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July 19th, 2020 at 2:06:02 PM permalink
How confident is the Wizard about “the impossibility of” beating randomness?

Is it possible the Wizard secretly knows you can beat random, but won't admit it? If I really come up with a method to beat randomness at the casino, would I have to worry about getting banned? What if you have to track results and bets using pen and paper? Is it true there are no banned roulette players? If there are, please don't count people who may have illegally cheated or something like that. Is it true you can't get banned from casinos in AC? Are there any other casinos around the world that you don't have to worry about getting banned at? (casinos with single zero roulette would be preferable)

Is there a way to confirm that there really are no banned roulette players?
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July 19th, 2020 at 2:24:48 PM permalink
I'll flag your post to wizard for his attention. He could probably use a good laugh.
If you come up with a way of beating random, go get rich. You won't need bragging rights.
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July 19th, 2020 at 2:25:10 PM permalink
Quote: tough

How confident is the Wizard about “the impossibility of” beating randomness?

Is it possible the Wizard secretly knows you can beat random, but won't admit it? If I really come up with a method to beat randomness at the casino, would I have to worry about getting banned? What if you have to track results and bets using pen and paper? Is it true there are no banned roulette players? If there are, please don't count people who may have illegally cheated or something like that. Is it true you can't get banned from casinos in AC? Are there any other casinos around the world that you don't have to worry about getting banned at? (casinos with single zero roulette would be preferable)

Is there a way to confirm that there really are no banned roulette players?



I am guessing you don't understand what randomness is. If it can be beat it isn't random.
Living longer does not always infer +EV
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July 19th, 2020 at 2:26:11 PM permalink
Quote: tough

How confident is the Wizard about “the impossibility of” beating randomness?

Is it possible the Wizard secretly knows you can beat random, but won't admit it? If I really come up with a method to beat randomness at the casino, would I have to worry about getting banned? What if you have to track results and bets using pen and paper? Is it true there are no banned roulette players? If there are, please don't count people who may have illegally cheated or something like that. Is it true you can't get banned from casinos in AC? Are there any other casinos around the world that you don't have to worry about getting banned at? (casinos with single zero roulette would be preferable)

Is there a way to confirm that there really are no banned roulette players?



i once overheard pit managers sort of complaining about an employee (former? not sure) who came in trying to count cards and they were laughing at her because they truly didnt think it worked and didnt care how much money people throw at the game or whatever system you use. if you are thrown out im sure its because you were drunk or thats the only reason ive ever seen anyone get kicked out of a casino most of the time
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July 19th, 2020 at 2:46:09 PM permalink
You can count cards - this has been proven.

However, if you start with a full deck/shoe, the count is zero.

In effect, every spin in roulette, and every roll in craps, is from a "full deck" situation; all of the possible results are equally likely.
No, I did not just say that rolling a 7 is equally as likely as a 12 - I did say that, on each particular die, the 1 is as likely to come up as the 6.
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July 19th, 2020 at 10:07:43 PM permalink
Quote: tough

What if you have to track results and bets using pen and paper?

At some foreign casinos I’ve seen people tracking results on paper. In the USA they make it easier by showing the last 20 or so results on a vertical screen

The only way you’d get banned is outright cheating (like placing a bet after the ball fell into a number) or if you were able to identify significantly biased wheels, which probably don’t exist in major casinos
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July 20th, 2020 at 2:59:53 AM permalink
the link is to a poster - screen name Gizmotron - from another forum who claims he can beat randomness - this guy has been claiming this stuff for years
the title of his thread is "Reading Randomness"

it's nonsense of course - incomprehensible babbling scribbles - he has surely written over the equivalent of 100 typed pages on this thread

I posted it just for curiosity's sake




hundreds of gamblers - actually more likely thousands - across the web have claimed they can beat negative expectancy games with bet selection and/or betting progressions - varying the size of the bet either to recover losses or to parlay wins

not a single one has ever been able to offer proof that they could do it or that it could be done

if anybody ever did do it - it could not be kept secret

it would be one of the biggest news stories of the century




https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/reading-randomness.14733/
𝘱𝘢𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘰𝘵: 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘰𝘯 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘳 𝘭𝘰𝘶𝘥𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵............. ᴍᴀʀᴋ ᴛᴡᴀɪɴ
tough
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July 20th, 2020 at 5:26:07 AM permalink
I guess no one has ever looked into information from [redacted name: system touting site redacted](the dot is a .). This can be found using the wayback machine (internet archives); go to the January 2010 snapshot or earlier. You may have to play with the site, e.g., highlighting text to see it.

I have spent about two years on this before figuring out how to put a huge dent in the house edge for european roulette. It's not that hard to figure out, and it's really simple to track. This flat bet is a formula that consistently beats no zero roulette (unfortunately, there is no such thing). Charles claimed to make about 4 million per year playing roulette and created a trust of professional roulette players that donate and help children in need.

I have also come across interesting results while trying to find other consistent winning formulas, e.g., I won every bet for about 1,000 spins; possibly, randomness doesn't always behave randomly, idk the explanation.
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July 20th, 2020 at 7:12:17 AM permalink
Quote: tough

I guess no one has ever looked into information from [redacted name: system touting site redacted] (the dot is a .). This can be found using the wayback machine (internet archives); go to the January 2010 snapshot or earlier. You may have to play with the site, e.g., highlighting text to see it.


Actually, a considerable number of people looked into the information, and most came to the conclusion that it was just another system that didn't win 100% of the time.

"Consistently" beating a game is a meaningless term. On a single-zero wheel with a maximum bet that is 1024 times the minimum bet, Martingale wins 1526 times out of 1527; I think that qualifies as "consistent," but the amount you lose that 1527th time more than wipes out your winnings from the first 1526.

As for "no-zero roulette," in theory, any system will win "eventually." However, it may take trillions of spins to get back to the break-even point. As I like to say, "eventually can be a very, very, very long time from now."
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July 20th, 2020 at 10:36:15 AM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

"Consistently" beating a game is a meaningless term.



Just think of this as winning more than losing.

Quote: ThatDonGuy

Martingale wins 1526 times out of 1527; I think that qualifies as "consistent," but the amount you lose that 1527th time more than wipes out your winnings from the first 1526.


Charles never advocates progression, other than on his ultimate betting strategy, that doesn't seem to work. He says multiple times that he has a flat bet that wins every session.

Also, it is pure common sense that you would have to consistently win more than martingale "wipe outs" to consistently win using martingale.

Quote: ThatDonGuy

As for "no-zero roulette," in theory, any system will win "eventually."


I'm talking about consistently winning more sessions and units than losing. This is all very simple. For example, if I win 6 out of 10 sessions (on no zero or any roulette), using flat bets, after hundreds of thousands of sessions, this would obviously be a consistent winner.

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