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October 11th, 2013 at 1:53:10 PM permalink
They have a 1-1000 e-bac machine at Caesar's Palace. It's all RNG though, not sure what Woodbine has.
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October 12th, 2013 at 2:16:25 AM permalink
Gee, look at which member(s) have been quiet today...
Fighting BS one post at a time!
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October 12th, 2013 at 2:45:52 AM permalink
Quote: soxfan

Curious, what are the min and max allowed bets at those bac machines, hey hey?



Min $5.00 but never looked at max bet.
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October 12th, 2013 at 2:49:15 AM permalink
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Gee, look at which member(s) have been quiet today...



12 1/2 hrs of Gambling Just finished at 5:35am est from yesterday started 4:45pm est. wow what a day. I'm gonna rest now.
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October 12th, 2013 at 2:52:50 AM permalink
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Quote: varmenti

Quote: rob45

Session 12
OOOXXXOOXXOXXXOTOOXT

Session 12 result: +$105.00
Running total: -$470.00

Session 12 notes: This was a hand-dealt session.





Session 13
OTOOXXOOOOTXXXOXOXXO

Session 13 result: +3.75
Running total: -$466.25





Session 14
OXXXOXOOTOXXOXOTXOOT

Session 14 result: -$91.25
Running total: -$557.50



Rob just looking at these sessions looks like you're either running a bad luck of deals or you're not playing with the rules of Baccarat.
these are all Bad.

OR you are just getting real lucky



Well if you want to call it luck, I just played 12 1/2hrs of Baccarat with my wife on the same 1000.00 bank roll and left the casino just a few minutes ago with a very nice profit for the day. Yup lots of luck.
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October 12th, 2013 at 3:06:38 AM permalink
Quote: wudged

They have a 1-1000 e-bac machine at Caesar's Palace. It's all RNG though, not sure what Woodbine has.



Yeah, they are all RNG at Woodbine too, just the way I researched the game, they have fair play and have it setup to emulate the same Runs as real tables. I want to try my BAC5 Partner Method but I'm thinking it will have the same Detection in the program. (Detect Patterns and Betting styles and adjust accordingly after 3 hands and wipe your Bankroll.
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October 12th, 2013 at 3:20:20 AM permalink
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Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: varmenti

Quote: rob45

Session 12
OOOXXXOOXXOXXXOTOOXT

Session 12 result: +$105.00
Running total: -$470.00

Session 12 notes: This was a hand-dealt session.





Session 13
OTOOXXOOOOTXXXOXOXXO

Session 13 result: +3.75
Running total: -$466.25





Session 14
OXXXOXOOTOXXOXOTXOOT

Session 14 result: -$91.25
Running total: -$557.50



Rob just looking at these sessions looks like you're either running a bad luck of deals or you're not playing with the rules of Baccarat.
these are all Bad.

OR you are just getting real lucky



Well if you want to call it luck, I just played 12 1/2hrs of Baccarat with my wife on the same 1000.00 bank roll and left the casino just a few minutes ago with a very nice profit for the day. Yup lots of luck.

You have a system you can't explain how or why it works. Many math and gambling experts have proven you don't have an edge on baccarat under normal circumstances and no bet selections can overcame that simple fact. That's called luck i.e. positive variance. Like you said, "Ride the wave" because sooner or later it will come crashing down....It always dose.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 12th, 2013 at 4:08:02 AM permalink
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Well if you want to call it luck, I just played 12 1/2hrs of Baccarat with my wife on the same 1000.00 bank roll and left the casino just a few minutes ago with a very nice profit for the day. Yup lots of luck.

You have a system you can't explain how or why it works. Many math and gambling experts have proven you don't have an edge on baccarat under normal circumstances and no bet selections can overcame that simple fact. That's called luck i.e. positive variance. Like you said, "Ride the wave" because sooner or later it will come crashing down....It always dose.



12 1/2 hours, luck, Okies, hope to repeat this luck every weekend and post same time next year. would you call it luck after 1 year?
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October 12th, 2013 at 4:37:03 AM permalink
Quote: varmenti

You have a system you can't explain how or why it works. Many math and gambling experts have proven you don't have an edge on baccarat under normal circumstances and no bet selections can overcame that simple fact. That's called luck i.e. positive variance. Like you said, "Ride the wave" because sooner or later it will come crashing down....It always dose.

12 1/2 hours, luck, Okies, hope to repeat this luck every weekend and post same time next year. would you call it luck after 1 year?




I don't think saying one years time can be used to gauge anything we, would have to know how many hands your playing. I'm not a mathematician so i dont know whats in the realm of possibilities concerning luck. I have played a few things Where I knew dam well I had an edge, but I could not explain the math.

Lets just say you were playing a lot of hands, 6 hours a day every day for a year, and making $200 a day with a 1k max bank per day, I would be impressed. I would start to wonder, if perhaps the cards were not being shuffled properly, and in fact you are noticing trends due to a non random shuffle.

I don't understand why, if you believe so strongly you can beat the casinos with your system, simply "take the Challenge"

I can come up with a million reasons to take the challenge, yet you have not given one legitimate reason not to.

You can't just keep making statements that you win all the time at baccarat with out proving such claims. Anyone can just take a few pic's of them playing in the casino foundling money and chips then show a few charts and score cards.(Talk is meaningless) For all we know your rich uncle died, and left you a few million dollars, now you just gamble all day.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 12th, 2013 at 5:39:54 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf



You can't just keep making statements that you win all the time at baccarat with out proving such claims. Anyone can just take a few pic's of them playing in the casino foundling money and chips then show a few charts and score cards.(Talk is meaningless) For all we know your rich uncle died, and left you a few million dollars, now you just gamble all day.



Agree with Axel.

Credibility. If the Wiz posts that he won 15 BJ hands in a row, we would all just congratulate him on the good variance (luck) he experienced.
No one would think for a second it did not occur.

You have not built up any credibility here. The likelihood of your stories of constant, continual wins, playing a system that guarantees many losses (when you bet equal amounts on both P and B), against a game with a defined -EV, is well INcredible. Lets not even count the additional $75 you spend on wine and the tip. Incredible is not the correct term. NOT credible is the correct term.

There is ZERO value in showing pictures of money. You yourself admit to bringing $1000 to the casino and then show us pictures of around that much!
There is ZERO value in showing a card which would take less than one minute to make which shows how you won.

The above being said, I am still looking forward to meeting you, and watching you perform. I will watch with an unbiased eye. And, I will be rooting for you to succeed.
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October 12th, 2013 at 6:21:46 AM permalink
Vince-- do you ever play in the US, I'm up in NY, MI, OH, and PA sometimes and I would love to watch you play. I am skeptical but could report back here to add a little credence to your claims. Let me know.
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October 12th, 2013 at 7:02:51 AM permalink
Add a little cream to your coffee perhaps but not credence to your claims...

I just checked into this lengthy thread and landed at the bottom of the page seven pages back:

"I am bowing out of this thread. You don't listen to reason and you have too many inconsistencies. I don't for a second believe a casino allows you to play multiple tables with other people playing. You would slow the game down and the casino wouldn't allow it. Maybe you do but either way I am done with this thread."

I'd like to say its been an interesting discussion, but really all it has been is a long discussion.
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October 12th, 2013 at 8:22:23 AM permalink
Quote: drussell0208

Vince-- do you ever play in the US, I'm up in NY, MI, OH, and PA sometimes and I would love to watch you play. I am skeptical but could report back here to add a little credence to your claims. Let me know.



After making so much money at the Casino and playing for hours on the same bank roll, It's getting hard now-a-days to share something FREE. Now I know why Gamblers sell there methods for Hundreds of dollars. if it's free many will bust it up for it's worth.
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October 12th, 2013 at 8:25:44 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Add a little cream to your coffee perhaps but not credence to your claims...

I just checked into this lengthy thread and landed at the bottom of the page seven pages back:

"I am bowing out of this thread. You don't listen to reason and you have too many inconsistencies. I don't for a second believe a casino allows you to play multiple tables with other people playing. You would slow the game down and the casino wouldn't allow it. Maybe you do but either way I am done with this thread."

I'd like to say its been an interesting discussion, but really all it has been is a long discussion.



Fleastiff, you need to open your mind and keep reading the posts, there are a couple of dealers that are backing me up on this, "Trust me, Come to Niagara Falls and I'll prove it again and again and again.

Don't be giving up and missing out on $$$$$$
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October 12th, 2013 at 8:29:49 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Agree with Axel.

Credibility. If the Wiz posts that he won 15 BJ hands in a row, we would all just congratulate him on the good variance (luck) he experienced.
No one would think for a second it did not occur.

You have not built up any credibility here. The likelihood of your stories of constant, continual wins, playing a system that guarantees many losses (when you bet equal amounts on both P and B), against a game with a defined -EV, is well INcredible. Lets not even count the additional $75 you spend on wine and the tip. Incredible is not the correct term. NOT credible is the correct term.

There is ZERO value in showing pictures of money. You yourself admit to bringing $1000 to the casino and then show us pictures of around that much!
There is ZERO value in showing a card which would take less than one minute to make which shows how you won.

The above being said, I am still looking forward to meeting you, and watching you perform. I will watch with an unbiased eye. And, I will be rooting for you to succeed.



I don't care. I make money and that's the bottom line. if you play you will understand and if you just want to be logical about it and "In Theory" don't waste your time.
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October 12th, 2013 at 8:31:53 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Agree with Axel.

Credibility. If the Wiz posts that he won 15 BJ hands in a row, we would all just congratulate him on the good variance (luck) he experienced.
No one would think for a second it did not occur.

You have not built up any credibility here. The likelihood of your stories of constant, continual wins, playing a system that guarantees many losses (when you bet equal amounts on both P and B), against a game with a defined -EV, is well INcredible. Lets not even count the additional $75 you spend on wine and the tip. Incredible is not the correct term. NOT credible is the correct term.

There is ZERO value in showing pictures of money. You yourself admit to bringing $1000 to the casino and then show us pictures of around that much!
There is ZERO value in showing a card which would take less than one minute to make which shows how you won.

The above being said, I am still looking forward to meeting you, and watching you perform. I will watch with an unbiased eye. And, I will be rooting for you to succeed.



15 hand of BJ in a row is Incredible, because the most I ever see is 6 hand won in a row.
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October 12th, 2013 at 8:34:22 AM permalink
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I don't think saying one years time can be used to gauge anything we, would have to know how many hands your playing. I'm not a mathematician so i dont know whats in the realm of possibilities concerning luck. I have played a few things Where I knew dam well I had an edge, but I could not explain the math.

Lets just say you were playing a lot of hands, 6 hours a day every day for a year, and making $200 a day with a 1k max bank per day, I would be impressed. I would start to wonder, if perhaps the cards were not being shuffled properly, and in fact you are noticing trends due to a non random shuffle.

I don't understand why, if you believe so strongly you can beat the casinos with your system, simply "take the Challenge"

I can come up with a million reasons to take the challenge, yet you have not given one legitimate reason not to.

You can't just keep making statements that you win all the time at baccarat with out proving such claims. Anyone can just take a few pic's of them playing in the casino foundling money and chips then show a few charts and score cards.(Talk is meaningless) For all we know your rich uncle died, and left you a few million dollars, now you just gamble all day.



How about just putting my methods aside.

I'm going over 60 days "Lucky" in a row an counting. I'm hoping to be 365 days "Lucky" Just call me lucky.
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October 12th, 2013 at 8:41:11 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Agree with Axel.

Credibility. If the Wiz posts that he won 15 BJ hands in a row, we would all just congratulate him on the good variance (luck) he experienced.
No one would think for a second it did not occur.

You have not built up any credibility here. The likelihood of your stories of constant, continual wins, playing a system that guarantees many losses (when you bet equal amounts on both P and B), against a game with a defined -EV, is well INcredible. Lets not even count the additional $75 you spend on wine and the tip. Incredible is not the correct term. NOT credible is the correct term.

There is ZERO value in showing pictures of money. You yourself admit to bringing $1000 to the casino and then show us pictures of around that much!
There is ZERO value in showing a card which would take less than one minute to make which shows how you won.

The above being said, I am still looking forward to meeting you, and watching you perform. I will watch with an unbiased eye. And, I will be rooting for you to succeed.



First off you need to play Baccarat to understand my methods. What the heck is "ZERO VALUE" ? ? ?
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October 12th, 2013 at 9:13:34 AM permalink
Session 15
OXOOXXXTXXTXXXO

Session 15 result: +$168.75
Running total: -$388.75





Session 16
OXXOXOXXXXXXXO

Session 16 result: +$70.00
Running total: -$318.75

Session 16 notes: This was a hand-dealt session.





Session 17
XOXXXOXOOOXOOOXOOXTO

Session 17 result: -$72.50
Running total: -$391.25

Session 17 notes: This was a hand-dealt session.
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October 12th, 2013 at 9:15:44 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

You have not built up any credibility here. The likelihood of your stories of constant, continual wins, playing a system that guarantees many losses (when you bet equal amounts on both P and B), against a game with a defined -EV, is well INcredible. Lets not even count the additional $75 you spend on wine and the tip. Incredible is not the correct term. NOT credible is the correct term.


And gr8varmenti looks even worse after saying that he'll pay out $1,000 if Mission eats 100 McNuggets, and that he will also send his money to the Wizard to hold.....yet he has disappeared from that thread completely!
Fighting BS one post at a time!
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October 12th, 2013 at 9:17:40 AM permalink
Quote: varmenti

there are casinos offering 0 commission Baccarat, but if Banker comes up 7, it loses, or something like that.



Hello, Varmenti. I am very happy to read that your successes are continuing unfettered.....great job, my friend.

You're referencing the "Dragon Baccarat" game, where there is no commission charged on any hands, but any 3-card Banker win that totals a 7 becomes a "push" rather than a winning Banker bet.

On the plus side, the house edge is actually a bit lower in the Dragon commission-less game, and it certainly does move the game along at a quicker pace. But I still prefer the standard Bac game.

I just got back from the Borgata in AC, where the Dragon game is offered on their mini-bac tables. I am not a fan of this version of Bac, and so I'll usually play in the "high-limit" area, where the standard Bac is the norm. I just can't get around not being paid on a winning Banker bet, or any winning bet, for that matter, and the people screaming for the "Dragon card" renders everyone at the table completely crazy. I guess that 40 to 1 miracle will do that to some people. Not for me.

Anyhow, I did well on Thursday night, hitting most of my parlays, and I won 9 1/4 units after all comm and tips. Relatively easy session.

Yesterday, not nearly as good. I lost. I got up from the table a 6-unit loser. I just couldn't hit my parlays, and that never bodes well for me. Look, spit happens. When you play my sort of game, and you're looking to maximize profits on certain trends, the downside is the failure on those increased bets. Simple as that. So you learn to accept your fate and move on. Next session will be better. That, and an appropriate "bet size adjustment", and all will be right within my Bac world yet again.

(Sidenote: Notice I still won a few units for the trip. Rule #1: Never turn a winning trip into a loser. I could've trod along yesterday afternoon, in an attempt to get to even for the session. But that would've put in jeopardy my entire win from the night before. Ain't never gonna happen, not on my watch. Which brings me to Rule #2: Protect the downside, and then the upside will take care of itself. Crappy session yesterday, but still drove home as a winner.)

I wish you all the very best of it.
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October 12th, 2013 at 10:29:20 AM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

And gr8varmenti looks even worse after saying that he'll pay out $1,000 if Mission eats 100 McNuggets, and that he will also send his money to the Wizard to hold.....yet he has disappeared from that thread completely!



gr8beethoven, you remind me of the guy in high school "The Class Clown" the cool guy that makes everyone laugh and distracts the rest of the class from learning important information that may alter their whole lives. Listening is better than mocking.

Let's look into the future gr8beethoven, (do you see it?)
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October 12th, 2013 at 10:33:05 AM permalink
Quote: varmenti

Let's look into the future gr8beethoven, (do you see it?)


Yeah, I see you stiffing 10 people on those bets.
Fighting BS one post at a time!
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October 12th, 2013 at 10:54:29 AM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Yeah, I see you stiffing 10 people on those bets.



Well, Looks like you just have to wait till Dec. 21st to find out now won't you.

Keep in touch with Mission to find out how his Pre-Training sessions are coming along. I wish him well, but if I can keep him from doing it, I would.

I'd gladly make a side bet that I CAN NOT EAT MORE THAN 20 MCNUGGETS, because after 12 I don't think i'd like to eat anymore anytime soon. That's like chewing 3 day old bubble gum, the whole pack at once,, they bounce off the wall after 10 minutes, so if you like to eat Crusty Gummy rubbery Food. Go for it!!!
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October 12th, 2013 at 11:10:25 AM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Yeah, I see you stiffing 10 people on those bets.



I went back through the thread. Here are the 10 that responded 1st to Varmenti's generous offer of 1k if Mission146 accomplishes his difficult feat.

Beethoven9th
Beachbumbabs
Dr rich
Wizard
cesspit
odiousgambit
GWA
Scot
Midwest AP
Miplet

Unfortunately Mission146 was 11'th member and due to him being a huge part of this, should get a piece of the 1k offer.
I should have chimed but I figured I was going to be a distant observer and just read the thread for fun. But when I found out when and where, apparently I can videotape this event for Varmenti so I'm a late number 12.

Hey Varmenti, how about upping this to 1200.00 so we can include Mission, the main player in all this, and me, the videotaper?
But if you want to keep it to the 1st 10 that responded, that's cool. Just thought with all those bac winnings, whats an extra couple of hundred.
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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October 12th, 2013 at 11:25:23 AM permalink
Not sure if you missed anybody else but I responded here

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/casual-corner/15346-mission-nuggets/21/#post276456
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October 12th, 2013 at 11:28:47 AM permalink
Varmenti,

I'll be in Buffalo in the middle of November. Mind if I come by and watch a session?

Thanks!

DB
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October 12th, 2013 at 11:31:38 AM permalink
Quote: dbuikema

Varmenti,

I'll be in Buffalo in the middle of November. Mind if I come by and watch a session?

Thanks!

DB



The tournament is on November 24th, My wife and I are heading to Vegas shortly after for a couple months.
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October 12th, 2013 at 11:33:14 AM permalink
Quote: varmenti

The tournament is on November 24th, My wife and I are heading to Vegas shortly after for a couple months.



Okay - I'll be there the weekend of the 17th.
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October 12th, 2013 at 11:44:15 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

I went back through the thread. Here are the 10 that responded 1st to Varmenti's generous offer of 1k if Mission146 accomplishes his difficult feat.

Beethoven9th
Beachbumbabs
Dr rich
Wizard
cesspit
odiousgambit
GWA
Scot
Midwest AP
Miplet

Unfortunately Mission146 was 11'th member and due to him being a huge part of this, should get a piece of the 1k offer.


That's quite all right, we will add you & Mission to the list as well. That way, you guys can also receive the honor of being stiffed by gr8varmenti. lol!
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October 12th, 2013 at 11:49:04 AM permalink
Quote: wudged

Not sure if you missed anybody else but I responded here

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/casual-corner/15346-mission-nuggets/21/#post276456



You are right, in fact you should be number 4 on the list, I will be amending the list.
Here is the updated list of the 1st 10 that responded to Varmenti's generous offer
Beethoven9th
Beachbumbabs
Dr rich
wudged
Wizard
cesspit
odiousgambit
GWA
Scot
Midwest AP

I miss anybody? Speak up. Hey Varmenti, does my list match yours? Unfortunately miplet bumped to 11 which puts mission, the main man 12 and me videotaping 13th. No biggie, I get to attend and videotape and have fun, that's plenty for me.
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October 12th, 2013 at 11:49:28 AM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

And gr8varmenti looks even worse after saying that he'll pay out $1,000 if Mission eats 100 McNuggets, and that he will also send his money to the Wizard to hold.....yet he has disappeared from that thread completely!



What's the deal on that money being sent to the Wiz?
Every time it comes up Varmenti makes a wise guy
comment about it. Is he weaseling out of the bet?

Here's the bet:

"HOWEVER: I am willing to Put up a full days Baccarat winnings of $1000.00 Divided up between 10 Members showing interest in this challenge. That's right. 10 Members will receive $100.00 each and risk nothing if MISSION completes the challenge."
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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October 12th, 2013 at 12:01:47 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Quote: Beethoven9th

Yeah, I see you stiffing 10 people on those bets.



I went back through the thread. Here are the 10 that responded 1st to Varmenti's generous offer of 1k if Mission146 accomplishes his difficult feat.

Beethoven9th
Beachbumbabs
Dr rich
Wizard
cesspit
odiousgambit
GWA
Scot
Midwest AP
Miplet

Unfortunately Mission146 was 11'th member and due to him being a huge part of this, should get a piece of the 1k offer.
I should have chimed but I figured I was going to be a distant observer and just read the thread for fun. But when I found out when and where, apparently I can videotape this event for Varmenti so I'm a late number 12.

Hey Varmenti, how about upping this to 1200.00 so we can include Mission, the main player in all this, and me, the videotaper?
But if you want to keep it to the 1st 10 that responded, that's cool. Just thought with all those bac winnings, whats an extra couple of hundred.



terapined,

Please allow me to make a correction on the list above. I was in on the YES with varmenti as the NO when he was offering a bet. I was turned down when he withdrew his bet ("Screw that", etc.). He then made the offer to ten members, on which I have specifically stated I would not participate. So I should not be on that list. Mission146 can then be the 10th man, and you the 11th.

EDIT: I guess wudged is in there as well, so the numbering changes again. Should be interesting.
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October 12th, 2013 at 12:13:39 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Quote: Beethoven9th

And gr8varmenti looks even worse after saying that he'll pay out $1,000 if Mission eats 100 McNuggets, and that he will also send his money to the Wizard to hold.....yet he has disappeared from that thread completely!



What's the deal on that money being sent to the Wiz?
Every time it comes up Varmenti makes a wise guy
comment about it. Is he weaseling out of the bet?

Here's the bet:

"HOWEVER: I am willing to Put up a full days Baccarat winnings of $1000.00 Divided up between 10 Members showing interest in this challenge. That's right. 10 Members will receive $100.00 each and risk nothing if MISSION completes the challenge."



That is not a bet, this is simply a no risk offer to "TEN Members SHOWING THE MOST INTEREST" in this Challenge. Has nothing to do with first come first serve.

There are a few thousand Total members interested in the Gaming world and possibly a few hundred interested in this challenge. what I look for and will be awarding the Prize money to is the TEN Most Interested. Keep in mind I read Every Post in "Relation to the thread" and will be monitoring those that show the most interest in this Challenge and not just about Rambling to score top poster.
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October 12th, 2013 at 12:19:40 PM permalink
Quote: varmenti



That is not a bet, this is simply a no risk offer to "TEN Members SHOWING THE MOST INTEREST" in this Challenge. .



No no no no no! That's NOT what you said! This is what
you said:

"I am willing to Put up a full days Baccarat winnings of $1000.00 Divided up between 10 Members showing interest in this challenge."

You can't change it as you go along to showing
the MOST interest. That's what a weasel would
do.
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October 12th, 2013 at 1:49:00 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

No no no no no! That's NOT what you said! This is what
you said:

"I am willing to Put up a full days Baccarat winnings of $1000.00 Divided up between 10 Members showing interest in this challenge."

You can't change it as you go along to showing
the MOST interest. That's what a weasel would
do.



I had to define the "Term" for better understanding that benefits the forum and not cause friction between members.
Two months away is long way to go. and Rules can get changed at any time, especially if there is no Risk on your behalf.
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October 12th, 2013 at 1:56:56 PM permalink
Quote: varmenti

Fleastiff, you need to open your mind and keep reading the posts, there are a couple of dealers that are backing me up on this, "Trust me, Come to Niagara Falls and I'll prove it again and again and again.
Don't be giving up and missing out on $$$$$$


OKAY, we will have a POLL.

Should Fleastiff Trust Varmenti?
Should Fleastiff open his mind?
Should Fleastiff keep reading the posts?
Should Fleastiff hitchhike to Niagra Falls?

NO, on second thought... don't bother with the poll.
Fleastiff is on the verge of opening that post about a girl pooping on-axis in Vegas!!!
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October 12th, 2013 at 2:36:03 PM permalink
Hey everyone.. I am a novice from Ontario trying to learn about few differnet games of the casino.. I have been trying to study on a real time basis (playing and observing) for almost a year now.. I have played blackjack, craps and baccarat.. I AM NOT A MATHEMATICIAN, but I do believe in stats and the probabilities that are being posted here by the Wizard and others.. I have tried few things in the baccarat and been lucky and succesful. Thats the reason I have read thru Varmenti's post and would like to see him in person while he plays..

As I go to Fallsview 4-5 days a week I have tried contacting Varmenti at 1-289-438-4555 but noone picked d calls. Anyways its an open offer for your Varmenti, let me know when you would like to meet at the Fallsview. I am ready to watch you play the whole day for next week. So I will be waiting for your resonse on that
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October 12th, 2013 at 2:43:20 PM permalink
Varmenti thats all cool if you decide who is most interested...I guess certainly mission would would automatically be most interested. For starters, why dont we get the money thing out of the way and send it to the wizard ASAP then you can alocate where it gose after. No one wants to put in a bunch of effort in, showing they are most interested for 2 months and then be disappointed because you went on a 100k losing streak. I love this because I seem to have action no matter what happens. If Varm wheasels out then well it would seem evryone was right in not believing his gambling stories. If mission fails perhaps that would be disappointing for 10 greedy members. If he succeeds then Varm loses 1k. I'M not sure who im rooting for yet.
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October 12th, 2013 at 2:48:23 PM permalink
Quote: novicegambler

Hey everyone.. I am a novice from Ontario trying to learn about few differnet games of the casino.. I have been trying to study on a real time basis (playing and observing) for almost a year now.. I have played blackjack, craps and baccarat.. I AM NOT A MATHEMATICIAN, but I do believe in stats and the probabilities that are being posted here by the Wizard and others.. I have tried few things in the baccarat and been lucky and succesful. Thats the reason I have read thru Varmenti's post and would like to see him in person while he plays..

As I go to Fallsview 4-5 days a week I have tried contacting Varmenti at 1-289-438-4555 but noone picked d calls. Anyways its an open offer for your Varmenti, let me know when you would like to meet at the Fallsview. I am ready to watch you play the whole day for next week. So I will be waiting for your resonse on that

Its amazing how many new people from that area want to meet up, yet not one of thousands of old members can step up.
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October 12th, 2013 at 2:53:15 PM permalink
Hell, seems like all the new members in this thread are from Ontario!
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October 12th, 2013 at 3:05:51 PM permalink
Quote: novicegambler

Hey everyone.. I am a novice from Ontario trying to learn about few differnet games of the casino.. I have been trying to study on a real time basis (playing and observing) for almost a year now.. I have played blackjack, craps and baccarat.. I AM NOT A MATHEMATICIAN, but I do believe in stats and the probabilities that are being posted here by the Wizard and others.. I have tried few things in the baccarat and been lucky and succesful. Thats the reason I have read thru Varmenti's post and would like to see him in person while he plays..

As I go to Fallsview 4-5 days a week I have tried contacting Varmenti at 1-289-438-4555 but noone picked d calls. Anyways its an open offer for your Varmenti, let me know when you would like to meet at the Fallsview. I am ready to watch you play the whole day for next week. So I will be waiting for your resonse on that



novicegambler, anyone with that kind of username who has been studying Casino games for "almost" a year, must have some interesting stories or tips to share.
Please Share?
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October 12th, 2013 at 4:13:01 PM permalink
Quote: novicegambler

Hey everyone.. I am a novice from Ontario trying to learn about few differnet games of the casino.. I have been trying to study on a real time basis (playing and observing) for almost a year now.. I have played blackjack, craps and baccarat.. I AM NOT A MATHEMATICIAN, but I do believe in stats and the probabilities that are being posted here by the Wizard and others.. I have tried few things in the baccarat and been lucky and succesful. Thats the reason I have read thru Varmenti's post and would like to see him in person while he plays..

As I go to Fallsview 4-5 days a week I have tried contacting Varmenti at 1-289-438-4555 but noone picked d calls. Anyways its an open offer for your Varmenti, let me know when you would like to meet at the Fallsview. I am ready to watch you play the whole day for next week. So I will be waiting for your resonse on that



I hope you are the real deal novicegambler in that you don't know Varmenti. I'd love to hear from an independent witness viewing his casino action.
To be honest, I'd like to see for myself. I'm flying out to see the 100 Nuggets challenge, why not check out Varmenti on his home turf. I work in the corporate travel industry, airfare for me to see Varmenti in action is a measley 10 bucks. Even on a free ticket, there is a tax. Only problem is I want a guaranteed viewing , no way I'm going up there to get the dodge.
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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October 12th, 2013 at 4:47:14 PM permalink
@AxelWolf - I am from India and currently on a work permit in Toronto. Thats the only reason I can't visit Vegas or even USA. I would have loved to meet any of the stalwarts in this forum. I would also like to meet anyone who mes to play at any of the casino in Ontario
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October 12th, 2013 at 5:54:15 PM permalink
@Varmenti - Like you have noticed trends in the shoe of a baccarat game, I do notice one trend in you and your posts. I see how you just reply or chose to reply or read only the part of the post which you want.

Hence I would repeat - I would like to see you play at the Fallsview, so let me know the date and time. And please don't post a number to call which you don't receive. I don't have any preconceived notions against your system and I myself do use some "crazy" or "mathematically not backed" systems because I am there to have fun and not make a living out of it.
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October 12th, 2013 at 5:55:44 PM permalink
@terapined - Like I mentioned I have no idea who varmenti is. And I am also eagerly waiting for his reply to see him in action.
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October 12th, 2013 at 5:56:29 PM permalink
@Beethoven9th - I wish I could change that. But yeah fortunately or unfortunately I am here in Ontario.
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October 12th, 2013 at 6:06:14 PM permalink
Quote: novicegambler

@AxelWolf - I am from India and currently on a work permit in Toronto. Thats the only reason I can't visit Vegas or even USA. I would have loved to meet any of the stalwarts in this forum. I would also like to meet anyone who mes to play at any of the casino in Ontario

Well I Never... Why all the Harry Potter insults? No need for names here ...I'm as innocent as a virgin.
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October 12th, 2013 at 6:29:51 PM permalink
@AxelWolf - I am sorry I am lost here.. Harry Potter insults ?? Are you referring to "stalwarts" ?? It was all well intended, I really admire lot of people in the forum with so much knowledge about the system/betting
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October 13th, 2013 at 1:23:43 AM permalink
Here are the Scorecards for Saturday October 12 Games.

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