GN AC vs. Darkoz

Quote: DRich

Quote: darkoz

No, sending out W2-G for aggregate wins is simply illegal on the part of the casino and wrong in so many ways.

The casinos can aggregate your jackpots of $1200 or more and just issue a single W2G.
link to original post

Yes, I was referring to the suggestion that aggregate Non-jackpot wins be issued a W2-G.

Your narrative has brought to mind a few questions if you that is okay.

It seems to me that you have been doing this AP system for quite some time, at least 12 years. Is that about, correct?

One of your posts in this regard stated that your initial investment was $60k to get the various player's cards which you stated was at least 28 or so. Is that about, correct?

During all the years since your initial investment, did you have to "re-invest" because the offers dried up and had to be reinvigorated? If so, how many times, and was the investment about the same?

Your knowledge of the law pertaining to "trespassing," free play, tax law regarding the W2G's, and monies won via free play is quite extensive and very interesting. How long did it take to learn such intricacies and did circumstances at the time of confrontation require you to learn the items?

BTW, very impressive.

tuttigym

Did the non-warrant warrant thing that caused you problems later at GN and Borgata happen because of this incident or something later on?

Quote: randomperson

Did the non-warrant warrant thing that caused you problems later at GN and Borgata happen because of this incident or something later on?
link to original post

It was this incident. The "incident in Pennsylvania" isn't my name for it. That's what the security supervisor referred to it as when I was surrounded the first time at the golden Nugget.

I argued there was no warrant for my arrest and he said it had to do with the "incident in Pennsylvania".

And this is my only incident in Pennsylvania.

I should point out if it sounds crazy that casinos thought I had a warrant when I didn't, that will be discussed in an upcoming post.

Quote: tuttigym

Your narrative has brought to mind a few questions if you that is okay.

It seems to me that you have been doing this AP system for quite some time, at least 12 years. Is that about, correct?

One of your posts in this regard stated that your initial investment was $60k to get the various player's cards which you stated was at least 28 or so. Is that about, correct?

During all the years since your initial investment, did you have to "re-invest" because the offers dried up and had to be reinvigorated? If so, how many times, and was the investment about the same?

Your knowledge of the law pertaining to "trespassing," free play, tax law regarding the W2G's, and monies won via free play is quite extensive and very interesting. How long did it take to learn such intricacies and did circumstances at the time of confrontation require you to learn the items?

BTW, very impressive.

tuttigym
link to original post

I started AP in January 2012.

$60,000 was invested at Valley Forge. That is not necessarily typical. I have invested as little as $250 a card for high offers.

One place cost me $25 per card.

Legal but secrets I can't divulge.

However if AP tricks aren't available then I can still generate offers with a sizable investment. If it's worthwhile in the end.

I reinvest all the time. This is a full time gig for me. There hasn't been a month in ten years I haven't had multiple cards set up with freeplay.

Even at locations that have the dossier on me I have ongoing operations at.

Learning the law came from necessity and due diligence to avoid legal problems. Unfortunately not everyone cares to follow the law even at the judicial level. But stay tuned.

lack of self awareness

Quote: Seedvalue

lack of self awareness
link to original post

Hello, Seedvalue

I was going through some of your posts and you mentioned a purge at Golden Nugget this past January? I wasn't there nor my crew and haven't been there in a while so that wasn't due to us.

I'm assuming you mean they meant everyone had to get new cards? Not that all comps were eliminated and all patrons accounts zeroed out but that a new player card was issued requiring patrons show their ID in person?

I have seen that before and it's not necessarily due to anti-AP measures. Sometimes marketing just wants to upgrade their systems.

Unless you have some information that is irrefutable on the subject.

EDIT: for example one unnamed casino changed out all their player's cards on me and I had a sizable amount. I also figured they were trying to make my life hard... until they installed automated machines to stick your ID in and reprint them. Obviously the card purge was just a system upgrade and nothing pertaining to AP as I just borrowed everyone's ID and went in and reprinted them myself.

My point is one need be cautious about paranoia in our field. It's not always about us that decisions are made.

I’vefggg

Quote: Seedvalue

I’ve been in this particular field a few more years they you. Operating in the same region as you. The Golden Nugget purge was absolutely because a crew did to many cards at once. Not a software update. At a certain point to many cards trigger internal audits by marketing execs, because the liabilities are so far out of the norm it requires a person to investigate.

For example if a casino normally gives out let’s say 500k a month in free play, but one month that doubles to 1 million this will be investigated. Sixty new cards getting $500 five times a week in one month won’t fly under the radar at 99.9 percent of stores. In fact far less then my example of sixty would trigger internal audits well before those offers could be redeemed. If you ever had a card killed even before making the first pickup you may have been caught up in such a purge. As a result Currently GN is now unbeatable with standard methods. This is fine by me, and I’m sure its fine by you as well. I’m sure you are aware of alternative ways to circumvent the system’s in place as do I.

We need have some self awareness in this game. Casinos Tolerate a certain number of multi carders much like a grocery store tolerates a certain amount of shrink. However at some point they will not let it slide. As professionals we need to manage this delicate balance at each store. IMO most people are not doing this and just using the YOLO approach destroying store after store along the way.
link to original post

Wow, sixty cards at that level is indeed egregious.

As you can see at the Valley Forge I went for half that but also only $200 per day. Sixty cards at $500 per day would definitely kill the golden goose. And at golden Nugget they were already checking like Hawks.

Well, I am glad to see you understand the alternative methods out there. Whatever you are doing in the alternative I am sure it adds to your expenses and is almost more trouble than it's worth.

Good luck.

Perhaps..

Quote: darkoz

Part fifteen:

…

link to original post

Mo’ please, sir? Please, sir, may I have some mo’?

Quote: camapl

Quote: darkoz

Part fifteen:

…

link to original post

Mo’ please, sir? Please, sir, may I have some mo’?
link to original post

Yes you may. This week is a tight schedule with a bunch of birthdays including my kid turning four so just hang tight.

Happy birthday, darkkid.

Quote: Dieter

Happy birthday, darkkid.
link to original post

Lol, my son is mixed so gotta be careful about calling him darkkid :)

Quote: darkoz

Quote: Dieter

Happy birthday, darkkid.
link to original post

Lol, my son is mixed so gotta be careful about calling him darkkid :)
link to original post

ozkid

Quote: darkoz

Quote: Dieter

Happy birthday, darkkid.
link to original post

Lol, my son is mixed so gotta be careful about calling him darkkid :)
link to original post

Sorry ozling! I meant no disrespect.

Quote: Dieter

Quote: darkoz

Quote: Dieter

Happy birthday, darkkid.
link to original post

Lol, my son is mixed so gotta be careful about calling him darkkid :)
link to original post

Sorry ozling! I meant no disrespect.
link to original post

None taken.

Happy Birthday, Mini Oz!

I understand. Take your time. Family comes first.

“Please, sir, may I have some more” …birthday cake?!?

Quote: darkoz

Quote: Seedvalue

I’ve been in this particular field a few more years they you. Operating in the same region as you. The Golden Nugget purge was absolutely because a crew did to many cards at once. Not a software update. At a certain point to many cards trigger internal audits by marketing execs, because the liabilities are so far out of the norm it requires a person to investigate.

For example if a casino normally gives out let’s say 500k a month in free play, but one month that doubles to 1 million this will be investigated. Sixty new cards getting $500 five times a week in one month won’t fly under the radar at 99.9 percent of stores. In fact far less then my example of sixty would trigger internal audits well before those offers could be redeemed. If you ever had a card killed even before making the first pickup you may have been caught up in such a purge. As a result Currently GN is now unbeatable with standard methods. This is fine by me, and I’m sure its fine by you as well. I’m sure you are aware of alternative ways to circumvent the system’s in place as do I.

We need have some self awareness in this game. Casinos Tolerate a certain number of multi carders much like a grocery store tolerates a certain amount of shrink. However at some point they will not let it slide. As professionals we need to manage this delicate balance at each store. IMO most people are not doing this and just using the YOLO approach destroying store after store along the way.
link to original post

Wow, sixty cards at that level is indeed egregious.

As you can see at the Valley Forge I went for half that but also only $200 per day. Sixty cards at $500 per day would definitely kill the golden goose. And at golden Nugget they were already checking like Hawks.

Well, I am glad to see you understand the alternative methods out there. Whatever you are doing in the alternative I am sure it adds to your expenses and is almost more trouble than it's worth.

Good luck.
link to original post

I am trying to wrap my brain around the offers posted above, i.e., $500/day and $200/day. At gambling centers such as LV, Reno, Tahoe, AC, etc., are such offers still available, and if so, what does it take to get just one like that?? I can understand getting say 30 cards with $50/wk offers using an investment of $60,000, but $200/day, how?

tuttigym

Quote: tuttigym

Quote: darkoz

Quote: Seedvalue

I’ve been in this particular field a few more years they you. Operating in the same region as you. The Golden Nugget purge was absolutely because a crew did to many cards at once. Not a software update. At a certain point to many cards trigger internal audits by marketing execs, because the liabilities are so far out of the norm it requires a person to investigate.

For example if a casino normally gives out let’s say 500k a month in free play, but one month that doubles to 1 million this will be investigated. Sixty new cards getting $500 five times a week in one month won’t fly under the radar at 99.9 percent of stores. In fact far less then my example of sixty would trigger internal audits well before those offers could be redeemed. If you ever had a card killed even before making the first pickup you may have been caught up in such a purge. As a result Currently GN is now unbeatable with standard methods. This is fine by me, and I’m sure its fine by you as well. I’m sure you are aware of alternative ways to circumvent the system’s in place as do I.

We need have some self awareness in this game. Casinos Tolerate a certain number of multi carders much like a grocery store tolerates a certain amount of shrink. However at some point they will not let it slide. As professionals we need to manage this delicate balance at each store. IMO most people are not doing this and just using the YOLO approach destroying store after store along the way.
link to original post

Wow, sixty cards at that level is indeed egregious.

As you can see at the Valley Forge I went for half that but also only $200 per day. Sixty cards at $500 per day would definitely kill the golden goose. And at golden Nugget they were already checking like Hawks.

Well, I am glad to see you understand the alternative methods out there. Whatever you are doing in the alternative I am sure it adds to your expenses and is almost more trouble than it's worth.

Good luck.
link to original post

I am trying to wrap my brain around the offers posted above, i.e., $500/day and $200/day. At gambling centers such as LV, Reno, Tahoe, AC, etc., are such offers still available, and if so, what does it take to get just one like that?? I can understand getting say 30 cards with $50/wk offers using an investment of $60,000, but $200/day, how?

tuttigym
link to original post

The how isn't going to be explained by me. There are multiple ways of getting that type of offer and "tricks" to minimize losses in doing so.

It's profitable and not in a small way. But there are always pitfalls (casinos catching on and pinlocking cards for example).

Quote: darkoz

The how isn't going to be explained by me. There are multiple ways of getting that type of offer and "tricks" to minimize losses in doing so.

It's profitable and not in a small way. But there are always pitfalls (casinos catching on and pinlocking cards for example).
link to original post

Can I assume there is some kind of a "coin in" requirement, and if so, approximate minimum?

tuttigym

Quote: tuttigym

Quote: darkoz

The how isn't going to be explained by me. There are multiple ways of getting that type of offer and "tricks" to minimize losses in doing so.

It's profitable and not in a small way. But there are always pitfalls (casinos catching on and pinlocking cards for example).
link to original post

Can I assume there is some kind of a "coin in" requirement, and if so, approximate minimum?

tuttigym
link to original post

Well you can't get comps without coin-in. Not of the variety we are discussing.

DM sent if you don’t mind having a private convo

Quote: Seedvalue

DM sent if you don’t mind having a private convo
link to original post

Just replied!

Part sixteen:

Returning to where I left off, I was being escorted to a side door in the Valley Forge by a casino executive after being back-roomed for using other people's players cards. I had been caught using them a month earlier, but not evicted and now on December 7th, 2016, after pulling $20,000 a week from the casino, disguised in a latex life-like mask that gave me the persona of an old man, they were finally giving me my walking papers.

This should have been the end of the operation. But when the casino executive and I reached the exit, he began reiterating that I was evicted from the property and woud be arrested for trespassing if I ever returned. I wasn't paying him much attention. I already knew this and had already signed a document to this effect, including my admitting that I understood what I was signing. The casino executive was just chewing spit and wasting breath. My mind was preoccupied with the threat the executives had mentioned about suing me for unjust enrichment. While I was certain to prevail, I could end up spending money in a court battle to defend myself. In the end, they must have realized how fruitless their legal argument was but I didn't know that at the time.

I expected that to be the end of the conversation but then the executive kept talking.

The executive said something that was just so plain stupid that I filed it in the back of my brain with idiotisms said by casino executives. I didn't mention in the last post what that stupid comment was but here it is for your enjoyment. "Tell your associates that they are also evicted and if we catch them using other players cards then they too will be charged with trespassing."

Now, there is not a court in America where that would stand up to legal scrutiny. A blanket eviction for anyone I knew who dared to enter the premises based on my passing along a message? Come on!

I probably nodded at the executive expecting to be able to leave finally.

But then he kept talking!

And this time he said something that perked up my Advantage Players sensibilities. And due to what he said, instead of travelling home despondent that the Valley Forge operation was finished, I was planning my next move to attack the Valley Forge.

So, just what did he say? It went something like this. "We won't tolerate anyone except the actual card members using their own cards. Make certain they understand they must use their own offers from now on."

Now generally, casinos simply erase all the offers when cards are confiscated in this manner. So, for the Valley Forge to leave the offers intact and available was a tactical error on their part. To alert a known Advantage Player was just plain stupid.

For two years I assumed this casino executive was just egregious in his word vomit but when I reviewed the Golden Nugget dossier I realized this had come down from the Valley Forge as a general decision, because this conversation, although not complete, was noted in the documentation.

You can read it for yourself.



Now if the offers were still available I was intent on still accessing them. So, I put into motion my next move. I call it the KRAKEN!

The KRAKEN is a vicious and vindictive move. But first let me explain a little about my card holders. I don't just pay people to go sign up for players cards. I also give them a sort of profit sharing incentive. After each month I have used their card, they all get some cash(they receive their mailers so they have an idea when to expect payment.). This is one reason I have generated such loyalty. It also keeps most people from seeing those very lucrative offers which they receive in the mail and getting some ideas about collecting it themselves. I have had a high retention and loyalty rate. In the last decade I can count on one hand the people who changed their pins and took their offers. And they all came back begging to be allowed back in years later when they realized the money train kept on rolling and rolling so any profit they snatched was easily overshadowed. {Since everyone I use is introduced by someone else, people who screwed me always have to hear from their friends and relatives on what they are missing out on. Obviously, they aren't allowed back into the program.)

My people understand that if the operation is shut down they aren't getting a payment for that month. And since they had all been contacted by Pennsylvania state troopers querying if they had given me permission to use the cards they understood the situation. I still felt a certain loyalty to getting them money. After all, they are my bread and butter. Without willing participants to get me casino cards I am out of business.

The KRAKEN is simple enough. I re-distributed the cards back to their respective card owners and let them go and retrieve the offers themselves. Its simplistic as possible but in practice its terribly inefficient and difficult to arrange. These people are usually not regular gamblers Some have never gambled! I actually try to stay away from gamblers who I find are too addicted to wagering to pass up seductive offers arriving in the mail. People have work schedules or just plain don't want to travel.

But the Valley Forge was giving excellent offers because it was just before Christmas. And a good deal of my people had been counting on payments to help with their Christmas shopping. So it was that most if not all of the card holders agreed to go down.

I checked the offers online and they were all still there. My people booked their comped hotel rooms for the weekend following my eviction. It was the only time most everyone could go. Not everyone booked rooms as it wasn't necessary. A lot of them were brought in pairs, husbands and wives, moms and daughters, etc. As it was close to a holiday season weekend I was actually surprised they were able to book the few rooms they could.

They organized a few carpools and arrived on that next Friday. After checking in they went to the casino and found their cards had been pin locked. At the rewards desk they were asked to show ID and then informed a casino executive needed to okay their account being reopened. When executives arrived they demanded they show their ID a second time and then noitified them they would not tolerate anyone using their cards but them. The Valley Forge would be extremely strict. Even using another persons card when the person was seated next to them was not allowed.

They unlocked the cards and my people went to work. They activated the $200 freeplay on their own cards. I instructed them to wait to play it for the next day when they could do the double-up. And that night, they all partied and got drunk in their rooms.

Saturday morning they went back and activated the second days offers. They played off the $400 freeplay and then cashed out once they had finished.

And so, another $8,000 in cash walked out the door!

You can probably see why I name this move the KRAKEN. Instead of just my own arms grabbing offers, the Valley Forge was now being attacked by a many tentacled beast. And it is pretty vicious as you are about to see.

It was time to unleash the KRAKEN!

After they cashed out the money won from freeplay, they printed out their Saturday gift offers. In honor of Christmas coming up, it was for $200 Visa gift cards. They all waited on the line, showed their ID and walked off with the gift cards.

And another $5000 in value walked out the door!

Literally out the door as they left to go shopping at the King of Prussia shopping mall about twenty minutes away. Christmas shopping needs were being met.

By the time they returned it was early evening. Dinner time! So, they all printed out their $150 food vouchers and took tables at the fancy restaurant on the second floor. That many people pretty much took up most every table so whatever truly valuable customers might have been playing that night they weren't being serviced. it was mostly my crew. They feasted on Lobsters, Crab, T-bone steaks and Filet Mignon.

And another $3,500 in value walked out the door!

Satiated, they retired to their hotel rooms.

The next morning, Sunday, there wasn't any free play however the casino was handing out flat screen televisions. They all printed out their vouchers and stood on line to present their ID and collect their electronics. Later they would load up the carpools with two dozen flatscreens.

And another $7,000 in value had walked out the door!

Then they visited the gift shop. Each of their cards had earned around $100+ in comp dollars. So, they went on a shopping spree and cleaned out their shopping dollars.

And another $2,500 in value had just walked out the door!

It was getting time for them to leave as they had all checked out of their rooms. But this being Sunday and a new week at the Valley Forge, they all had the next weeks food vouchers to print out and use. The fancy restaurant was closed but they went to the food court and loaded up on dozens of meals to completely use their $150 food vouchers. They were returning with plenty of food for the family at home.

And another $3,500 in value walked out the door!

That weekend was a banner weekend. My people talked about how much fun they had for a long time. And even though I didn't ask for a cut (it was difficult enough convincing them to go without demanding they keep a count and give me a portion of their winnings) it wasn't without some financial benefit for me. Because those people bragged about their exploits to their family and friends and when they saw the flat screens and saw the images of gourmet dinners and shopping posted on Facebook, well, let's just say that after that weekend, I never had problems recruiting new people. In fact, I have had to turn people down I get so many requests from potential card holders,

The weekend was over and they drove back to New York but they were not finished. They were all exuberant about this sudden cash windfall. Some people couldn't return quickly due to work responsibilities but many returned Monday for more. It was Monday afternoon when some of my people, gambling on their own cards with their own freeplay were approached by casino executives and asked to present ID to confirm the names matched the players cards inserted in the slot machines. Of course, the names matched but then they were asked to leave the premises anyway because they were all accused of committing fraud!

Now it's fraud to use your own players card?

I imagine that Monday morning the casino executives had returned from their weekends and examined the activities on those flagged cards and were horrified. What had walked out the door was multiples of what I would have collected in the same two day span. I cannot collect all those free food and gifts, etc as you need to show ID. But they wanted the actual players to collect their own offers and I had delivered. What would they tell the judge in my unjust enrichment lawsuit? It was now unjust for the players to take their own free offers?

Let's get something clear. The casinos really don't care who uses the players cards. That's just a smoke screen, a facade! As long as the money is flowing towards them. Why call it fraud to use your own card if it's within the rules? And if you think I speak through the side of my mouth about being able to use players cards if the money is flowing towards the casinos, check out the document from Resorts International where they noticed I was losing $2,000-$3,000 per card. They DIDN'T BOTHER to come surround me and stop me, they didn't bother to say, hey. we know you are using other players cards so you need to leave. I wasn't evicted when I was losing.

Here is the paperwork for that. It's a little hard to see but basically they say they observed me losing $2000-$3000 on six different cards which they then promo-banned. Where were the security officers to stop me? For that matter, note the irony that they call what I was doing a scam, while noting that they collected over $12,000 - $18,000 in an afternoon from me, and giving me nothing, not even a free meal in return. Yah, I scammed them! Right!



At any rate, my people notified me they had just been accused of fraud by the Valley Forge. They weren't about to wait for a situation to develop. These weren't people used to dealing with casinos shenanigans. They hightailed it out of there.

Once I was informed, I told all the other card members not to go. They were actually surprised the casino could kick you out for using your own players card. But I assured them the casino will do anything, even if its illegal, to stop us.

Only one of my sassier people, refused to give up. She went anyway and when they surrounded her, she pulled out her calender received in her mailbox, pointed to the offers and her name on her ID and demanded if they felt she was committing fraud, the executives should call the on-site police to press charges. And she warned them if they put a single hand on her she would be suing them. They retreated and just watched her from a distance until she left.

The next day she told me she was preparing to return but when I checked the website, the offers were gone. The Valley Forge had finally wised up, lol.

Now, the KRAKEN as I described it probably wasn't as successful as I make it seem. I wasn't there. And some people reported winning nothing on the freeplay which tells me they probably didn't stop gambling and gave back their winnings. And a few people said they didn't care for the food at the restaurant and ate somewhere else. And some people reported they found the items for sale in the Valley Forge gift shop to be so tacky and undesirable that they didn't want them even for free! It wasn't the perfect move I described above but after everything I had done to the Valley Forge I am sure that what did work stung quite a bit.

As Mal Reynolds, the captain from Firefly would probably say, "I reckon they took it some kind of way!"

It was just a scant two weeks later that I entered the Golden Nugget to get a players card in my own name and was notified there was a glitch with my account and to be patient while a techician arrived. And I was surrounded by security guards to my East and West and North and South and then notified that I was being detained due to a warrant out for my arrest due to the "incident in Pennsylvania."

And that pretty much brings us full circle to events I have already discussed in this thread, the beginning of my drama, the Golden Nugget AC versus Darkoz. But just what was it that made them believe I had a warrant for something that isn't a crime? I felt something was off in the response I was receiving from casinos. This wasn't heat, this was nuclear. But without access to what was discussed about me I had no real proof that something had been, hmmm, shall we say, incorrectly imparted.

That is until the Golden Nugget supplied me with the twenty page dossier giving me access to the communications between casinos. Thank you, again, Golden Nugget.

I now knew why my presence was so toxic!

To be continued!

This chapter was very interesting.

Either you put a lot of coin-in to generate such offers or this casino was very generous with its offers.

I'm guessing your initial $60,000 invested created about a half-million of coin-in.

Quote: AlanMendelson

This chapter was very interesting.

Either you put a lot of coin-in to generate such offers or this casino was very generous with its offers.

I'm guessing your initial $60,000 invested created about a half-million of coin-in.
link to original post

The offers in Pennsylvania were higher than normal although not necessarily everywhere.

A few people theorized I used VP with a 99% hold and many hours of play but actually I used in Pennsylvania their slots with high hold machines and often played max to quickly lose. That doesn't work everywhere. Again, asking what works is ridiculous. Different things work in different locales.

There is a lot to what I do. It's not a cookie cutter situation.

Here are excerpts from an article from a few years ago.

Will we ever find out how your epic pinball journey ended? You left everyone with bated breath.

Quote: billryan

Will we ever find out how your epic pinball journey ended? You left everyone with bated breath.
link to original post

I did move on didn't I.

Since you requested I will finish it next before moving onto the last part of this golden Nugget adventure.

Part 17 is being prepped. Expect it by tomorrow at the latest.

In my opinion part 17 will be the most eye opening chapter in this thread especially if you multi-card.

Part 18 will be perhaps the most important for advantage player's especially who operate on the East Coast.

We are coming to the end of this long journey. Part 19 should be the concluding chapter.

Check in by tomorrow for part 17.

Got word by carrier pigeon that someone was
strictly APing that east ocean last night. Sorry I couldn’t make it since it’s mom’s day

Quote: darkoz

Part 17 is being prepped. Expect it by tomorrow at the latest.

In my opinion part 17 will be the most eye opening chapter in this thread especially if you multi-card.

Part 18 will be perhaps the most important for advantage player's especially who operate on the East Coast.

We are coming to the end of this long journey. Part 19 should be the concluding chapter.

Check in by tomorrow for part 17.
link to original post

looking forward to chapter 17 but thread seems to be detailed by the $1200 discussion

Quote: avianrandy

Quote: darkoz

Part 17 is being prepped. Expect it by tomorrow at the latest.

In my opinion part 17 will be the most eye opening chapter in this thread especially if you multi-card.

Part 18 will be perhaps the most important for advantage player's especially who operate on the East Coast.

We are coming to the end of this long journey. Part 19 should be the concluding chapter.

Check in by tomorrow for part 17.
link to original post

looking forward to chapter 17 but thread seems to be detailed by the $1200 discussion
link to original post

Yes, hopefully they can split that discussion out to it's own thread

Part 17:

It's a bit long but I believe you will find this post very compelling!

To recap, I was caught using multiple player's cards at the Valley Forge casino in November and December of 2016. I have related the whole crazy operation.

The Valley Forge was obviously feeling some kinda way and I fully expected some retaliation. I understood they would contact casinos in other territories. But I had confidence in my abilities that I could overcome any expected consequences.

What I didn't expect were several experiences where I was summarily surrounded by security so they could detain me for pick up by police on a warrant due to what they referred to as the "incident in Pennsylvania."

A warrant that did not nor ever did exist!

But why would casinos believe I had a warrant when at no time in my life have I ever had a warrant issued in my name? Were they just being dramatic, a misunderstanding? Or had the Valley Forge casino actually lied in their documents? If they lied in writing that's what we would refer to as Libel.

And while I suspected as such I had no proof as they obviously didn't share this info with me.

Until I was sent those very documents two years later as part of the twenty page dossier supplied by the Golden Nugget. Again, thank you very much, Golden Nugget!

I have shown you guys previously one of those documents. It's the one that details how much freeplay I had on each player card and how they caught me again using a mask. Here it is again and I circled the header to bring your attention to it.



So what is so important about that header? Well as you see I redacted some of the contact info and blacked out the letterhead logos. And here is why!

Those actually are NOT DOCUMENTS from the Valley Forge casino. They didn't send out any or at least none I was supplied. There appears to have been no written correspondence between the Valley Forge casino and other casinos!

So who wrote that document you just viewed? Well take a look at the redaction, now uncovered including the identifying logo letterhead for you to peruse.



That's right! The casinos were contacted in writing by the Pennsylvania state police! And in particular they issued as you can see a BOLO!!!!

BOLO - Be On The Lookout!

A BOLO is used by police and authorities when they require help from the public or in this case, the casinos to locate someone. Usually but not always it's for a wanted criminal! And if you are old enough, you probably are thinking that sounds like an APB or All Points Bulletin! So what is the difference?

None! They are just different terminology for the same request.



Yes, I was an advantage Player using legal techniques of advantage play without having ever been charged with a crime and yet the police had issued an APB/BOLO on me!

Now to be fair, a BOLO isn't necessarily used just to apprehend criminals. For example, missing children or kidnapped victims, etc may have APB's issued.

However the Pennsylvania state police were NOT ambiguous about what they wanted me for. Here is that same BOLO with the reasons (redacted by me above) now visible for you to see.



WOW!!!! Access Device Fraud? Theft by deception?

These are not general terms for crimes. They are actual statute law with criminal penalties if convicted. Take for example theft by deception. It's criminal in both Pennsylvania and New Jersey not to mention most states.







So I was accused of felonies that could result in up to seven years in prison and this was codified by the Pennsylvania police in official documents sent to every major casino as far north as Massachusetts, as far South as Maryland and as far West as Delaware based on what information I gleaned from the Golden Nugget dossier! I have reason to believe based on some forum posts I have read this document was distributed as far away as California!

But we can't ignore the first paragraph of that BOLO! If you go back the first paragraph says I informed the officers I had permission to use the cards and "...this was confirmed by troopers...via phone!"

Wait a minute! They actually described how they confirmed I was NOT COMMITTING the crimes of theft by deception and access device fraud as defined by statute law (which is precisely why I never had an arrest or a warrant!).

Let's put this into perspective with a similar hypothetical situation.

Let's say your friend rents a car and allows you to drive it. You get pulled over and the officer notes your name is not the one on the rental agreement. He asks you to confirm you have permission from the named driver and you call your friend who confirms he gave permission. The officer thanks you and allows you to drive off.

Then he goes back to the precinct, issues an APB distributed to every car rental agency in six states with the words "GRAND THEFT AUTO" as the header.

Oh, but he describes how he confirmed you were not actually commiting grand theft auto in the body of the APB.

Now what do you think will happen when you go into car rental agencies and the first thing they pull up on you is a BOLO on you for Grand Theft Auto? Do you think they will bother to read how it's not true in the letter or just stall you while they summon the police?

Now I am pretty certain this qualifies as Libel. In fact, it was this type of misleading information in writing that put the Griffin Agency into bankruptcy!






Yes, I did approach a few attorneys.

Unfortunately, there is a problem with pursuing Libel in this situation. It was issued by the police!!!

Remember that Valley Forge seems to have issued absolutely nothing in writing directly? It all came from the police and I believe they did this purposefully because the police have very powerful immunities from Libel.

After all, their whole job consists of making written statements based on incomplete facts. Imagine an APB for someone accused of murder, they are able to show they are not guilty and now they want to sue the police for Libel! For doing their jobs!

So the Valley Forge really stooped low on this one. Lower than I imagined but hey, we are dealing with casinos who think they can get away with anything.

But if you think that was the ONLY police department that issued an APB on me, nope, it's not!

New Jersey police issued one also although the BOLO is written in small print at the bottom



Once again, WOW!

A few things to digest in that BOLO! First they laughingly show a picture of me in my disguise and next to it a picture of my real face BEHIND BARS! (The bars of the casino cage at the Valley Forge, no less, so check out your attempts at psychological coercion).

But hey, a picture of me behind bars isn't gonna set off alarm bells right?

Oh and what is it the New Jersey police say I am wanted for? Look at the top of that BOLO again. It specifies SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY!

WAIT A MINUTE! WHAT? What happened to Pennsylvania's headlines of theft by deception and access device fraud? How did I get downgraded to just being suspicious?

Oh, I get it! The New Jersey police ACTUALLY DID READ the Pennsylvania BOLO and realized it was bullshit! I wasn't guilty of those crimes because they pretty much say so in the documents small print.

However that didn't stop them from issuing an APB on me anyway!

Just to protect themselves, they just list the not criminal charge of being suspicious. Further, just to prove they understood that I wasn't in any legal jeopardy, the NJ police made certain to ACTUALLY put that in writing.



"At this time there are no criminal charges pending for the subject but be aware he was last observed at Resorts and at the Golden Nugget."

I had one of those head smacking moments when I read that! An APB issued for someone with NO PENDING CRIMINAL CHARGES!!! Be On The Lookout for this guy!!! And do exactly what when the casinos located me? What exactly did they want or expect the casinos to do? They can't call for the police because as they point out I wasn't wanted by the police!

And if you really want a good laugh, how about a description of this suspicious activity? I mean, what was it they observed me doing that was suspicious?

Lucky for us they spelled it out.



"More specifically, (I) was observed using multiple slot vouchers which were then transferred to other slot machines to take advantage of the casinos promotional system (comps)"

ARE THEY SERIOUS??? I switched slot machines because I was bored and wanted to play a different game so that was suspicious? (Because I guarantee you switching slot machines doesn't do anything for earning comps, lol).

If that's actually how little they understood of how I operated I was running rings around these people. That's certainly what they observed I suppose. I gambled for real and walked around trying my luck at different slots!

Now, many of you read about my home invasion in January of 2019 where a lot of my casino cards were stolen. Some people accused me of being haughty and so proud that I felt I could do a better investigation than the police because I refused to get them involved.

But I was already in possession of these documents showing police were taking a proactive role in preventing my advantage play. Imagine if Las Vegas metro issued APB's on card counters as suspicious activity?

If the police did recover my cache of stolen casino cards they were more likely to bundle them up with a picture of me and the words access device fraud on top of a letter to the casino saying I claimed possession of them before they were going to hand them back to me.

It's clear to me the police WANT what I do to be a crime. But it's not! And I insult their view of justice in the world for them to issue what you have now seen for yourselves.

But in many ways, the police and the casinos fear that fact. Oh, they wouldn't fear what I do if it was criminal! They would just approach the District Attorney and file charges.

They fear me because they CAN'T!

And as I went through this wonderful discovery supplied by the Golden Nugget in my trespassing case of the Golden Nugget AC Vs. Darkoz, I realized that I had become the most feared AP on the East Coast!

To be continued!

When you decide to turn this into a book or movie you'll have to add the key missing element:

THE IMPACT ON DARKOZ AND HIS FAMILY AND LIFE.

Right now it's just a battle of Darkoz vs the casinos. But there's nothing to make us want to follow the story... we only want to see the conclusion.

But if you told us about how this impacted you and your life and your family it would be more compelling.

Quote: AlanMendelson

When you decide to turn this into a book or movie you'll have to add the key missing element:

THE IMPACT ON DARKOZ AND HIS FAMILY AND LIFE.

Right now it's just a battle of Darkoz vs the casinos. But there's nothing to make us want to follow the story... we only want to see the conclusion.

But if you told us about how this impacted you and your life and your family it would be more compelling.
link to original post

I agree!

I have written memoirs that chronicle how it's affected my family.

Advantage Play has for the most part pulled my family together. I would say we all joined in the effort wholeheartedly.

I did discuss how my daughter refused to get involved at Valley Forge due to its small footprint and her fear for her husband of color and his safety where state troopers are involved.

But by 2016 the family was pretty much an AP family and they don't come into this portion of my memoirs with as much importance as when I first began.

Quote: darkoz

Quote: AlanMendelson

When you decide to turn this into a book or movie you'll have to add the key missing element:

THE IMPACT ON DARKOZ AND HIS FAMILY AND LIFE.

Right now it's just a battle of Darkoz vs the casinos. But there's nothing to make us want to follow the story... we only want to see the conclusion.

But if you told us about how this impacted you and your life and your family it would be more compelling.
link to original post

I agree!



I have written memoirs that chronicle how it's affected my family.

Advantage Play has for the most part pulled my family together. I would say we all joined in the effort wholeheartedly.

I did discuss how my daughter refused to get involved at Valley Forge due to its small footprint and her fear for her husband of color and his safety where state troopers are involved.

But by 2016 the family was pretty much an AP family and they don't come into this portion of my memoirs with as much importance as when I first began.
link to original post

Time to ruin this place’s mail just to flush out the rats 🐀. I hate rats

Calling all cars, calling all cars… Be on the lookout for Parts 18 & 19… They were last seen in the vicinity of GNAC… Known associates: Darkoz and multiple family members… Wanted for questioning regarding winning at a casino… Public Enemy Numbers One and Two! Please consider them armed (with multiple player’s cards) and dangerous (to casino’s bottom lines)!

Quote: Seedvalue

Quote: darkoz

Quote: AlanMendelson

When you decide to turn this into a book or movie you'll have to add the key missing element:

THE IMPACT ON DARKOZ AND HIS FAMILY AND LIFE.

Right now it's just a battle of Darkoz vs the casinos. But there's nothing to make us want to follow the story... we only want to see the conclusion.

But if you told us about how this impacted you and your life and your family it would be more compelling.
link to original post

I agree!



I have written memoirs that chronicle how it's affected my family.

Advantage Play has for the most part pulled my family together. I would say we all joined in the effort wholeheartedly.

I did discuss how my daughter refused to get involved at Valley Forge due to its small footprint and her fear for her husband of color and his safety where state troopers are involved.

But by 2016 the family was pretty much an AP family and they don't come into this portion of my memoirs with as much importance as when I first began.
link to original post

Time to ruin this place’s mail just to flush out the rats 🐀. I hate rats
link to original post

Have you tried them fricasseed? Fricasseeing anything generally improves it.

Quote: billryan

Quote: Seedvalue

Quote: darkoz

Quote: AlanMendelson

When you decide to turn this into a book or movie you'll have to add the key missing element:

THE IMPACT ON DARKOZ AND HIS FAMILY AND LIFE.

Right now it's just a battle of Darkoz vs the casinos. But there's nothing to make us want to follow the story... we only want to see the conclusion.

But if you told us about how this impacted you and your life and your family it would be more compelling.
link to original post

I agree!



I have written memoirs that chronicle how it's affected my family.

Advantage Play has for the most part pulled my family together. I would say we all joined in the effort wholeheartedly.

I did discuss how my daughter refused to get involved at Valley Forge due to its small footprint and her fear for her husband of color and his safety where state troopers are involved.

But by 2016 the family was pretty much an AP family and they don't come into this portion of my memoirs with as much importance as when I first began.
link to original post

Time to ruin this place’s mail just to flush out the rats 🐀. I hate rats
link to original post

Have you tried them fricasseed? Fricasseeing anything generally improves it.
link to original post

I was hoping for some more interesting discussion about the last part than this.

That's for everyone not just Bill!

Well geez, darkoz! It distills down to, you found an advantage, they think they busted you, you are pretty sure they are full of bull, and you have documents.

SO WHAT HAPPENED IN COURT????!!!!!!

These are all places Mrs and I played, and a couple of them (Borgata, Mohegan Pocono) that we’ve played often. VF and GN not so much, but we’re recreational players, and we don’t like the vibe at either place. But because we’ve been there, I can see the action in my mind’s eye.

WHAT HAPPENED!

Fair enough, but please don't confuse lack of posts with lack of interest.
I'm travelling and yet constantly open WOV and lookup this thread waiting for part 19.
A story well told seldom generates discussions. It is vagueness and confusion in storytelling that create more debate, and we have plenty of threads like that around here...so take it as a compliment

Quote: tyler498

Fair enough, but please don't confuse lack of posts with lack of interest.
I'm travelling and yet constantly open WOV and lookup this thread waiting for part 19.
A story well told seldom generates discussions. It is vagueness and confusion in storytelling that create more debate, and we have plenty of threads like that around here...so take it as a compliment
link to original post

Well spoken. Thank you!

I'll second what Tyler said. It's like a TV series cliffhanger. (Is that still a thing?) I don't want to talk about it, I just want the week to fly by so I can tune in again and see how it resolves!

I'm pretty sure the state took the death penalty off the table.

Part 18:

(Well, I hope you guys find this particular part the most important one in the entire thread. Even more important than the ultimate conclusion next part.)

After the last few parts discussed how this whole odyssey began at the Valley Forge in 2016, we can now return to January of 2019, when as I previously discussed, I was in court for a scheduling hearing, the judge wanted both parties to see if we could come to a resolution without trial and that failed. Trial was scheduled for two months later in April of 2019.

On that particular occasion, if you recall, my attorney was late and I sat in the court listening to some of the cases heard. one or two were about traffic issues and I zoned out but then came a case of trespassing in a casino. So with some interest, I paid close scrutiny to the proceedings.

This person had actually signed a trespassing document due to a prior incident involving drunk and disorderly with I believe the Tropicana excluding him for two years. He went into the Tropicana regardless about six months later and now found himself in court facing trespassing charges.

The plaintiff admitted all this but still claimed he was not guilty of trespassing. The judge asked what his defense was to make such a claim. and his response was N.J.S.A 2C:18-3 D[2]!

Okay, I know he didn't say it like that but basically he was claiming he was not guilty of trespassing due to the law which is statute as listed above.

I grinned wryly when I heard him utilize this defense as I myself was fully aware of it. It is statute law that if you use this defense you simply are not guilty of trespassing EVEN IF you have been trespassed from that location before... as long as you can prove the two aspects of the statute.

Here it is for you to read.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------




==========================================================================================================================

It's NOT just a defense! It's listed specifically as an AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE! That isn't just a nice action verb. Here is the definition of an Affirmative Defense.

==========================================================================================================================



==========================================================================================================================

All this plaintiff had to prove was that the Tropicana was open to the public at the time and he wasn't doing anything unlawful at the time! And then he isn't trespassing! Even though the Tropicana had a document he signed stating he acknowledges he can't re-enter!

I know this sounds shocking to most people but that's the law in New Jersey and as we shall see, it really should be the law everywhere and not because I am an advantage player who has wishful thinking.

To understand the power of that law, let's examine the landmark Uston V, Resorts International lawsuit from 1981. Ken Uston, a gifted card counter sued Resorts because he was trespassed for card counting. Most people on this forum are aware of this and that as a result card counters cannot be asked to leave from the premises of New Jersey casinos. But most people also mistakenly believe that the court decided card counting was permissible and therefore the casinos could not trespass people for it. That is actually INCORRECT!

Actually, the court did not know if card counting was illegal or not! They felt that was a decision to be made by the Casino Control Commission which was given such powers by the N.J. state legislature in the Casino Control Act. The high court actually kicked it back to the Commission to decide if Card Counting was illegal.

=============================================================================================================================



=============================================================================================================================

We might all be sitting in a different world if the Commission had determined card counting violated the law. That might have spread to all jurisdictions. As we know, they didn't act on the 90 days the court gave the commission to make a decision.

Absent criminalizing card counting, the N.J.S.A 13C, the trespassing statutes of N.J. became the backbone of the Uston decision. Since card counting isn't illegal, AND since the casinos are open to the public, a patron has a right to enter the premises whether he was caught card counting or not.

You don't have to think hard to realize this applies not just to card counting. Any advantage play in which a patron is complying with all lawful conditions and the casino is open to the public, be it hole carding, edge sorting or multi-carding, is protected by the statute!

From the Uston Decision [judges findings];

=============================================================================================================================



=============================================================================================================================

if you still doubt that someone can be evicted and then use N.J.S.A 2C:18-3 Affirmative Defense, let's take a look at when that was challenged. In 1994, N.J. V. Morse, David Morse re-entered the Trump Plaza after being formally evicted TWICE! He was found guilty of defiant trespassing in the city municipal court and argued his right to entry under the backbone of the Uston case, Affirmative Defense.

Here is how that went;

==============================================================================================================================



==============================================================================================================================



==============================================================================================================================

So, now that's statute law, and Uston V. Resorts legal precedent AND State V. Morse also setting precedent.

The law in New Jersey cannot be any clearer.

SO, just why did N.J. go in this radical direction? After all, all the other states in our glorious union give proprietors the right to exclude who they want when they want for as little as NO reason given [as long as it doesn't infringe on protected classes like race, religion, etc].

Wait a minute. Hold up!

That whole protected classes thing isn't really that old, now is it?

You might be surprised to learn that New Jersey's idea of the right to access of public places is actually the ORIGINAL NORM! Before the passing of the fourteenth amendment, all citizens had the right to access of public places, even privately owned places that were open to the public could not refuse service anywhere in the country.

But then that pesky fourteenth amendment made all people of color citizens!

From the Uston decision:

===========================================================================================================================



===========================================================================================================================



===========================================================================================================================



=========================================================================================================================

Yes, that's right! we are here in a country where people can be denied access for no reason, simply because a business owner wishes to exclude someone because of the racism in America! It would take 100 years for civil rights acts to end the practice of refusing services based on color and race and religion.

By then, the damage was done. If not for the racism in this country, card counters and any advantage players would have the same protections against expulsion as enjoyed in New Jersey.

Getting back to my own situation, not only was I evicted from a casino open to the public but the reason they listed wasn't even that I did something ON THEIR PREMISES!!! They evicted me for the actions I did in Pennsylvania! It's in their own documents.

==============================================================================================================================



=========================================================================================================================



=========================================================================================================================

This action they undertook is SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED in State V. Morse where the aspect of a casino being able to evict someone due to behavior in another property is discussed. Here is the relevant passage.

============================================================================================================================



============================================================================================================================

So, by N.J. statute, if a person is CONVICTED of THREE CRIMES in ATLANTIC CITY CASINOS, then they can be placed on a blacklist DUE TO THE ACTIONS ON OTHER PROPERTIES!

And the decision specifically states that this right to blacklist a patron is by the N.J. statute vested ONLY WITH THE GAMING COMMISSION!

=============================================================================================================================



============================================================================================================================

Under the gaming act, I cannot be excluded by the gaming commission even because I certainly haven't been convicted of the requisite three crimes in Atlantic City casinos. I haven't even been charged with a single crime. And if I had been convicted of two different crimes INSIDE AC CASINOS I still couldn't be blacklisted from the others because it takes three convictions!

Meanwhile, the Golden Nugget evicted me for something that wasn't illegal and that didn't even occur in New Jersey!

I know for a fact, that I have been illegally evicted from the premises of the Golden Nugget and Resorts International. The legal aspects of my argument are insurmountable by the above evidence.

Which finally brings us back to that court room where I was watching a trial and the defendant had just raised his right to access of a public place of business as upheld by the courts in Uston, as upheld by the courts in Morse, as upheld by the law in N.J. trespassing 18C-3!

Here is how his defense turned out!

The judge listened intently and then gave her ruling: "I am well aware of the statute of N.J.S.A 18C-3 and I don't agree with it. You can't convince me that a casino has to let back in someone who they've excluded! The whole purpose of an exclusion letter would be negated if that was the case. I find you guilty of defiant trespassing. I assess you a $500 fine. You may appeal the decision if you wish, that is your right."

I sat there stunned!!! The judge just threw out the law!!! She basically, no literally, said she didnt agree with statute law and was going to make her decisions based on how she felt. She didn't apparently have to follow the laws of the state of New Jersey which she swore an oath to uphold.

After this, I went before that same judge as you know for scheduling of my trial and it was set for two months later. Afterwards, I mentioned this appalling scenario to my attorney. Here is what he had to say.

"Lower court judges often do that. They find the person guilty against the precedent or the statute. But it will most definitely get overturned on appeal."

"So, then what's the point?" I practically screamed in frustration.

"The point is an appeal will cost about ten grand! 99% of defendants will just pay the $500 because it's a lot cheaper. And the few who push through to defend their name will pay ten grand for it. So, the judge gets justice one way or the other at least in her eyes."

"So, it's just an extortion racket? The criminal justice system violates the law for cash!"

"Well," my attorney warned me, "that's why we have to convince the judge that you definitely aren't guilty. Because even if you wind up victorious on appeal, you will be a loser overall."

==========================================================================================================================

There are plenty of reasons Advantage Players give to console what their actions are. You have heard some of them.

The Robin Hood argument. AP is just taking from the rich and giving to the poor. I don't subscribe to that. I am the first to admit I give the money mostly to myself, although I certainly feed plenty of people due to the nature of what I do.

Then there is the David versus Goliath argument. It's just taking down the big guy. He deserves it. I don't subscribe to that one either. Casinos are just business like any other. I don't begrudge Coke a cola or Disney for being giant conglomerates. Why should I begrudge the casinos.

And there is the Deep Pockets argument. The casinos can afford it so why be concerned. I certainly don't subscribe to that one. Deep pockets or not, someone should not be victimized and I know only too well that even if my own footprint is small as an AP, the casinos can die from a thousand little cuts.

Finally, there is the Evil Empire argument. The casinos do everything to addict the poor ploppies so what's so bad about sticking it back to them? Nope, I don't subscribe to that argument either. Without those ploppies, I wouldn't be in business either. And casinos are just offering entertainment. Patrons need to be responsible for their own actions.

So, just what is my philosophy? It's that we all are Advantage Players. The casinos are kings of advantage play. Their entire business model is based on offering games with a decided advantage in their favor.

Even Ploppies are Advantage Players.. They aren't educated to how to do it properly. They rub the plastic slot screens or make up mumbo jumbo like it's better to play at four AM because it's right before the machines are emptied and they still are flush with the days cash and due to pay out. These are just people trying to find an advantage but don't know how.

Even a three year old is an Advantage Player. He asks his Mommy for something and when the answer is no, he doubles his odds by asking his Dad. And it doesn't take long for him to deduce which parent he has an advantage with when it comes to asking.

This court situation was just another Advantage Play. Make people pay by finding them guilty and they have to pay the fine or pay the appeal. I am pretty certain the casinos know this (of course they do) which is why a few posters in this thread have said they too were charged with trespassing when it simply wasn't true.

But when even those people who claim to be on a higher moral standing, a higher level of supporting justice simply resort to the advantage play, how can I feel any guilt about doing it myself? I didn't take any oaths to uphold the law. Where are the sanctimonius arguments for that?

But if there is one thing an AP hates, it's being on the receiving end of an Advantage Play. No, that's not hypocritical. It just goes to our sense of gamesmanship. AP's like to dominate. And as you can see, don't we all.

There was no doubt in my mind that I would win on appeal if I was found guilty of trespassing. Certainly, I could prove that the Golden Nugget was open to the public and I was obeying all lawful conditions required to remain on the premises, the very parameters needed to claim affirmative defense to trespassing in N.J.

But it would mean losing to the state justice system Advantage Play.

And I wasn't having that.

As my attorney stated, I had to make certain the judge found my testimony absolutely credible, the testimony of the Securtiy guards questionable, and found me not guilty of defiant trespassing!

It was time to go to trial!

To Be Continued

Yes, judges do rule contrary to what legislative laws might say. That is subject to appeal and that's how case laws are created. Its also part of the checks and balances of our government and constitution.

But... we all want to find out what happened to you.

Please dont let us down. After all this I hope it's a great ending.

All of it is great. Part 18 is absolutely excellent.

There's a ton of imprecision in this thread as to what is "illegal" as well as what is the law. It is not a violation of law "illegal" for a casino to direct people against using their player cards according to internal rules. As well, the common law trespassing laws aren't different from the way the trial judge interpreted them against the defendant mentioned otherwise they would become meaningless. As far as trumpeting a section of law that states that trespassing laws may not be enforced against law abiding casino goers, that refers not just to the present state of the casino goer, but to prior behavior, meaning that if someone is ejected for cause, the trespass ejectment stands as a bar to future entry. Even if you don't know or understand the law, a little common sense is all that is needed here!

The CURRENT law is that if ejected for CAUSE, you're out of there! No affirmative defense.

Quote: AlanMendelson

Yes, judges do rule contrary to what legislative laws might say. That is subject to appeal and that's how case laws are created. Its also part of the checks and balances of our government and constitution.

But... we all want to find out what happened to you.

Please dont let us down. After all this I hope it's a great ending.
link to original post

I'm pretty sure he avoided the death penalty.