roulette system 33726 simulated spins so far winning 17500$
the system is based on progression, the catch is that out of 146 spins one would lose, in the worst case scenario, 22 times.
so you see the player will surely win 124 times (this is observed after approximately 40000 simulated spins)
each loss is 3369$ and the average of each win is 24$.
so far i have been trying this system manually in online casinos, i would like to know if there are any interested people capable of making a program to simulate the system and save me months of work. in return they will get the full details of my system witch so far has great results.
please note that i do not intend to sell my system, i would happily give it for free in exchange for a programmer's services.
update :
so far i'm up to almost 35000 spins and a net profit of approximately 21000$. my system is still standing strong despite unexpected results occurring (two losses showing up separated by only 60 wins)
Quote: rolandabji have come up with a roulette system witch i am currently testing that has so far given me a profit of 17500$ after approximately 33726 spins.
the system is based on progression, the catch is that out of 146 spins one would loose, in the worst case scenario, 22 times.
so you see the player will surely win 124 times (this is observed after approximately 40000 simulated spins)
each loss is 3369$ and the average of each win is 24$.
so far i have been trying this system manually in online casinos, i would like to know if there are any interested people capable of making a program to simulate the system and save me months of work. in return they will get the full details of my system witch so far has great results.
please note that i do not intend to sell my system, i would happily give it for free in exchange for a programmer's services.
1 Bad Loss wipes out 140 wins? Yikes!
Not being critical of spelling, but I noticed in most gambling forums that a lot of people use the word "loose" instead of the proper spelling of "lose." :)
Quote: rolandabjyou are right the house edge in euro roulette is 2.70% that is a mathematical fact but my system relies on a tiny amount of luck witch so far seems i am having :)
As do all systems — as well as no system at all (if you have luck, you don't need a system). But over time the math will prove correct and there's nothing you can do to stop it, so there's no point in trying. Those are the facts and you can choose to ignore them if you wish.
Quote: JBAs do all systems — as well as no system at all (if you have luck, you don't need a system). But over time the math will prove correct and there's nothing you can do to stop it, so there's no point in trying. Those are the facts and you can choose to ignore them if you wish.
that's true casinos rely on math and on the player's greed. i don't intend to make a living out of roulette, just a quick buck and I'm out, for instance if the money i won was real i would have stopped gambling. after all what does a player have in his favor other than his wit and hopefully some short term luck.
Quote: rolandabji don't intend to make a living out of roulette, just a quick buck and I'm out
So your plan is to quit after making $1 in profit and never play again for the rest of eternity?
Quote: rolandabjif the money i won was real i would have stopped gambling
At what point? On the other side of the same coin, what is your plan when your real-money results start off sour and continue to get worse with each bet you place?
Quote: rolandabjafter all what does a player have in his favor other than his wit and hopefully some short term luck.
If you have "luck" you don't need a system.
If you don't have "luck" a system will only increase your losses.
So why bother with a system at all when "luck" is really what you are seeking?
you are absolutely right it's hard to know when a player should quit while ahead, but i've tested a lot of strategies and almost all of them work on the short term, i believe ''short term play'' is the only way to beat a casino.
what i found is that the risk of losing will always remain present when choosing any system, mine reduces that risk drastically(so far)
all i have to do is avoid those 22 losses in each 146 spins and i'm clear, and that's the worst case scenario. at some points there could be as low as 12 losses in 146 spins (those are the results that the simulation has given me so far)
until now i've been dodging most of these losses.
in the end it's called gambling, so nothing ventured nothing gained, all i can hope for is to be doing the gaining part :)
and just to be clear i'm not saying that i have found an airtight system that will beat roulette, all i'm hoping for is to reduce the risk enough to make some profit, not get greedy, and quit while ahead.
Don't forget to save bus fare. You know, just in case !
Quote: rolandabjno i plan to quit after making 20000$ or so in profits enough to buy me a new car :)
you are absolutely right it's hard to know when a player should quit while ahead, but i've tested a lot of strategies and almost all of them work on the short term, i believe ''short term play'' is the only way to beat a casino.
what i found is that the risk of losing will always remain present when choosing any system, mine reduces that risk drastically(so far)
all i have to do is avoid those 22 losses in each 146 spins and i'm clear, and that's the worst case scenario. at some points there could be as low as 12 losses in 146 spins (those are the results that the simulation has given me so far)
until now i've been dodging most of these losses.
in the end it's called gambling, so nothing ventured nothing gained, all i can hope for is to be doing the gaining part :)
and just to be clear i'm not saying that i have found an airtight system that will beat roulette, all i'm hoping for is to reduce the risk enough to make some profit, not get greedy, and quit while ahead.
How do you "dodge" these losses? The way I avoid negative variance is to buy in with 5 units for a session, 15 unit max loss per day. I know the math is still negative expectation in Roulette or blackjack unless counting, which I can do, but I have left the Casino with a lot more $$ on winning days than $$ on losing days betting this way and the % of winning days vs. losing days is about 50-50. 100 trips to the Casino in 2 years.
If you are increasing bets after a loss, as in a Martingale, STOP NOW. Martingale is a horrible way to play.
super!Quote: rolandabji have come up with a roulette system witch i am currently testing that has so far given me a profit of 17500$ after approximately 33726 spins.
what was your largest bet and how large of a bankroll did you need to cover it?
always a catchQuote: rolandabjthe system is based on progression, the catch is that out of 146 spins one would lose, in the worst case scenario, 22 times.
so you see the player will surely win 124 times (this is observed after approximately 40000 simulated spins)
each loss is 3369$ and the average of each win is 24$.
Fishermen catch fish.
For a Roulette program, I use Roulette Xtreme.Quote: rolandabjso far i have been trying this system manually in online casinos, i would like to know if there are any interested people capable of making a program to simulate the system and save me months of work. in return they will get the full details of my system witch so far has great results.
please note that i do not intend to sell my system, i would happily give it for free in exchange for a programmer's services.
It has many systems already in it (I bet yours is in it)
and very easy to adjust or program a new one.
I have time to run some sims while watching NFL games today.
But I be in Vegas Mon thru Sat this week so for me to give you any unbiased sim data, today or nothing
Good Luck to you
You gamble with your own money? Great.
That gives you the total right to do as you please and enjoy your entertainment.
Quote: rolandabjyou are absolutely right it's hard to know when a player should quit while ahead, but i've tested a lot of strategies and almost all of them work on the short term, i believe ''short term play'' is the only way to beat a casino.
That is brilliant. You should avoid the long term and just keep your records as a bunch of short terms. Then you can just keep winning.
Quote: JB
If you have "luck" you don't need a system.
If you don't have "luck" a system will only increase your losses.
So why bother with a system at all when "luck" is really what you are seeking?
Without a system, there is absolutely no chance at all if depends solely on luck. But we can have a system to turn the table around.
Can have a system such that it takes a lot of luck from the casino to beat you, so you are likely to win most of the time.
Sure, John Patrick has proved it many times.
Quote: sodawaterroulette is a negative expectation game.
In California, they can't have a real roulette game, so they have these "slot" machines that does the same thing. As you know, with slot machines, you get comps, mailers, free play.
In one casino -- Colusa Casino off I-5 on Highway 45 -- once offered a video roulette with single 0; the Casino had to remove it because the AP's were betting the max on both red/black and generating massive number of tickets (so many coin-in gets a ticket) to win promos.
While the roulette is a negative expectation game, it can be used to create positive expectation situations.
Quote: 7craps
For a Roulette program, I use Roulette Xtreme.
It has many systems already in it (I bet yours is in it)
and very easy to adjust or program a new one.
What are your thoughts on InsightBets's Roulette Apps for iPad or iPhone -- I bought two (one for American and European Roulette) and I can't use them due to poor documentations.
Quote: Ardent1What are your thoughts on InsightBets's Roulette Apps .
They don't hold a candle to Roulette Xtreme. Its the gold
standard for practicing roulette. There's nothing you can't
make it do and it has so much statistical info on whats
happening that its a delight to use.
Quote: EvenBobThey don't hold a candle to Roulette Xtreme. Its the gold
standard for practicing roulette. There's nothing you can't
make it do and it has so much statistical info on whats
happening that its a delight to use.
Thanks for the feedback, I contacted them and they stated they aren't bring their software onto the iOS platform. And they advised me I could use it on the Mac computers. I am going to download the trial version and play with it; for $30, it's not going to hurt me if I don't like the software. I was in the market for a stasticial package and EViews costs like $1,000 a license -- yikes!
Btw, I just upload Insight Bets app on my iPad Mini (just so much better to use than my iPod), but I really wish these Insight Bet guys would improve their documentation.
I guess it depends upon witch context yore using it in :)Quote: EdgeLookerNot being critical of spelling, but I noticed in most gambling forums that a lot of people use the word "loose" instead of the proper spelling of "lose." :)
Quote: sodawaterroulette is a negative expectation game. nothing can change that. it's exactly as productive putting in "months" of work trying to see if 2+2 can equal 5 as trying to develop a profitable roulette system.
Interesting that you think that speaking there is already a guaranteed system that works. It's always doubling your bet assuming there is no maximum and you have an unlimited amount to bet. Just because the odds are against you doesn't mean you can't manipulate the money to your advantage.
Quote: Jameson56You can't beat the casino in long run and not at all by playing the roulette.
Have you proof of this rather bold statement ?
Quote: Jameson56You can't beat the casino in long run and not at all by playing the roulette.
What you mean is you can't, so you think nobody can.
Some time ago, I was interested in it, from mathematical perspective so I built an excel, where I calculated huge amounts of spins with different strategies.
In order to test it properly, from my experience, it has to be tested on at least 500,000 spins, then from all the strategies I tested it comes more or less to the same result (which was negative, on all strategies I've tested so far), when I tested it on 10,000 I still used to get very different results every 10,000.
Since some of the strategies have a very low chance of losing (but when you lose - you lose huge), so if you lost 1 time you might be in a positive position, but if you lost twice already you might in a negative position, therefore 10000 spins nor 30000 is simply not enough to test it properly.
I'm sure that you cannot beat the system, if it will be based on 500K or 1M spins, but If you have a way to make a win, with a really really low chance of losing, I would be interested to hear it and to test it in my excel tool (for free of course).
Note that not EVERY system I can test, but meanwhile I managed to test most of them.
Let me know if you're interested.
