3 Card Poker - Seating position?
Quote: kvsmith59ok. reason I asked was that if you are at 1st base you are getting the cards out of the shuffle. If you're playing on opposite side, "your cards" could vary depending on who sits down in between shuffles. So, if someone sits down to my right, they are getting what would have been my cards and I'm getting what would have been dealers. Since the hands are shuffled every time guess it makes no difference
this would matter if one feature of the shuffler were intentionally stacking the cards to make the players win. unfortunately casinos tend not to buy shufflers with that feature.
Quote: IbeatyouracesIt makes no difference.
come on, you know that isn't true
Quote: BizzyBIt makes a huge difference. Anytime you lose a -EV game, you should yell at someone, because it is not your fault you lost. The number one culprit is people jumping in and out, in and out, in and out! "WHY!?" you should ask yourself. Why? Because they work for the casino, that's why. You'd win if they didn't do that. Number two culprit, people who play differently than you would. Stupidest thing to do in 3-card is not play the side bet. Even in a continuously shuffled game, nothing is totally random, is it? Totally messes the flow of the cards to jump in, totally messes with karma to be a cheapskate. If everyone played right, the casinos would go bankrupt overnight. And if you are playing by yourself and losing, it's the dealer's fault.
Don't forget the button on the shuffling machine that makes everyone lose.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceDon't forget the button on the shuffling machine that makes everyone lose.
Yes, the one marked "cheat on".
btw I'm hoping the shuffler using a timing chip, so it picks the hands randomly at the time the button is pressed rather than by some pre-determined [random] order. The only time it matters is if the first three cards are already waiting to be handed out (sitting in the tray) and someone barges in, changes money and bets the first box ahead of you. This might be a reason for never playing an early box or always grabbing first box if you were superstitious.
But technically if you were only playing your own hand based on your cards only - it should make no difference.
Quote: charliepatrickActually (and I guessing based on 5-card poker) that if you had a close decision you might change your decision based on other people's decisions (in 5-card I think you play marginal AK hands if everyone else does), so sometimes playing last (and receiving last) could have a benefit.
btw I'm hoping the shuffler using a timing chip, so it picks the hands randomly at the time the button is pressed rather than by some pre-determined [random] order. The only time it matters is if the first three cards are already waiting to be handed out (sitting in the tray) and someone barges in, changes money and bets the first box ahead of you. This might be a reason for never playing an early box or always grabbing first box if you were superstitious.
But technically if you were only playing your own hand based on your cards only - it should make no difference.
How are you gonna base your decision on any one else's cards? We are talking about the game where the optimum strategy is the exact same every hand, correct? How would it possibly change if you wait for other players to make their decision to bet or fold?
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceDon't forget the button on the shuffling machine that makes everyone lose.
Everyone knows that's not true, it's just a joke about the old days before the new book was written that clearly states that anything the casino offers, such as surrender, is a sucker bet. Surrender is just like insurance. Doubling down is not offered by the casino, it is permitted.
Quote: BizzyB.... Doubling down is not offered by the casino, it is permitted.
Ah....that's DIFFERENT!
The main reason for this is the fact that if a player sits down in front of you, there's a chance that they'll sit down to a great hand, which would have been yours. Granted, there's just as good a chance that they'll take the rotten hand and give you the good hand. But if the player does sit down and "take" your winner away, you have to ask yourself if you're the sort who would go on tilt because of this. As a table games dealer, I've seen this happen countless times, and as a gambler myself, I've had this happen to me.
If you think you might tilt and start playing poorly as a result (betting -EV hands out of frustration), better to avoid the situation by taking the first seat, where for better or worse, you will always have "your" hand.
Quote: DeucekiesStatistically, it makes no difference which seat you choose. Psychologically, however, I would submit that in games like Three Card Poker and Ultimate Texas Hold'em, you would benefit from taking the first base seat if it is available.
The main reason for this is the fact that if a player sits down in front of you, there's a chance that they'll sit down to a great hand, which would have been yours. Granted, there's just as good a chance that they'll take the rotten hand and give you the good hand. But if the player does sit down and "take" your winner away, you have to ask yourself if you're the sort who would go on tilt because of this. As a table games dealer, I've seen this happen countless times, and as a gambler myself, I've had this happen to me.
If you think you might tilt and start playing poorly as a result (betting -EV hands out of frustration), better to avoid the situation by taking the first seat, where for better or worse, you will always have "your" hand.
Exactly. Games are all psychological, math has pretty much nothing to do with it. The casino knows this. That's why they hire people to sit down at half-empty tables. What makes me go on tilt is when I don't play the side bet and it hits! 50 to 1 on the royal match and I didn't play it! God I'm so stupid! I mean yeah I'd been sittin there for a couple hours, so that's like 25 hands. But if I would have been betting $25 each time, I woulda made like $1500!!! Let's get ploppified!
If you could see everyone else's cards it could make a slight difference in strategy.Quote: BizzyBQuote: charliepatrickActually (and I guessing based on 5-card poker) that if you had a close decision you might change your decision based on other people's decisions (in 5-card I think you play marginal AK hands if everyone else does), so sometimes playing last (and receiving last) could have a benefit.
btw I'm hoping the shuffler using a timing chip, so it picks the hands randomly at the time the button is pressed rather than by some pre-determined [random] order. The only time it matters is if the first three cards are already waiting to be handed out (sitting in the tray) and someone barges in, changes money and bets the first box ahead of you. This might be a reason for never playing an early box or always grabbing first box if you were superstitious.
But technically if you were only playing your own hand based on your cards only - it should make no difference.
How are you gonna base your decision on any one else's cards? We are talking about the game where the optimum strategy is the exact same every hand, correct? How would it possibly change if you wait for other players to make their decision to bet or fold?
Quote: HunterhillIf you could see everyone else's cards it could make a slight difference in strategy.
Particularly the dealer's....
