Gandler
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January 4th, 2018 at 3:51:58 PM permalink
So I think (well that is being modest, I know) that I have a winning system for all games.

In fact I have even ran a sim of it on some (not all) common table games and some slots.

The sim was inconclusive, because there is more work to be done (and countless games and variations of rules for the games to cover) before I can with 100% that this is the ultimate betting system. But, I would bet that my system is better than all others, and maybe would even pass the Wizard's test (I honestly do not remember the exact rules since it has been so many years since he had that available.
***(Update after finding an archived version of the old rules [See Below] I can say that this would not pass a sim requiring 1 billion Bets while only allowing play on Roulette , Baccarat , and Craps. So, sorry, I shot the gun with that claim, I would need Blackjack or certain slots or VP to be allowed.
https://wizardofodds.com/gambling/betting-systems/challenge/
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But, the House always has a edge. (with some rare exceptions, like certain video pokers, and at certain points in the game during blackjack). But, for the sake of simplicity and the further cement the validity of this betting system, lets just stick with games and scenarios where the house has an edge, because technically all betting systems are +EV anyway if the player has a constant edge so no sims would be needed.

And, no I am not here to sell anything, just to distribute information for the betterment of the American Gambling Community. I will respond to all questions publicly on here (I actually ignore all PMs for system advice or requests for free slot play).

But, for the sake of this system and simplicity I am going to stick to slot machines for a basic run-through. (to be continued when I have time to type out the rest of the system).
MrV
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January 4th, 2018 at 3:53:58 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

But, for the sake of this system and simplicity I am going to stick to slot machines for a basic run-through. (to be continued when I have time to type out the rest of the system).



Oh, you can save your breath; just type out a one paragraph summary.
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Gandler
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January 4th, 2018 at 3:57:23 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Oh, you can save your breath; just type out a one paragraph summary.



Actually I cannot, because it varies based on games, even dates, and promos at various casinos that need to be factored.

-As such a lot of writing and research (to be up to date on publicly available promos) is involved.
noy2222
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January 4th, 2018 at 4:04:34 PM permalink
Here's a shortlist:
Roulette: ALWAYS bet on black. Unless a red or a green is going to come up.
Blackjack: Bet high when you're going to get a good hand, bet low when you're going to get a bad hand
Three Card Poker: Can't be beat, don't play that.
Baccarat: Stab the dealer with a pencil, steal all the chips on the table. Security will respect your moxie and allow you to cash in.
Slots: Rub the screen gently in order to manipulate the RNG in your favor. If you keep losing, rub it more passionately.
(Note: Wheel of Fortune is an exception. You must yell out letters and clap very loudly in order to win a jackpot. if you keep losing, yell out better letters)
Big Wheel: Bet on 40 and 20. Bigger numbers means higher payrate.
Craps: Learn how to manipulate dice with your mind. It might take years, but that is the best system to win it big.
Video Poker: Hold the best 2 cards. It works exactly like Hold'em.
Hold'em: Snatch your opponant's hand when he's not looking. Tell the dealer you'll be playing it "Omaha style"
Bingo: Yell Bingo! really loudly after the 17th ball comes out.
Keno: Play the Lost numbers.
Pai Gow: No one really knows the rules of Pai Gow. Make them up and convince the dealer you've won. It works similarly to Mornington Crescent.
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January 4th, 2018 at 4:28:02 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

Actually I cannot, because it varies based on games, even dates, and promos at various casinos that need to be factored.

-As such a lot of writing and research (to be up to date on publicly available promos) is involved.



If you are including promos then there certainly are ways to beat the house on otherwise -EV games. It is what the AP's do everyday actually. Among other things.
Gandler
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January 4th, 2018 at 8:12:12 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

If you are including promos then there certainly are ways to beat the house on otherwise -EV games. It is what the AP's do everyday actually. Among other things.



Exactly, designing a system that incorporates standard daily promos and loss rebates available to the public and match-plays as part of its betting strategy makes it actually pretty easy have a +EV betting system and can be worked onto almost any game, particularly games and machines that already have a low house edge .
MrV
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January 4th, 2018 at 9:50:40 PM permalink
That sort of thing is fine for locals, but means little or nothing to we out of towners who fly in and out for a few days maybe once or so a year.
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darkoz
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January 5th, 2018 at 3:04:21 AM permalink
Quote: Gandler

Exactly, designing a system that incorporates standard daily promos and loss rebates available to the public and match-plays as part of its betting strategy makes it actually pretty easy have a +EV betting system and can be worked onto almost any game, particularly games and machines that already have a low house edge .



That is an already estabñished AP move. Its my primary move

I can state there are so many pitfalls that it is too casino specific for most people to ever master. I have seen plenty of people try. Not tooting my own horn but trust me there are always unexpected hurdles in that type of ??? System??

According to the Wiz rules and Michael Bluejay if he is still giving the similar offer what you propose is not classified as a system that beats -ev games but as a strategy to outwit casinos that dont give proper thought to their promotions. As such your "system" does not match the Wiz requirements for the challenge
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gamerfreak
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January 5th, 2018 at 5:13:36 AM permalink
Quote: Gandler

Exactly, designing a system that incorporates standard daily promos and loss rebates available to the public and match-plays as part of its betting strategy makes it actually pretty easy have a +EV betting system and can be worked onto almost any game, particularly games and machines that already have a low house edge .


Thatís comp/promotion hustling, which is a standard AP play, the bread and butter for machine players.

Calling it a system system implies that you can mathematically overcome the House edge long term by varying bets in a certain systematic way. And that is not possible reguardless of how hydrated you are.
Gandler
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January 5th, 2018 at 8:19:53 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

That is an already estabñished AP move. Its my primary move

I can state there are so many pitfalls that it is too casino specific for most people to ever master. I have seen plenty of people try. Not tooting my own horn but trust me there are always unexpected hurdles in that type of ??? System??

According to the Wiz rules and Michael Bluejay if he is still giving the similar offer what you propose is not classified as a system that beats -ev games but as a strategy to outwit casinos that dont give proper thought to their promotions. As such your "system" does not match the Wiz requirements for the challenge



I know I already conceded that when I found his archived rules (and updated my main thread). As for Michael Bluejay, I have no clue who that is to be honest.

My system does not require match play or promo plays, but it did incorporate them. It is very easy to turn almost any game +EV when over 50% of your bets are made with not your money.

In my opinion any system that requires changing your bet or bet type (IE swithcing to promo plays) according to certain conditions should count as a betting system.

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