Baccarat System Challenge

Quote: novicegambler

Quote: Doc

Well, Ludwigfan, your efforts might be futile. In the words of Michael McDonald:

A nice quote by M McDonald. Its rightly said :)

You guys need to pay attention to the bac posts when Fridays come around. (For example, gr8player has never posted on a Friday his whole time here) The bac activity dies down big time on Fridays, no doubt.

Quote: Beethoven9th

You guys need to pay attention to the bac posts when Fridays come around. (For example, gr8player has never posted on a Friday his whole time here) The bac activity dies down big time on Fridays, no doubt.

Probably its true.. I dont doubt your observation skills

Quote: Beethoven9th

You guys need to pay attention to the bac posts when Fridays come around. (For example, gr8player has never posted on a Friday his whole time here) The bac activity dies down big time on Fridays, no doubt.

CORRECTION: gr8player did post on one Friday since joining. (Back on April 19th) Like I said, the bac talk dies down on Fridays. It's not "just my imagination running away with me"... ;)


(That's a Temptations song for all of you youngsters out there)

Quote: Beethoven9th

Quote: Beethoven9th

You guys need to pay attention to the bac posts when Fridays come around. (For example, gr8player has never posted on a Friday his whole time here) The bac activity dies down big time on Fridays, no doubt.

CORRECTION: gr8player did post on one Friday since joining. (Back on April 19th) Like I said, the bac talk dies down on Fridays. It's not "just my imagination running away with me"... ;)

Mhmm.. Just swaying off the topic.. So how long have you been going to Casino's ?

Beethoven9th... Can you give us a summery of all the Baccarat threads, a run down on all the players/characters, who is who,who they claim to be. possibly a time line
I'm all confused now. I was certain someone just said their family was rich with assets worth over 400 million however they don't have a car. I'm all mixed up who is who. For a minute, I actually thought I was Varm Because my cat started rolling around on my money.

Quote: AxelWolf

Beethoven9th... Can you give us a summery of all the Baccarat threads, a run down on all the players/characters, who is who,who they claim to be. possibly a time line
I'm all confused now. I was certain someone just said their family was rich with assets worth over 400 million however they don't have a car. I'm all mixed up who is who. For a minute, I actually thought I was Varm Because my cat started rolling around on my money.

True that :)

I don't know many penniless IBM employees. Who brags about their work when they also can't afford a car or to gamble? Who brags about their fool-proof system when they can't afford a car? Who says they win $1000/trip at the casino and then says they can't afford a car? I'm confused...are we supposed to take the troll(s) seriously, or is it intentional comedy?

Quote: AxelWolf

Beethoven9th... Can you give us a summery of all the Baccarat threads, a run down on all the players/characters, who is who,who they claim to be. possibly a time line
I'm all confused now. I was certain someone just said their family was rich with assets worth over 400 million however they don't have a car. I'm all mixed up who is who. For a minute, I actually thought I was Varm Because my cat started rolling around on my money.

Quote: rdw4potus

I don't know many penniless IBM employees. Who brags about their work when they also can't afford a car or to gamble? Who brags about their fool-proof system when they can't afford a car? Who says they win $1000/trip at the casino and then says they can't afford a car? I'm confused...are we supposed to take the troll(s) seriously, or is it intentional comedy?

AxelWolf nd rdw4potus : I own a car and do drive.

Quote: rdw4potus

I don't know many penniless IBM employees. Who brags about their work when they also can't afford a car or to gamble? Who brags about their fool-proof system when they can't afford a car? Who says they win $1000/trip at the casino and then says they can't afford a car? I'm confused...are we supposed to take the troll(s) seriously, or is it intentional comedy?

I dont know any penniless IBM employees

Quote: novicegambler

I am a poor guy who doesnt have a car, or cat or even ten dollars in his wallet

Quote: novicegambler

I own a car and do drive.

I never wanted to talk anyone about who I am, where I work, who my Dad is, whats my net worth, etc. But I was compelled to

Since the first day:
1. I have never asked for a single cent from anyone for my system.
2. Whatever challenge/bet I ever made in the forum I always offered money if I lose, but if I win I ask for "NOTHING"
3. I just rounded off and said $1000 a trip, but sometimes its $400, $600, $1000 or even $5000 or $6000. It varies depending on how many hrs I play, if I play in High limit room or Mini Baccarat
5. I spoke about a system and I had clearedly mentioned I am not sure of the maths here but it works for me. I never said I am making history here, I only said I never lost and it works for me
6. I have always been open to debate and criticism
7. I didnt say I wont talk about my system. I only said I WONT AS OF NOW, I need some more time

I posted picture at Fallsview to prove I go to I posted my Indian Tax card to prove I am from India. I posted my IBM Id to prove I worked with them. I invited people to come and watch me play too. But people just laughed at it and joked about it. Thats the reason I thought I should joke now too

What else would you like me to do now ? Post my bank balance ? Live stream my daily activities 24x7 ??

Quote: novicegambler

What else would you like me to do now ?

I would like you to explain how someone with the qualifications and experiences that you claim to have could possibly think that he has a betting system that beats the house edge in a casino game.

Quote: rdw4potus

I would like you to explain how someone with the qualifications and experiences that you claim to have could possibly think that he has a betting system that beats the house edge in a casino game.

I would say that I have the qualification but not the experience. Coz like I said I have never been to a casino before I came to Canada.

I will tell you my story, I would like you to make an inference from it

My first visit to a Casino was when I went to see Niagara Falls with couple of my friends. We went to the Casino just to have some fun. While my frnds played slots I walked around the table games, as it was a weekend there was a huge crowd near the craps table people making lot of noice. The only game I played that night was Casino war lost some money trying to chase my loss. Anyways once we were back in the room, I ws curious to reas abt the craps and started reading some basic stuff.

Went back next day to play craps and it was so fun that I got hooked to the game. Went back to Toronto the next and couldnt keep the game of my head. I started researching more and drove to Niagara next weekend and started trying different things betting across with high bets like 5 Units across and then bring it down to 1unit after hitting one point. Sometimes it worked but most of the time it didnt. I started writing down the throws of everyone and started working on it when I was back home. It continued for a month and also during one of the vist I made 6 points on my throw , but guess what I had no fire bets. During one of these trips I saw the Baccarat which I had comletely missed all these days as Baccarat is on the other side of the casino floor and I was usually on the other side where almost 95% of the table games are present.

Anyways I started playing Baccarat and craps both and I used to write down all the throws from Craps and the Shoe from Baccarat. During one of the reading of my observation data I noticed something in the Baccarat games data that I could exploit and use to my advantage. I started increasing my visits to the casino and only observe Baccarat. And notced i was right. Hence I started playing my system since then I never lost playing it. But I have modified my system to better my profit and it got better and better.

So thats my story of Baccarat. And yes its a fact I have never lost any shoe that I have played my baccarat system. I have played both high limit and regular bccarat. ANd also I have verified it with all the ovbservation data for months and months. I have wrote a program to stimulate the shoe data. I had kept it running non stop and once I had it running for almost 8k shoes. I lost very few shoes in the entire run, probably around 1/100 shoes or even less in most of the runs. But even if I lost those few shoes it was a profit over the whole run.

Even when I used the WOO's data to stimulate my system I never lost a single shoe and had a profit of $50,000 over the 1000 shoes

So please tell me what have I done wrong to think my system works. I have never seen it lose in all these months of my observation and the data that I have recorded from the Casino.

There is only a handful of reasons you should have started this thread.

1. to discuss your ongoing challenge with easy.vegas

2. to openly discuss your system to see if anyone could find flaws

3. to distribute your system, even if it is a long term loser there may be some value for recreational players.


You are clearly not doing any of those. If you want to keep your system a secret then you should have just done that. You guy(s) are sooo tilting.

Quote: rdw4potus

I'm confused...are we supposed to take the troll(s) seriously, or is it intentional comedy?

It's a comedy for sure, but it's also 'campy'.

camp: providing amusement by virtue of having artificially mannered or banal or sentimental qualities; "they played up the silliness of their roles for camp effect"; "campy Hollywood musicals of the 1940's"

In other words, we all know what's going on, we all
know who the players really are, and we're all just
going along with it because it's absurd, in an entertaining
way.

Quote: GWAE

There is only a handful of reasons you should have started this thread.

1. to discuss your ongoing challenge with easy.vegas

2. to openly discuss your system to see if anyone could find flaws

3. to distribute your system, even if it is a long term loser there may be some value for recreational players.


You are clearly not doing any of those. If you want to keep your system a secret then you should have just done that. You guy(s) are sooo tilting.

Challenge with easy.vegas ??

Like I said I wanted to put the system to a test. So if you see my first post on the thread. I clearly asked for a place or person or challenge like the one Wiz used to proved to test my system works. i wanted a test/challenge that would give credibility to my system

I WILL DISCLOSE MY SYSTEM, once I leave for India or once I belive I have no fear of heat from the casino

Quote: EvenBob

It's a comedy for sure, but it's also 'campy'.

camp: providing amusement by virtue of having artificially mannered or banal or sentimental qualities; "they played up the silliness of their roles for camp effect"; "campy Hollywood musicals of the 1940's"

In other words, we all know what's going on, we all
know who the players really are, and we're all just
going along with it because it's absurd, in an entertaining
way.

Its super comedy and super campy :)

Okays sorry, by Vegaslick you mean BlueJay.

I didnt know that he had a live casino challenge. Like I said, I am writing to him ASAP once I figure out the details

Quote: novicegambler

So please tell me what have I done wrong to think my system works. I have never seen it lose in all these months of my observation and the data that I have recorded from the Casino.

You have relied on your insufficient observations of an unpredictable stochastic process rather than proper reasoning. Suppose you had correctly predicted the result of 10 coin flips in a row of a quarter you pulled out of your pocket. What would you conclude?
a) You have better-than-average ability to predict the flip of a coin
b) The coin was biased and you could tell
c) You just got lucky

The right answer is c, you just got lucky.

I can, with reasonable confidence, say that the chances of you being ahead with your baccarat system over your observation period is greater than you correctly calling ten coin flips in a row. In other words, you just got lucky. You can hope for continued good luck, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Quote: MathExtremist

You have relied on your insufficient observations of an unpredictable stochastic process rather than proper reasoning. Suppose you had correctly predicted the result of 10 coin flips in a row of a quarter you pulled out of your pocket. What would you conclude?
a) You have better-than-average ability to predict the flip of a coin
b) The coin was biased and you could tell
c) You just got lucky

The right answer is c, you just got lucky.

I can, with reasonable confidence, say that the chances of you being ahead with your baccarat system over your observation period is greater than you correctly calling ten coin flips in a row. In other words, you just got lucky. You can hope for continued good luck, but I wouldn't bet on it.

I understand what you mean to say. But like I said I have spoken to people who have claimed to play Bccarat for years now and based on the info that I received it would work.

Like I said I have also run simulations multiple times, I NEVER had an overall loss in profit during the simulation. Same for Wizards dump of 1000 shoes

I am not sure why a guy who has a family worth 400 million would give a rats ass about heat from a casino.

Quote: novicegambler

I understand what you mean to say. But like I said I have spoken to people who have claimed to play Bccarat for years now and based on the info that I received it would work.

Like I said I have also run simulations multiple times, I NEVER had an overall loss in profit during the simulation. Same for Wizards dump of 1000 shoes

That's fine, but you also have never had a theoretical edge over the casino. Getting lucky isn't that hard when you have a negatively-skewed outcome distribution. What's hard is getting unlucky. The problem is that getting unlucky costs a bundle.

Without giving the details of your system away, answer the following question:

Let's say there are 82 hands in a given baccarat shoe. If I flat bet each hand and guess wrong on every hand, I lose 82 units.
If you go through the same shoe playing your system, and you lose every bet you make, how many units would you lose?

Quote: AxelWolf

I am not sure why a guy who has a family worth 400 million would give a rats ass about heat from a casino.

If his family was worth 400mil he wouldn't. Duh. If he
was a Kareoke singer, he would. Double duh.

Quote: AxelWolf

Beethoven9th... Can you give us a summery of all the Baccarat threads, a run down on all the players/characters, who is who,who they claim to be. possibly a time line

I have my suspicions about the various bac guys involved in this thread. I'd say more, but Mission told us to cease & desist with the speculation since there's no concrete evidence (which is a very reasonable request). But the bac guys have enough rope, so all we have to do is wait. ;)

Quote: AxelWolf

For a minute, I actually thought I was Varm Because my cat started rolling around on my money.

Quote: AxelWolf

I am not sure why a guy who has a family worth 400 million would give a rats ass about heat from a casino.

LOL!!

Quote: novicegambler

I never wanted to talk anyone about who I am, where I work, who my Dad is, whats my net worth, etc. But I was compelled to

Since the first day:
1. I have never asked for a single cent from anyone for my system.
2. Whatever challenge/bet I ever made in the forum I always offered money if I lose, but if I win I ask for "NOTHING"
3. I just rounded off and said $1000 a trip, but sometimes its $400, $600, $1000 or even $5000 or $6000. It varies depending on how many hrs I play, if I play in High limit room or Mini Baccarat
5. I spoke about a system and I had clearedly mentioned I am not sure of the maths here but it works for me. I never said I am making history here, I only said I never lost and it works for me
6. I have always been open to debate and criticism
7. I didnt say I wont talk about my system. I only said I WONT AS OF NOW, I need some more time

This defense sounds familiar.

Quote: MathExtremist

That's fine, but you also have never had a theoretical edge over the casino. Getting lucky isn't that hard when you have a negatively-skewed outcome distribution. What's hard is getting unlucky. The problem is that getting unlucky costs a bundle.

Without giving the details of your system away, answer the following question:

Let's say there are 82 hands in a given baccarat shoe. If I flat bet each hand and guess wrong on every hand, I lose 82 units.
If you go through the same shoe playing your system, and you lose every bet you make, how many units would you lose?

Around 170 - 180 units

Quote: Beethoven9th

This defense sounds familiar.

Sure it does coz I have said it multiple times

Quote: Beethoven9th

I have my suspicions about the various bac guys involved in this thread. I'd say more, but Mission told us to cease & desist with the speculation since there's no concrete evidence (which is a very reasonable request). But the bac guys have enough rope, so all we have to do is wait. ;)


LOL

Well i would still like a summery of all the BAC threads from you or BOB.

Quote: AxelWolf

I am not sure why a guy who has a family worth 400 million would give a rats ass about heat from a casino.

Quote: EvenBob

If his family was worth 400mil he wouldn't. Duh. If he
was a Kareoke singer, he would. Double duh.

The reason I worry about the heat is because "I love going to the Casino" and spend most of the time there when I am not working. Like I was there for straight 36 hours this Tuesday as I had a day off.

We dont have many Casino's here that I could go to if I get heat at Fallsview or Caesar

Quote: novicegambler

Around 170 - 180 units

Okay, good, that confirms you're working with a negative progression (bet more when you're behind) rather than a positive progression (pressing your wins).

Of the 82 hands, how many would you have placed wagers on? All of them, or some smaller number?

Quote: AxelWolf

Well i would still like a summery of all the BAC threads from you or BOB.

I will be waiting for it too :)

Quote: novicegambler

Sure it does coz I have said it multiple times

Lots of really gr8 singers have, too.

Quote: MathExtremist

Okay, good, that confirms you're working with a negative progression (bet more when you're behind) rather than a positive progression (pressing your wins).

Of the 82 hands, how many would you have placed wagers on? All of them, or some smaller number?

I never play a full shoe

Quote: novicegambler

I never play a full shoe

What percentage of a shoe do you normally play?

Sorry, that's not the right question. If you lost every bet you made, how many bets would that be?

Quote: MathExtremist

What percentage of a shoe do you normally play?

Sorry, that's not the right question. If you lost every bet you made, how many bets would that be?

The full shoe if I have lost every bet. But I have never needed to play the full shoe, I quit a shoe when I reach my target for that shoe

NoviceRambler.... can you answer my question concerning your family's 400 million. Are you rich monetarily speaking or just your family? I just want to get this straight now. When are you going back to India? How often are you playing? what are your smallest bets and your largest bets?

How far is Falls View from AC? dose anyone know?

Quote: AxelWolf

NoviceRambler.... can you answer my question concerning your family's 400 million. Are you rich monetarily speaking or just your family? I just want to get this straight now. When are you going back to India? How often are you playing? what are your smallest bets and your largest bets?

How far is Falls View from AC? dose anyone know?

Sure I will.

If I have that $400 million in my bank account or can I have it at my disposal ? NO

Who has that $400 million ? My Dad does and not me. We have multiple businesses in India, US, UK and Canada. The list shows his net worth including the business value.

When I am going back to India ? My project will be done by March end 2014

I usually go everyday after work. So approximately 5-6 days a week.

The smallest bet I have made there is the $5 table games. The max I have bet on a single hand is $15k in Baccarat

Quote: novicegambler

The full shoe of I have lost eevry bet. But I have never needed to play the full shoe, I quit a shoe when I reach my target for that shoe

To confirm, then, you would keep playing all 82 hands, losing somewhere between 170-180 units, if you failed to win a hand. But that's never happened to you because you've always hit your win target for each shoe.

What is your win target?

Quote: AxelWolf

How far is Falls View from AC? dose anyone know?

Google map says 7 nd half hours drive

Quote: MathExtremist

To confirm, then, you would keep playing all 82 hands, losing somewhere between 170-180 units, if you failed to win a hand. But that's never happened to you because you've always hit your win target for each shoe.

What is your win target?

Around 50 - 100 units

*Edited

Quote: novicegambler

Google map says 7 nd half hours drive

I bet you're a gr8 singer, huh?

Quote: novicegambler

EvenBob - Its a small world for me, coz unlike you i can't play in USA ( I had previously mentioned I am on temporary permit in Canada and hence can't travel to USA). I don't claim to take the challenge only in Fallsview, I am open to it in any Casino in Canada.

Certainly you must have a passport. It is hard to believe you can't just come across the border.

It doesn't seem there is anyone who isn't welcome here in the USA, with or without papers.

Even if they give you some grief at the border you can usually just give the guards a twenty and they will let you cross.

Quote: Beethoven9th

I bet you're a gr8 singer, huh?

I like listening to Indian songs, but no where musically blessed. And to answer your question I am not even a bathroom singer

But I definitely wish I was :)

Quote: petroglyph

Certainly you must have a passport. It is hard to believe you can't just come across the border.

It doesn't seem there is anyone who isn't welcome here in the USA, with or without papers.

Even if they give you some grief at the border you can usually just give the guards a twenty and they will let you cross.

I do have a passport. I have even travelled to US previously as my cousin lives in Houston.

I can't travel to US without a visitor Visa

Quote: novicegambler

I do have a passport. I have even travelled to US previously as my cousin lives in Houston.

I can't travel to US without a visitor Visa

So odd, Vince can't come to the US either. Another pesky
coincidence, they never end.

Quote: novicegambler

Sure I will.

If I have that $400 million in my bank account or can I have it at my disposal ? NO

Who has that $400 million ? My Dad does and not me. We have multiple businesses in India, US, UK and Canada. The list shows his net worth including the business value.

When I am going back to India ? My project will be done by March end 2014

I usually go everyday after work. So approximately 5-6 days a week.

The smallest bet I have made there is the $5 table games. The max I have bet on a single hand is $15k in Baccarat

whats your average bet nowadays when you play?

Do u have at least a few million then?

So we have 5 or 6 months before you tell us your system?

Quote: EvenBob

So odd, Vince can't come to the US either. Another pesky
coincidence, they never end.

I thought Vince is a canadian and he is travelling to US

Quote: AxelWolf

whats your average bet nowadays when you play?

Do u have at least a few million then?

So we have 5 or 6 months before you tell us your system?

While playing craps I sometimes bet as low as $5 on passline or even as high as my favorite $1540 across. But while playing Bacarat (without my system) I sometimes my lowest bets are $25 and average is $200 and highest I go if I feel good is $15000

Lol.. Why do you wanna know if I have few millions ? To answer your question I would like to belive I do

I dont know when. It depends. Like I spoke to SOPOO over skype yesterday and he almost convinced me to discuss the system in the forum. But I still have my reservations

Anyone know if any casinos ever banned a player from playing baccarat for winning too much? (Not cheating or using extra info like card sorting)