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petroglyph
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October 29th, 2013 at 7:56:12 PM permalink
Quote: rainman

I think I see a pattern developing. Hmmm... perhaps this could be the start of a winning system. :)





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October 29th, 2013 at 7:56:53 PM permalink
Wizard I think you should have a specific rule that states you may not use this site to entice or recruit players in any way, for any mathematically unproven system.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 29th, 2013 at 7:57:16 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I'm thinking of throwing up some more shoes on my site anyway. The 2,000 I have now show every card, which may be more information that is needed. What do you think of this format:

1-PPBBPPPBBBBPBPPTPPBPPPBPPBTTBPBPBBBBBBPPBBBPBBTBBTPBPBBBBBBPTBPBPBBTBBBTBBBBBPPTP



Perfect format.

Too bad we don't see streaks like those with real cards.

Maybe in Canada.
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October 29th, 2013 at 8:19:26 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I'm thinking of throwing up some more shoes on my site anyway. The 2,000 I have now show every card, which may be more information that is needed. What do you think of this format: (snip)


I'd use a CSV format for at least the data, and probably also the summary data for comparison. How about:
ShoeNumber, Hand1, Hand2, Hand3, Hand4, ..., HandN
ShoeNumber, Hand1, Hand2, Hand3, Hand4, ..., HandN
...
ShoeNumber, Hand1, Hand2, Hand3, Hand4, ..., HandN
Player, 3689
Banker, 3788
Tie, 791
You can dump that directly into Excel and compute various things from it, including the P/B/T ratios. But the initial structure requires more parsing than CSV.
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October 29th, 2013 at 8:37:38 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

I'd use a CSV format for at least the data, and probably also the summary data for comparison.



I argued with myself about that. If I put a delimiter between each hand it will double the size of the file.
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October 29th, 2013 at 9:25:32 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Wizard I think you should have a specific rule that states you may not use this site to entice or recruit players in any way, for any mathematically unproven system.



Every system is mathematically proven, just not the way the system player wants it to be!
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October 29th, 2013 at 9:29:56 PM permalink
While I am not opposed to intelligent discussion and mathematical soundness, it does get boring after a while.

The system is only unproven until it arrives here for inspection.
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MathExtremist
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October 29th, 2013 at 11:11:54 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I argued with myself about that. If I put a delimiter between each hand it will double the size of the file.


True, but it's not the 1980s anymore. The distinction between 1 vs 2 MB is negligible w.r.t. modern storage limits, and that's far more data than you're likely to generate. These days I almost always favor saving time over space.
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October 30th, 2013 at 1:36:58 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Every system is mathematically proven, just not the way the system player wants it to be!

ok add the word winning. and I was serious about that. Why are people allowed to openly try to recruit people here? I have a feeling a rule concerning that would discourage some people.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 30th, 2013 at 7:07:39 AM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

True, but it's not the 1980s anymore. The distinction between 1 vs 2 MB is negligible w.r.t. modern storage limits, and that's far more data than you're likely to generate. These days I almost always favor saving time over space.



True. However, old habits from the punch card days are hard to break.

Here is another 25,000 shoes. Just 4.06 MB. I checked if it was too big for Excel, but it took only a second or two to load.

For those with a slow Internet connection, here are the first 10 shoes:

1,P,B,P,B,B,P,P,P,P,P,P,B,B,P,B,P,P,P,P,P,B,B,P,B,P,P,P,T,B,T,B,T,B,B,P,P,P,P,B,P,B,P,P,P,P,B,B,P,B,B,P,P,P,P,P,P,B,T,B,P,B,P,T,P,P,P,P,B,P,P,P,B,B,B,B,P,T,P,P,B,B,P,B
2,B,P,B,B,P,B,P,P,P,P,B,T,B,P,B,B,B,P,B,P,P,B,B,P,B,B,P,P,B,P,P,T,P,P,B,P,P,P,P,B,P,B,P,B,P,P,B,B,B,B,P,B,P,B,B,P,P,B,P,B,B,P,B,B,P,B,P,B,P,B,P,B,P,B,P,P,B,B,T,P,B,B
3,B,T,B,P,P,B,P,P,P,P,P,P,B,T,P,P,T,B,B,P,P,P,P,B,P,P,P,P,P,P,B,B,P,B,P,P,T,B,P,P,B,B,B,P,B,P,T,P,B,B,B,P,B,P,P,P,P,B,T,P,P,P,T,B,P,P,B,P,B,P,T,B,P,P,B,B,T,P,B,B,P,B
4,P,B,B,B,P,P,B,B,P,B,B,P,B,P,B,P,P,P,B,B,P,P,B,T,B,P,P,T,B,B,P,B,P,T,B,B,B,B,B,P,P,B,P,B,P,P,B,B,P,T,B,T,P,P,P,P,P,P,T,B,P,P,B,T,P,B,B,B,B,P,B,P,P,P,P,B,P,P,P,P
5,P,P,P,P,P,P,T,P,T,B,B,P,B,B,B,B,B,P,P,B,P,B,B,P,P,P,P,B,T,P,T,B,P,B,P,B,B,T,B,P,B,B,P,P,B,T,P,B,P,B,T,B,B,B,B,P,P,B,P,P,P,P,T,B,P,B,P,P,B,P,B,P,B,T,P,P,B,P,P,B,B,B,P
6,P,P,B,P,T,B,B,P,B,P,P,B,T,P,B,B,B,T,B,B,P,B,B,P,T,B,P,B,P,B,T,B,P,B,B,B,P,B,P,P,P,P,B,B,T,P,B,P,T,B,P,B,P,B,B,P,B,B,P,B,B,P,P,P,P,B,B,B,B,B,P,B,B,B,B,B,P,P,P,B
7,P,B,P,B,T,B,B,B,B,T,P,P,P,P,B,B,T,B,B,P,T,P,B,B,T,B,P,T,P,B,B,B,B,B,P,P,P,B,B,P,P,P,P,B,B,P,B,P,P,T,P,P,B,P,P,B,P,P,B,B,T,B,T,P,P,P,T,B,B,B,P,P,P,B,P,B,B,B,B,P,T,B,T,P,B,P,B,B
8,B,B,P,B,B,B,B,P,P,B,T,P,B,B,P,P,B,P,B,P,P,T,B,P,P,B,B,B,P,P,B,P,B,P,P,B,P,B,P,P,B,B,P,P,T,B,T,P,P,B,B,B,P,T,B,B,P,P,P,P,P,P,B,B,P,P,P,B,T,P,P,B,B,B,B,P,P,B,P,B,B,T
9,P,P,P,B,B,B,B,B,B,P,P,P,T,P,P,B,B,B,B,B,B,P,B,P,P,B,P,B,P,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,T,B,P,B,P,B,P,P,B,B,T,P,B,B,B,P,P,P,B,B,B,T,B,B,B,B,P,B,P,B,B,P,P,B,P,P,B,B,B,P,T,P,B,B,P
10,T,P,P,T,B,P,B,B,P,B,P,P,B,T,P,B,P,T,P,P,P,P,P,P,P,P,B,P,P,P,B,P,B,B,P,T,P,P,B,B,P,B,P,B,B,B,P,P,B,B,B,B,B,P,P,P,B,B,P,B,P,T,T,T,T,P,P,B,B,P,P,B,B,P,P,P,P,B,P,P
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.

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