip)


Not a lawyer (or anything close to one) but here are are a couple of links that I found interesting:

https://stevelaube.com/how-much-can-i-quote-from-another-source-without-permission/#:~:text=Answer%3A,the%20entirety%20of%20your%20book.

https://www.janefriedman.com/sample-permission-letter/

Quote: Wizard

(snip)The question for the forum is would you use the Keefer System?


For the poll, I chose:
".No -- All betting systems are equally worthless."
"Wiz, why are you such a downer?"
and
"I like how the ball on the cover landed in zero."
lilredrooster
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January 23rd, 2021 at 5:00:48 AM permalink
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"13 Against the Bank" is a very well written and fun to read book even though the author's claim of a winning system is obviously bogus
apparently some think the system is not bogus as the mass market is being offered on Amazon (linked) for $768
it's available free on the internet archive (linked) if you create a free account (I'm pretty sure)

in the book the author explains that his father was crushed playing a martingale in Europe and that the casino manager laughed in his face

he strikes back by forming a team of roulette players using a reverse labouchere on the even chances and they crush the house
he claims that they are looking for one of the 13 on the team to get a fabulous run on the even chances and that they clean up


https://archive.org/details/thirteenagainstb00leig

https://www.amazon.com/Thirteen-Against-Bank-Roulette-Unbeatable/dp/1843440326
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January 23rd, 2021 at 5:45:07 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

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"13 Against the Bank" is a very well written and fun to read book even though the author's claim of a winning system is obviously bogus
apparently some think the system is not bogus as the mass market is being offered on Amazon (linked) for $768
it's available free on the internet archive (linked) if you create a free account (I'm pretty sure)

in the book the author explains that his father was crushed playing a martingale in Europe and that the casino manager laughed in his face

he strikes back by forming a team of roulette players using a reverse labouchere on the even chances and they crush the house
he claims that they are looking for one of the 13 on the team to get a fabulous run on the even chances and that they clean up


https://archive.org/details/thirteenagainstb00leig

https://www.amazon.com/Thirteen-Against-Bank-Roulette-Unbeatable/dp/1843440326



The book is selling for $20.78. I reviewed this book on here a few years ago.

I do agree it is a fun but fictitious read designed to appear a true story.

Should probably rename it the "Adventures of thirteen Greyhounds against the bank" :)
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rsactuary
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January 23rd, 2021 at 9:10:24 AM permalink
Couple notes on your page

The double zero simulation table is blank.

In the single zero simulation table, after the probability of a win, you have two lines that just say "probability". I suspect you want it to say probability of breaking even and probability of a loss.
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January 23rd, 2021 at 9:29:40 AM permalink
In principle, spending $23 on that book is even worse than buying lottery tickets. Maybe you can return it
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Wizard
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January 23rd, 2021 at 6:09:39 PM permalink
Thank you all for your comments!

Quote: Ace2

In principle, spending $23 on that book is even worse than buying lottery tickets. Maybe you can return it



I knew what I was buying and got what I needed to out of it. The seller never represented the book was truthful.

I have finished my double-zero simulation, added it to my page, and made many edits.

Please have a new look.
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January 24th, 2021 at 3:33:31 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The question for the forum is would you use the Keefer System?



No. It doesn't reduce the house edge and greatly increases risk of ruin.

"As a broad standard, never quote more than a few successive paragraphs from a book or article, take more than one chart or diagram, include an illustration or other artwork in a book or newsletter without the artist's permission, or quote more than one or two lines from a poem."
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January 24th, 2021 at 4:20:34 AM permalink
Quote: Tanko



"As a broad standard, never quote more than a few successive paragraphs from a book or article, take more than one chart or diagram, include an illustration or other artwork in a book or newsletter without the artist's permission, or quote more than one or two lines from a poem."




as a broad standard never quote a rule without giving the source


source: self



note: guidelines or rules are all but useless if nobody follows them and nobody enforces them






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January 24th, 2021 at 4:51:08 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

Quote: Tanko



"As a broad standard, never quote more than a few successive paragraphs from a book or article, take more than one chart or diagram, include an illustration or other artwork in a book or newsletter without the artist's permission, or quote more than one or two lines from a poem."




as a broad standard never quote a rule without giving the source


source: self



note: guidelines or rules are all but useless if nobody follows them and nobody enforces them






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As a broad rule check the link the poster supplied to see if that is the source of the quote (it is)

Source: internet
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