Baccarat System Challenge
Quote: thecesspitI'd love to visit Niagara some time, anyone want to send me to observe? I am IN Canada at least....
I know nothing about your system, the key question for me to give a rough idea of the probability of success on any shoe is total bank roll possible to stake versus win goal.
Cos, you see... if I am willing to bet $100,000 to win $1,000, I'm likely to make it 98 times out 100 (depending on the exact game and pay offs). This means I can go on very long streaks without losing my initial stake. Or it could happen quickly.
Hitting a small win goal if you have a big enough initial stake 'at risk' is not too hard to manufacture out of a system. Winning 80% of your sessions is easy enough. It's the ratio of winning to losing that counts.
thecesspit - where in Canada are you ?
The bank roll needed is $4000 - $5000 depending on the table. But I have only needed once to go that high usually I use around $2000 - $3000. And like I mentioned most of my session play PROFITS are around $1000.
And I will consider my system a failure if the bankroll is exhausted anytime, I wont add the profit to my bankroll after my each session. So my bankroll would remain steady at $4000 - $5000. If I keep on adding my profit to the bankroll then I believe its not a good test for my system
Quote: novicegamblerBeethoven - Okays so what would it take to prove you it works in a casino ?
You don't even need to go to a casino. Just show your "system" to one of the math guys here, and they will tell you why it doesn't work.
Quote: WizardWe seem to get a lot of newcomers to the forum, expecting somebody to write a simulation of their system for free. Is there a programmer who is interested in such paying work? That way we can say "Contact so-and-so" and hopefully be done with it.
Wizard - If this is intended at me, then I would like to say that I am a software programmer myself and I am not looking for a simulation of the system.
Quote: novicegamblerthecesspit - where in Canada are you ?
West Coast. Like just off the west coast.
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The bank roll needed is $4000 - $5000 depending on the table. But I have only needed once to go that high usually I use around $2000 - $3000. And like I mentioned most of my session play PROFITS are around $1000.
And I will consider my system a failure if the bankroll is exhausted anytime, I wont add the profit to my bankroll after my each session. So my bankroll would remain steady at $4000 - $5000. If I keep on adding my profit to the bankroll then I believe its not a good test for my system
So you are prepared to lose $5,000 to win $1,000. And you take the profit each time.
Interesting. I would expect you ton lose the bankroll about 3 times in 10. Roughly. Would have to crunch quick numbers on Baccarat to give a better estimate.
Quote: EdgeLookerIs Fallsview Casino sponsoring all these baccarat system threads? lol
I wish they where sponsoring
Quote: novicegamblerSo my bankroll would remain steady at $4000 - $5000.
A couple weeks ago, you said that your bankroll is $20,000+*
*Something is rotten in the state of Denmark...
Quote: AxelWolfHe is probably not the one to ask this question. I think there are many factors depending how your betting. If you play for 3 years str8 at the tables minimums then bet 100k on 1 bet and win that certainly wouldn't prove anything. basically, It will come down to how quickly your winning your average units.
My bankroll is $4000 - $5000. I play around max 35 hands in a shoe. My each session is usualy around 5-6 hrs and I do make around $1000 profit.
So based on these, how many years do I need to play to belive the system works.
And my patern of bet is the SAME in evey shoe that I play. I repeat its the same, boring repetitive play every shoe, and I repeat any person who know how to read numbers can play this system, you dont even need to know 1+1 = 2
You would have to talk to someone who is willing Get cards and a shoe, Someone we all trust that has the time, Let just take mission for example. He would set up a live cam at his house, spread decks then shuffle the cards in view of you but, not so close so that you could use a computer to detect card clumping or use shuffle tracking or sequencing, then he would have to take your bets and deal the cards. Perhaps this could all be recorded for later proof if you wanted.Quote: novicegambler
Where would the live cam be set ? I am okay with it if its a real time casino environment and not a compuerised and controlled one. I am ready to offer the $500 failure prize
If this fails, I think that the non disclosure contract should state, that the system can be exposed as BUNK
FYI, you would have to send the $500 first.
Quote: Beethoven9thA couple weeks ago, you said that your bankroll is $20,000+*
*Something is rotten in the state of Denmark...
Beethoven9th - Yes sir you are right. I am probably just repeating the same information again and again. Anyways.
1. I dont play my system everyday, I play it when I feel like playing.
2. I usually play at the Casino for fun and hence play Craps, diff variations of Blackjack, and Baccarat at the High Limits room. I keep a bankroll of $20k - $30k to take my chances and betting big while I am playing Baccarat/Craps at the High Limits room. I have bet $10k on single hands at Baccarat most of the days, I win some and I lose some.
I'm sure someone would be willing to take the action on what ever bets you would normally be making.Quote: novicegamblerMy bankroll is $4000 - $5000. I play around max 35 hands in a shoe. My each session is usualy around 5-6 hrs and I do make around $1000 profit.
So based on these, how many years do I need to play to belive the system works.
And my patern of bet is the SAME in evey shoe that I play. I repeat its the same, boring repetitive play every shoe, and I repeat any person who know how to read numbers can play this system, you dont even need to know 1+1 = 2
Quote: Beethoven9thYou don't even need to go to a casino. Just show your "system" to one of the math guys here, and they will tell you why it doesn't work.
I have run stimulation and it does lose
Quote: novicegamblerI have run stimulation and it does lose
Over how many interations? You can then get a good idea over 5,000 shoes what the spread of results are, and see your variance with the system, and get an idea if your current results are highly unlikely.
It is possible that your simulation is faulty. Or it's possible that there's an assumption made that doesn't hold true in the casino (some secret casino sauce).
Depending on the language, I'd be happy to review the simulation under an NDA.
Quote: novicegamblerI have run stimulation and it does lose
Then what are we even discussing here?????? lol
this may be a stupid analogy,Quote: novicegamblerI have run stimulation and it does lose
Let say I put some money on the sidewalk on the other side of a busy street. Then I asked you and a drug addict to put a blind fold on. Then I charged a small fee to have the opportunity to dash Across the street and grab the money over and over, Would you do it?
You probably think that would be dumb, because you know eventually you may get hit. The druggie might go for it and succeed, over and and over and never get hit by a car. You and I know, he will eventually get hit by a car, even tho by now, he thinks he has a system.
A computer told you your going to get hit by a car, you just wont listen.
Quote: novicegamblerI have run stimulation and it does lose
So, your system works in real casinos, but fails a computer simulation. Do I have that right?
Quote: WizardSo, your system works in real casinos, but fails a computer simulation. Do I have that right?
Yes, the simulation doesn't use the 'right math'. Wink wink..
Quote: EvenBobYes, the simulation doesn't use the 'right math'. Wink wink..
It's probably using a Psuedo Random Number generator, which is different from real random in a casino, eh, wink, wink, say no more, nod is as good a wink to a blind man, eh, eh, I bet she does... knowwhatimean?
Actually knowing the answer to 1+1 is a handicap in this system, I am sure.
Quote: thecesspitIt's probably using a Psuedo Random Number generator
Isn't that an oxymoron?
Quote: BuzzardActually knowing the answer to 1+1 is a handicap in this system, I am sure.
LOL
Quote: Buzzard"
Actually knowing the answer to 1+1 is a handicap in this system, I am sure.
Not qualifying for 'Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader'
is an asset to systems like these. Being a 4th grade
dropout helps with the math tremendously.
That was very funny and clever, best thing I have heard in months.Quote: Buzzard" you dont even need to know 1+1 = 2"
Actually knowing the answer to 1+1 is a handicap in this system, I am sure.
The sad part is, system guys probably don't get it.Quote: AxelWolfThat was very funny and clever best thing I have heard in months.
Quote: AxelWolfThat was very funny and clever best thing I have heard in months.
You Need to get out more LOL
Quote: AxelWolfThat was very funny and clever best thing I have heard in months.
It's funny because it's true. These guys are always
showing up on gambling sites with 'new math' that
beats the 'old math', yet not one of them has any
grasp of the old math at all. And they always get
followers, because they want to believe so badly that
there's a secret way to outsmart the casinos and
some guy who obviously didn't make it to Jr High
has accidentally stumbled onto it.
Trust me I get out quite often, I just don't sleep. I think it was very clever... because it sums up every system these guys have and fit perfectly into the conversation, while adding a personal dig at the same time.Quote: BuzzardYou Need to get out more LOL
Quote: EvenBobIt's funny because it's true. These guys are always
showing up on gambling sites with 'new math' that
beats the 'old math', yet not one of them has any
grasp of the old math at all. And they always get
followers, because they want to believe so badly that
there's a secret way to outsmart the casinos and
some guy who obviously didn't make it to Jr High
has accidentally stumbled onto it.
I am qualified enough to understand what you are saying, IBM didnt hire me as a software developer to mop their floor.
1. Have I ever claimed its a math ?
2. Have I asked anyone for a single cent ? Infact I offered a bet where I lose money and if I win I dont take money
3. I have tried everything that is humanely possible to clear your suspicions and everything but nothing is good enough.
4. If the forum is only for the higly trained mathematicians then change the forum to a maths forum. I thought it was a forum to interact and share knowledge.
5. AxelWolf - Please do read what you write. Stick to what you say. On one thread you say "In BACCARAT, YES absolutely." you will share the details and on other thread you say "Only A fool would do that.". Do you seriously know what you are talking or is it just some random talk with no simple answer for a simple question.
6. I have never claimed that I am genious or anything, I have always adressed most of you (beethoven, evenbob, axelwolf, wizard, mission,etc) as stalwarts but what I get in return is alias of varmenti, system guys, fake profile, etc.
All I want is a chance to prove that this workd. I am currently evaluating my system against WOO's baccarat results of 1000 shoes. I will post the results here too.
If you guys feel I am fake and I dont belong to the forum say that directly - I would prefer that rather being made to feel unwanted and a nusiance
Quote: novicegamblerI am qualified enough to understand what you are saying, IBM didnt hire me
Odd, Varmenti claims he worked for Microsoft. And
his math skills were non existent. Now here's an
IBM person. Do these companies give tests before
they hire people?
And yet, you expected ignorance to be exalted here ? Now that does not compute !
What kind of reaction do you expect when you claim to have such a brilliant winning system, yet you refuse to tell anyone what exactly the system entails?
It's like those guys who claim to be God's gift to women. Trust me, if ANY guy here said that he dates a different Playboy Playmate every week, yet he refused to provide any evidence (e.g., photos), I can guarantee you that he would get mocked mercilessly.
Quote: EvenBobOdd, Varmenti claims he worked for Microsoft...Now here's an
IBM person
LOL...that one slipped right by me. Just watch, the next bac guy will work for Apple. :)
Quote: Beethoven9thnovicegambler,
What kind of reaction do you expect when you claim to have such a brilliant winning system, yet you refuse to tell anyone what exactly the system entails?
It's like those guys who claim to be God's gift to women. Trust me, if ANY guy here said that he dates a different Playboy Playmate every week, yet he refused to provide any evidence (e.g., photos), I can guarantee you that he would get mocked mercilessly.
Correct me if I am wrong. Axelwolf just posted - "If I knew I had a Table game betting system that was easy, that could not fail, I would Never Ever NEVER, NEVER, NEVER talk about it ". So its good and applauded if someone says he will never even talk about the system but you are ready to mock someone who is talking about the system and just said he doesnt wnat to disclose the details AS OF NOW.
Quote: EvenBobOdd, Varmenti claims he worked for Microsoft. And
his math skills were non existent. Now here's an
IBM person. Do these companies give tests before
they hire people?
I am sorry if I sound rude and highly ignorant with this question - Whats your qualification and where did you work ? Hope you worked somewhere where they tested you before hiring. I am eagerly waiting for your answer
Quote: novicegamblerCorrect me if I am wrong. Axelwolf just posted - "If I knew I had a Table game betting system that was easy, that could not fail, I would Never Ever NEVER, NEVER, NEVER talk about it ". So its good and applauded if someone says he will never even talk about the system but you are ready to mock someone who is talking about the system and just said he doesnt wnat to disclose the details AS OF NOW.
You're missing the first half of the equation. If AxelWolf did have such a system, he would be out using it to make a ton of money, NOT posting on a public forum claiming to have a winning system. Big difference.
Quote: Beethoven9thYou're missing the first half of the equation. If AxelWolf did have such a system, he would be out using it to make a ton of money, NOT posting on a public forum claiming to have a winning system. Big difference.
You are also missing the full picture. I dont need the money Huge Difference
Novicegambler (ng) says he 'always' can win $1000 with a $5000 bankroll using a baccarat system he does not want to share with the forum just yet.
He is asking how many succesful trials of this system would make forum members believe he has a system that can actually work in a real casino.
The answer to the second question is that there are no numbers of successful trials that will convince any forum member that a system has been developed that can 'beat' baccarat. That being said, I live not too far from Fallsview, and may be able to make it up there next week, possibly Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday. My weak math skills say you should be able to win $1000 with a $5000 bankroll around 78% of the time, so you would succeed 10 times in a row around 8% of the time. I am willing to bet that you cannot win 10 times in a row. (How long does it take you on average to win your $1000?) So I can multiply that times 10 to get an idea on how much time I may need to commit....
As I am not 100% sure you really are sincere, and if you are, the $1000 I am asking you to mail to either the Wiz or me is just a simple days work at the casino, if you do I will watch you play, and honestly report to the forum your results. I must warn you, even if you succeed, which you will around 1 in 12 times, it will not convince any forum members you have a 'winning system', but rather you were lucky over those ten trials.
So if you are willing to put up the money, I am willing to watch....
What say you?
Check the list my Dad's name is in there. You are more than welcome to take a guess who I am (eventhough I didnt disclose my identity)
Who cares...that has nothing to do with your criticism of AxelWolf. You act like you're being treated differently than anyone else, and I'm just telling you that you're not. ANYBODY who comes here with a 'winning' baccarat system but refuses to provide any details whatsoever will be viewed with skepticism.Quote: novicegamblerYou are also missing the full picture. I dont need the money Huge Difference
*EDIT: Didn't gr8varmenti also claim that he wins $1,000 per day???? (Not that this means anything, of course...)
LOLQuote: BuzzardYou guys keep forgetting his Dad is worth 400 Million Rupees, that is over $6 Canadian, EH.
Quote: novicegamblerExactly it just shows that you dont know $ means Dollars and not ruppes
Check the list my Dad's name is in there. You are more than welcome to take a guess who I am (eventhough I didnt disclose my identity)
My half-brothers name is on this list. His name ryhmes with Gill Bates. That's all I am gonna say.
http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/
I'm not going to disclose my name, but you are more than welcome to take a guess at who I am.
Quote: EvenBobOdd, Varmenti claims he worked for Microsoft. And
his math skills were non existent. Now here's an
IBM person. Do these companies give tests before
they hire people?
Please do check this picture and see if it says IBM or not
Have you never heard of a baccarat co-incidence ? Happens all the time, over and over and over.
Quote: BuzzardHave you never heard of a baccarat co-incidence ? Happens all the time, over and over and over.
This place is filled with "coincidences". ;)
