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June 1st, 2018 at 9:45:25 AM permalink
I thought of making this as a working thread for the two 'new' properties set to open in Atlantic City this month. Hard Rock Hotel & Casino Atlantic City and Ocean Resort Casino Atlantic City are both set to open on Thursday, June 28th. I am sure with being less than a month from opening, we will start to receive more extensive details regarding the properties. Here is the information we have so far:

Hard Rock Hotel & Casino

- Granted New Jersey gaming license. Set to open on 6/28 at 12:00 Noon.
- Property will feature 1,972 guestrooms and suites. (Tip: As of 6/1 at 12 noon, all suite categories are the same rate. While this makes little business sense, they haven't caught it yet. The rank of suites go in the following order (lowest to highest), so if your in the market for a badass suite for an AC summer getaway, book the highest one that has availability: South Tower Fillmore Suite, South Tower Apollo Suite (Bay, Ocean) North Tower Celebrity Suite, South Tower Rehearsal Studio Suite and South Tower Roxy Suite.)
- There will be a nightly $15 resort fee in addition to applicable taxes. You will need a credit or debit card to pay upon checkin to cover room, tax, resort fees and a $150/night incidental deposit.
- 119,657 square feet of gaming space inclusive of 2,144 slots and 120 table games.
- The property will not feature a poker room (at least upon opening.)
- There are plans for a sports book, but they have not made any formal announcement. (There is also word they may have an issue getting a sports book due to the ownership having an affiliation with a professional sports team (NFL-Miami Dolphins). Borgata (WNBA-Vegas Aces), Golden Nugget (NBA-Houston Rockets) and the Caesars properties (NBA-Boston Celtics) are having the same issue.
- 20 Restaurants including a 553 seat buffet, 328 seat seafood restaurant, 172 seat asian bistro and 400 seat signature Hard Rock Cafe.
- Additional Amenities include: Rock Spa (Hard Rock's signature spa brand), Body Rock (a fully equipped fitness center), Indoor Pool with sundeck, Nightclub (no details yet), Beach Service, a Howie Mandel branded comedy club and two entertainment venues. Hard Rock Live at the Etess Arena will have a seating capacity of 7,000 while The Theater will allow for 1,500 seated and 2,100 standing.
-Tier Match / Complimentary Room Offer: Hard Rock is planning on a tier match for local competitors (AC and some PA casinos) but detailed information has yet to be released. They are offering a 25% discount on room rates to practically anyone. All you will need is a basic level players card from their listed competitors. They are also offering a tier based complimentary 1 or 2 night stay (valid one time, multiple reservations will be cancelled.) This is an awesome value. Full details can be found here (including what each competitor card will get you): Hard Rock Hotel & Casino Room Rate Tier Match

Ocean Resort Casino
- Has not yet applied for a New Jersey gaming license. Set to open on 6/28 at 3:00 PM.
- Property will feature 1,399 guestrooms and suites. Tip: Ocean Resort Casino will be affiliated with Hyatt Hotels & Resorts as a part of their Unbound Collection. You will be able to earn and redeem World of Hyatt rewards points at the property.
- There will be a nightly $20 resort fee in addition to applicable taxes. You will need a credit or debit card to pay upon checkin to cover room, tax, resort fees and a $100/stay incidental deposit.
- 138,000 square feet of gaming space inclusive of 2,200 slots and 100 table games.
- The property will also feature a poker room.
- There are plans for a 7,500 square foot sports book. The book will be operated by William Hill. (For those familiar with the former Revel property, it will be in the 'Social' space. Awesome central location.)
- 13 Restaurants including a American Cut (upscale steakhouse), Dolce Mare (Italian), Zhen Bang Noodles (Asian/Noodle Bar), Cereal Town ("cereals from around the world") and a Wahlburgers.
- Additional Amenities include: Exhale Spa by Hyatt, Fitness Center, 6 Pools (including one indoor pool and one salt water), an expansive sundeck with cabanas, Day & Nightclub (HQ2), Burlesque Nightclub (Ivan Kane's Royal Jelly) and Ovation Hall, a 5,500 seat entertainment and event center.
-Tier Match / Complimentary Room Offer: Ocean Resort has said they will offer a tier match upon opening. They have not released any information as of yet. They are offering casino rated and complimentary rooms based your play when Revel was open (the database was included in the sale.) To check if you are eligible for the above, call Ocean Resort reservations at (866) 50-OCEAN.

Again, I plan to update this thread as we learn more about both properties.
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June 1st, 2018 at 10:03:32 AM permalink
Can someone explain their reasoning for wanting to open on the same day?
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June 1st, 2018 at 10:17:41 AM permalink
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Can someone explain their reasoning for wanting to open on the same day?



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June 1st, 2018 at 10:19:09 AM permalink
Update already...

Ocean Resort Casino has posted the benefits by tier level for the players club on their website. They will have a four tier program. You can find the benefit chart here.

Some items of interest on the chart I noticed are: complimentary self and valet parking are only a benefit at the highest (black) tier level. This is exceptionally stingy as every other Atlantic City property offers this at the level just above base. It also appears that they will offer separate VIP lounges for the Platinum and Black tiers. Resort fees are also waived for the Black tier which is a nice little perk.

This may be a little 'nitpicky' however, it is just an unnecessary annoyance in my opinion. All tier levels received 2X comps every day. You need to opt in (presumably by kiosk) at the Blue and Gold levels. At Platinum and Black you do not need to do this. It just seems petty to make the lower two tiers go to a kiosk and swipe.

Hard Rock Hotel & Casino has not yet released the benefits by tier. What we do know so far is that they will have a three tier program. The tiers in escalating order are named as follows: Wild Card Premier, Wild Card Elite and Wild Card Rock Royalty. We could also assume based on the complimentary parking tier match page on their website, Wild Card Elite and above would receive complimentary self-parking. The link to that page is here.


More details to follow....
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June 1st, 2018 at 10:22:07 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Can someone explain their reasoning for wanting to open on the same day?



I would assume Ocean was hoping Hard Rock would bring in enough people to the city for the opening that they would check both out the same day. Can't say I dislike the strategy, but I would have opened the day before or after, this way each property gets it own day in the spotlight.
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June 1st, 2018 at 10:23:07 AM permalink
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Take some Business 101 courses and you can find answers to really stupid questions.



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June 1st, 2018 at 10:40:20 AM permalink
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I would assume Ocean was hoping Hard Rock would bring in enough people to the city for the opening that they would check both out the same day.
Can't say i dislike the strategy, but I would have opened the day before or after, this way each property gets it own day in the spotlight.


I think ocean is trying to take some of the spotlight out of hardrock's opening.

also, didn't know ocean hasn't received their license yet.
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June 1st, 2018 at 10:52:00 AM permalink
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Take some Business 101 courses and you can find answers to really stupid questions.



Wow. This, by a hair, gets a warning rather than a suspension. A very, very thin hair.
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June 1st, 2018 at 10:55:00 AM permalink
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I think ocean is trying to take some of the spotlight out of hardrock's opening.

also, didn't know ocean hasn't received their license yet.
hm.. Straub part II?



Yeah, they're definitely trying to take some of the spotlight. I was only suggesting they open the day before or after as a courtesy to Hard Rock, but it seems they had other ideas.

Definitely no license yet. The Casino Control Commission has said they will expedite the approval process, but I would get moving if I was Ocean...way too close to the opening date to risk any delays in the licensing process.
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June 1st, 2018 at 10:57:29 AM permalink
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New Information Already...

I just checked both websites and it seems Ocean Resort Casino has put up the benefits for their players club. It doesn't mention what play will get you to each tier, but here is the benefits chart: Ocean Resort Premier Players Club Benefits.

I will be a four tier program (Ocean Premier Blue Tier, Gold Tier, Platinum Tier and Black Tier). Some standouts from the chart are: Gold Tier and above are eligible for bounceback freeplay. Also, Platinum and Black will have VIP lounge access and it seems they have separate lounges. Black tier members will have waived resort fees, which is a nice perk. The stingiest perk seems to be only Black tier members will have complimentary self and valet parking. That will be a problem in Atlantic City as most properties offer free parking at the level just above base.

Another 'nitpicky' thing I found is while all tier levels are eligible for 2X Comps Every Day, only Platinum and Black don't have to opt-in. It just seems like an annoyance to make the two lower tiers have to walk to a kiosk to opt into it.

Hard Rock Hotel & Casino has no information yet about the benefits of its players club. What we know so far is it will be a three tier program (Wild Card Premier, Wild Card Elite and Wild Card Rock Royalty). It can also be pretty confidently assumed Free Self Parking will be at the Wild Card Elite Level based on the "tier match complimentary parking" page on their website: Tier Match Complimentary Parking .

More details to follow...



IMHO on a minor point.

The two biggest draws currently in AC are CET and Borgata. CET uses Platinum as a lower tier; why undervalue yours using that same, well-known name? Same but less confusing reference to Borgata and Black, but maybe that changed when they went all MGM? mlife now? I haven't been lately, but I was Black 14 years ago with them.

Ocean.

Blue, Aqua, Teal, Royal. 4 nice words, all shades of blue distinct at a glance. Why not that?

Like I said. Minor issue.
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June 1st, 2018 at 11:05:35 AM permalink
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IMHO on a minor point.

The two biggest draws currently in AC are CET and Borgata. CET uses Platinum as a lower tier; why undervalue yours using that same, well-known name? Same but less confusing reference to Borgata and Black, but maybe that changed when they went all MGM? mlife now? I haven't been lately, but I was Black 14 years ago with them.

Ocean.

Blue, Aqua, Teal, Royal. 4 nice words, all shades of blue distinct at a glance. Why not that?

Like I said. Minor issue.



Yes, Borgata switched over to Mlife now. Platinum is the highest tier you can earn. (They have a tier above it, Nior, but it is by invitation only with no pre-determined tier credit requirement.)

Spot on and I completely agree with the names of the Ocean tiers. Also should be noted, Tropicana uses Platinum and Black as tiers in their program. Black being the highest and Platinum below it (exactly as Ocean did it.) Missed opportunity to differentiate themselves for sure.
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June 1st, 2018 at 11:13:56 AM permalink
Quote: Jmarch79

I thought of making this as a working thread for the two 'new' properties set to open in Atlantic City this month.

Ocean Resort Casino

Again, I plan to update this thread as we learn more about both properties.



Most of this has already been compiled in the long-running Revel Sold thread.
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June 1st, 2018 at 11:20:13 AM permalink
Quote: ECoaster

Quote: Jmarch79

I thought of making this as a working thread for the two 'new' properties set to open in Atlantic City this month.

Ocean Resort Casino

Again, I plan to update this thread as we learn more about both properties.



Most of this has already been compiled in the long-running Revel Sold thread.



True. Good reference point.

However, new owners, new start, also includes HRAC, so seems reasonable to make a new thread.
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June 1st, 2018 at 11:28:28 AM permalink
Quote: ECoaster

Most of this has already been compiled in the long-running Revel Sold thread.



Agree, however, I thought this thread would be a good overall reference point for both properties opening, not just Ocean. It includes some tips as well as the players club info and not just copy/paste from articles.
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June 1st, 2018 at 3:57:05 PM permalink
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Complimentary self and valet parking are only a benefit at the highest (black) tier level. This is exceptionally stingy as every other Atlantic City property offers this at the level just above base.



Looks like Ocean Resort decided to change that policy already! (Or more likely, just made an error when launching that page this morning.

While showing someone the benefit chart a few minutes ago, they've now added complimentary self-parking at the Gold Tier and above. For valet, you will still need to have the Black card.
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June 1st, 2018 at 4:15:10 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

However, new owners, new start, also includes HRAC, so seems reasonable to make a new thread.



There are existing multi-page threads on the Hard Rock AC too.

Don't get me wrong... Jmarch's summaries are nice and no doubt include info that isn't in the other ones. But it does make the content more segmented and having both properties combined in one post this way will make it harder for people to sort through. This post should at least be edited with links to all the prior ones.
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June 1st, 2018 at 4:40:00 PM permalink
Quote: ECoaster

There are existing multi-page threads on the Hard Rock AC too.

Don't get me wrong... Jmarch's summaries are nice and no doubt include info that isn't in the other ones. But it does make the content more segmented and having both properties combined in one post this way will make it harder for people to sort through. This post should at least be edited with links to all the prior ones.



I just thought it would be fun to cover the developments of both properties leading to their openings. I will be there for the openings and was going to post a live report with pictures of the properties and my thoughts, gaming conditions, etc. If it is such a big deal that I stepped over your Revel Sold thread, the mods can feel free to take this one down. I do apologize if you found this to be disrespectful.

Thanks.
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June 1st, 2018 at 5:23:53 PM permalink
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I just thought it would be fun to cover the developments of both properties leading to their openings. I will be there for the openings and was going to post a live report with pictures of the properties and my thoughts, gaming conditions, etc. If it is such a big deal that I stepped over your Revel Sold thread, the mods can feel free to take this one down. I do apologize if you found this to be disrespectful.



It's really about the idea that those of us who are interested in these properties would prefer to have the updates and info organized and easy to find in just one or two posts.

That said, an opening week first-hand report with pics would be a great thing and VERY interesting. It wasn't clear that's where you planned to take this, but that would be worth a separate post IMO and I certainly wouldn't suggest deletion.
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June 2nd, 2018 at 6:18:39 AM permalink
Quote: ECoaster


That said, an opening week first-hand report with pics would be a great thing and VERY interesting. It wasn't clear that's where you planned to take this, but that would be worth a separate post IMO and I certainly wouldn't suggest deletion.



I apologize I should have been more specific with my intentions. Thanks!
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June 2nd, 2018 at 6:48:55 AM permalink
The Press of Atlantic City is reporting the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino will opening with two of the former tenants of the Trump Taj Mahal. Scores Gentleman's Club and Robert's Steakhouse will be returning when the property re-opens as the Hard Rock in 27 days.

I know Hard Rock was trying to avoid this from happening (while Scores was fighting hard for it). Scores neglected to renew their lease in 2015 and missed more than a year of lease payments. The matter went before the courts and apparently we ended up here.

On a personal level, on occasion, I can appreciate a good strip club. I went to Scores once while it was in the Taj and quite frankly, due to gaming requirements, etc., I got more of a show at the beach earlier that day. It was far from a good strip club. Not to mention, it also cheapens the property. Hard Rock is known as a great brand and I do not believe having this establishment in their property that they are dumping $500MM into adds any value to their brand (in fact, does quite the opposite.)

Robert's Steakhouse (named for Scores owner, Robert Gans) was just an average steakhouse food wise with a very trendy design. Hard Rock planned on bringing their Council Oak Steaks & Seafood concept to the Atlantic City property, and I am now unsure if this will now change due to the recent developments of Robert's returning. It would be a shame if they had to replace Council Oak. Each time I am at their Florida properties I look forward to visiting these restaurants - they truly do a great job. I just don't see them putting in two steakhouses in one property.

Will this change my intentions of visiting the Hard Rock? Absolutely not. However, I do think the addition of this tenant makes Ocean Resort look a little more desirable - specifically to families and groups/conventions that may have been considering the two properties.
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June 2nd, 2018 at 7:25:58 AM permalink
...Update...
(I did say being so close to opening we would get more information, but I wasn't expecting so much as once!)

Ocean Resort Casino has announced their tier match program. They are only matching Atlantic City casinos. Here is the chart of what each tier will upgrade you to at Ocean Resort.

Tips: If you don't have any of the cards that can get you automatically to the Black tier, you may have options:

If you have Total Rewards Diamond, bring that to Golden Nugget. They will upgrade you to Elite, which is worth Black at Ocean. Golden Nugget does however give you a special "Trade Up Elite Card" valid for 3 months, which it has not been determined yet if Ocean will accept. Note: This upgrade is only valid from June 1 - 30.

Another option would be is if you are a Pennsylvania player and have Parx Elite or Sugarhouse Signature, I am confidently assuming you would be upgraded to Hard Rock Rock Royalty based upon the room comp tier match they are offering. You could take either of those cards to Hard Rock first for that upgrade, which can then be upgraded to Black tier at Ocean Resort.
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June 3rd, 2018 at 7:01:52 PM permalink
I called Ocean Resort Casino today to inquire about a room for one night of their opening weekend. I thought as I am already booked at Hard Rock for two nights, it would be a good to try both hotels out to get the full experience.

The very polite agent asked for my name, DOB, etc to pull up my Revel information. Based on my Revel play, she was able to offer me a casino rate that was $150 less than their rack rate, but wasn't something I was interested in. I mentioned I would be participating in their tier match and would be their Black tier based on my 7 Stars status with CET. She then mentioned, based on that she would pass my information over to player development who would give me a call first thing Monday to set my stay up.

So, if anyone is interested in setting up a stay at Ocean, give them a ring. Good to know they actually have a player development team now. My first call to them back in late April or early May, they said they didn't have any hosts yet.

I was never a huge fan of Revel for a number of reasons, but my gut tells me Ocean just may get it right. They have the luxury of knowing everything that failed with Revel and the opportunity for a completely clean slate to correct them. Only time will tell...
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June 4th, 2018 at 1:28:27 AM permalink
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I called Ocean Resort Casino today to inquire about a room for one night of their opening weekend. I thought as I am already booked at Hard Rock for two nights, it would be a good to try both hotels out to get the full experience.

The very polite agent asked for my name, DOB, etc to pull up my Revel information. Based on my Revel play, she was able to offer me a casino rate that was $150 less than their rack rate, but wasn't something I was interested in. I mentioned I would be participating in their tier match and would be their Black tier based on my 7 Stars status with CET. She then mentioned, based on that she would pass my information over to player development who would give me a call first thing Monday to set my stay up.

So, if anyone is interested in setting up a stay at Ocean, give them a ring. Good to know they actually have a player development team now. My first call to them back in late April or early May, they said they didn't have any hosts yet.

I was never a huge fan of Revel for a number of reasons, but my gut tells me Ocean just may get it right. They have the luxury of knowing everything that failed with Revel and the opportunity for a completely clean slate to correct them. Only time will tell...



Well from what you've reported here, it seems like they are making the same mistakes Revel did already. I don't know how much less you played at Revel than CET, but rack rate -$150 is an insult from a property that should be looking for gamblers. (Gamblers wanted!) If you didn't helpfully volunteer that you were 7-stars at Caesars, they could have lost a valuable player forever before the place even opened.

Aside from that, does anyone know if Ocean plans to keep the Sky Garden intact from Revel with the pine trees and the firepits, accessible from the hotel hallway without going through the pool? That was one of my favorite places in AC.
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June 4th, 2018 at 10:07:34 AM permalink
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Well from what you've reported here, it seems like they are making the same mistakes Revel did already. I don't know how much less you played at Revel than CET, but rack rate -$150 is an insult from a property that should be looking for gamblers. (Gamblers wanted!) If you didn't helpfully volunteer that you were 7-stars at Caesars, they could have lost a valuable player forever before the place even opened.

Aside from that, does anyone know if Ocean plans to keep the Sky Garden intact from Revel with the pine trees and the firepits, accessible from the hotel hallway without going through the pool? That was one of my favorite places in AC.



I agree with you. In their defense though, my play at Revel started very strong and dwindled over time due to an inexperienced host and lackluster service across the entire property. It was truly amateur hour every trip there and it just became an annoyance. Currently though, I do think they should ask players on the phone where they play now, and what tier they are. Based on that information, screen what calls should be transferred over to player development. Like you said, if I didn't offer the information of my 7 Stars status, they would have disconnected the call and went on to the next one.

I would bet they are keeping the Sky Garden. Not sure what else they could put there. I completely agree with your sentiment, it was an awesome spot just to relax for a minute with a drink.
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June 4th, 2018 at 10:38:39 AM permalink
I'm already disappointed after seeing the carpet in the sports book. That makes me think they are going to change the entire decor and feel of the casino. That's one of the things I liked best about the casino. It was just a cool impressive place when it opened.

Ultimately I don't care what casinos look like as long as they offer +EV plays, but it's always a bonus if I'm impressed with everything else while I'm there.
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June 4th, 2018 at 7:16:54 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I'm already disappointed after seeing the carpet in the sports book. That makes me think they are going to change the entire decor and feel of the casino. That's one of the things I liked best about the casino. It was just a cool impressive place when it opened.

Ultimately I don't care what casinos look like as long as they offer +EV plays, but it's always a bonus if I'm impressed with everything else while I'm there.



I'm with you. Not a huge fan of the new carpet either. I do believe they are keeping the basic design though...I think you'll be pleasantly surprised once they open. Now if they only had an elevator that dropped you from the hotel to the floor without having to go over the river and through the woods, that would be awesome.
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June 4th, 2018 at 9:57:15 PM permalink
I think Hard Rock is way ahead of Ocean Resorts at this time. Ocean Resorts doesn’t even have a casino license yet though they are on the June adgenda with the CCC. They have the best showroom in town but haven’t announced a single show yet whereas Hard Rock has an extensive show lineup already. Their website needs a lot of work and gives very limited info on dining. I hope they prove me wrong but I can’t imagine they will be fully up and running on June 28. They are still actively recruiting applicants for several job openings. I think come June 28 Hard Rock is rolling strong while Ocean Resorts will start out slow.
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June 5th, 2018 at 9:10:17 AM permalink
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I think Hard Rock is way ahead of Ocean Resorts at this time. Ocean Resorts doesn’t even have a casino license yet though they are on the June adgenda with the CCC. They have the best showroom in town but haven’t announced a single show yet whereas Hard Rock has an extensive show lineup already. Their website needs a lot of work and gives very limited info on dining. I hope they prove me wrong but I can’t imagine they will be fully up and running on June 28. They are still actively recruiting applicants for several job openings. I think come June 28 Hard Rock is rolling strong while Ocean Resorts will start out slow.



Thanks Jerry. I hope you post more over here as you have a ton of AC knowledge that would be helpful.
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June 5th, 2018 at 9:43:21 AM permalink
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I think Hard Rock is way ahead of Ocean Resorts at this time. Ocean Resorts doesn’t even have a casino license yet though they are on the June adgenda with the CCC. They have the best showroom in town but haven’t announced a single show yet whereas Hard Rock has an extensive show lineup already. Their website needs a lot of work and gives very limited info on dining. I hope they prove me wrong but I can’t imagine they will be fully up and running on June 28. They are still actively recruiting applicants for several job openings. I think come June 28 Hard Rock is rolling strong while Ocean Resorts will start out slow.



You're absolutely correct. I can almost guarantee they will be opening short staffed and therefore, some of the amenities/dining options may not open when the property actually opens. I also said from the beginning their hiring process seemed rushed (a ton of open calls with hiring on the spot.) Hard Rock's hiring seemed very planned and they were trying to get the best of the best "Rock Stars" as they call them. They were also at least three months ahead with hiring than Ocean. My main issue with mass hiring in a crunch is you typically don't get the best of the best, and that was one of Revel's major downfalls - inconsistent levels of service.

Opening resorts of this size is not an easy task and there will definitely be bumps in the road. My fingers are crossed for both properties (and my toes are crossed for Ocean as well.)
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June 5th, 2018 at 9:53:39 AM permalink
Hard Rock Hotel & Casino announced the name of their nightclub. Daer Nightclub (pronounced: dare) will open the weekend the property is set to open. Daer will operate Friday - Sunday from 10PM - Close.

Information is on their website is limited, but there is a little 30 second teaser video here.
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June 5th, 2018 at 10:36:08 AM permalink
Ocean Resort Casino announced on Twitter it will offer free self-parking all summer long (through September 4th.) That should help them attract some people in.
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June 5th, 2018 at 3:11:17 PM permalink
Here in the NYC media market I'm seeing TV ads for Ocean Resort announcing the June 28th opening. They seemed pretty determined to come out swinging despite all the problems jerseynj listed. Have yet to see any mass market ads for Hard Rock tho.
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June 6th, 2018 at 10:29:57 AM permalink
Hard Rock Hotel & Casino has put their most of their restaurant line up on their website. It appears they are missing their quick serve options (White House Subs is returning! As well as a Starbucks and others.) You can find the restaurant line up here.

Some noteworthy items are: Il Mulino is returning. That wasn't even hinted at previously but quite a welcomed surprise. Il Mulino has been nothing but perfection every time I visited during its run at the Taj, so I hope it will return in the same fashion. Council Oak Fish will be a fresh seafood focused spin off of the popular Council Oak Seafood & Steak restaurants that are located at the Seminole Hard Rock Florida properties. Hard Rock Cafe will be open 24/7, which is awesome. Kuro, another transplant from the Seminole Hard Rock Hollywood, is high-end Japanese fare. Think of it as Hard Rock's take on the popular Nobu restaurant concept. The Sugar Factory was named most instagrammed restaurant in the United States - and for good reason. While their lunch and dinner menu is relatively average, people come there for the over-the-top desserts and cocktails. They're known for their King Kong sundae which includes 24 scoops of ice cream. It's something you just need to see to believe. If you're diabetic, I'd skip this one. Finally, the Fresh Harvest Buffet will be open daily for brunch and dinner. If this buffet is half as good as the Fresh Harvest Buffet at the Tampa property, the Hard Rock will have the best buffet in AC by miles.

Currently, you can make reservations for Council Oak Fish and Kuro on their website (link provided above.) I will be trying at least three of the restaurants there during their opening weekend and will be providing reviews in this thread of my experiences.

Edited to add: this Eater Philly link. They did a very nice write up, and you can even see a picture of one of the interesting drinks found at the Sugar Factory.
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June 6th, 2018 at 4:46:46 PM permalink
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Finally, the Fresh Harvest Buffet will be open daily for brunch and dinner. If this buffet is half as good as the Fresh Harvest Buffet at the Tampa property, the Hard Rock will have the best buffet in AC by miles.



Can you elaborate on what makes the Tampa buffet so good?

The best buffet I have ever been to was Caesars Palace in LV. Is the Tampa buffet better than that?

Bellagio for me is a close second because I love self-service drinks at the Coke Freestyle machines. I wish Borgata would add those to its buffet.
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June 6th, 2018 at 5:09:25 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

Can you elaborate on what makes the Tampa buffet so good?

The best buffet I have ever been to was Caesars Palace in LV. Is the Tampa buffet better than that?

Bellagio for me is a close second because I love self-service drinks at the Coke Freestyle machines. I wish Borgata would add those to its buffet.



No, Seminole Hard Rock Tampa's buffet isn't near as good as the Bacchanal at Caesars Palace. I am not a huge buffet guy, but what I loved about HR Tampa's was they had several action stations. At these stations a chef prepares the items fresh for you: (grilled steaks, sliders, pasta, omelets, salads, raw bar, hibachi, sushi, noodles, dim sum and crepes.) The problem why I am turned off from most buffets is the food sits too long and therefore isn't great. Having it made fresh fixes that problem.

Side note: I am a fan of the self-service freestyle machines as well. HR Tampa did not have them.
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June 6th, 2018 at 9:21:31 PM permalink
Hard Rock Hotel & Casino is now taking credit applications online here. I filled one out a couple of weeks ago that my host e-mailed to me. Let's just say they're being very generous for those that opened lines and have a good history with using credit at other properties. I also like how simple they've made it on their website - you can even electronically sign.

As typical with most (if not all) casino properties, you will be able to wire in front money if you prefer. Just like their Florida properties, they are using Bank of America.
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June 6th, 2018 at 9:47:46 PM permalink
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I'm already disappointed after seeing the carpet in the sports book. That makes me think they are going to change the entire decor and feel of the casino. That's one of the things I liked best about the casino. It was just a cool impressive place when it opened.

Ultimately I don't care what casinos look like as long as they offer +EV plays, but it's always a bonus if I'm impressed with everything else while I'm there.



Axel - where did you see the sports book -- I only saw a video of them building it - not that it was completed (I'd always assumed they would finish construction before putting the carpeting in -- dust and all)
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June 6th, 2018 at 11:28:22 PM permalink
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Axel - where did you see the sports book -- I only saw a video of them building it - not that it was completed (I'd always assumed they would finish construction before putting the carpeting in -- dust and all)

I thought someone here posted an article about their new sportsbook and there were pictures of the sportsbook and you could see the ugly carpet.

Not sure why I care about the carpet or notice it at casinos, but for some reason, I do but not enough to give it much more thought again after the first time. I dislike loud busy ugly carpet, especially floral patterns.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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June 6th, 2018 at 11:36:16 PM permalink
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I thought someone here posted an article about their new sportsbook and there were pictures of the sportsbook and you could see the ugly carpet.

Not sure why I care about the carpet or notice it at casinos, but for some reason, I do but not enough to give it much more thought again after the first time. I dislike loud busy ugly carpet, especially floral patterns.



I believe I posted a video and it showed the casino carpet - which is now an orange/yellow/blue color but the sports book is going to be where THE SOCIAL was and that had hard floors, not carpeting
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June 6th, 2018 at 11:49:47 PM permalink
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I dislike loud busy ugly carpet, especially floral patterns.



Then you must really dislike the Borgata. Probably the ugliest casino carpet I've ever seen.
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June 6th, 2018 at 11:57:47 PM permalink
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I believe I posted a video and it showed the casino carpet - which is now an orange/yellow/blue color but the sports book is going to be where THE SOCIAL was and that had hard floors, not carpeting

I didn't really pay attention to where the carpet was located, I just remember it was not as cool as the Revels carpet was, but I won't lose any sleep over it.

Jmarch79

I don't even remember what their carpet looks like.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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June 7th, 2018 at 12:19:00 AM permalink
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I don't even remember what their carpet looks like.



Way too busy and excessively floral.
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June 7th, 2018 at 1:35:59 PM permalink
Ocean Resort Casino has announced their restaurant line up. As with Hard Rock, the announcement is missing a quick serve/grab and go outlet or two. Eater Philly did an awesome write-up here.

Some noteworthy items are: Chef Jose Garces is returning with his Amada and Distrito outposts. Former Revel guests will remember Distrito as the taco truck just off the casino floor that also sold awesome margaritas. The 24/7 sit down option will be Cafe 500. If I had to make a guess, I would assume that is the former Relish space. Also returning is the upscale steakhouse, American Cut from Chef Marc Forgione. It always got great reviews, but for some reason every time I dined there, I always had an issue with something. A rock and roll themed restaurant dubbed Villain & Saint will also be an option. In addition, a barbecue outlet, Pit Boss BBQ & Beers, quicker italian at LaScala Pronto, famed burger joint by no other than Marky Mark and bros, Wahlburgers and dessert at Sweetie Pie Creamery are all coming to the resort. As typical, they will also have a Starbucks and not so typical, Cereal Town, described as a restaurant where you can try cereals from around the world. Hey, I am not going to knock that one until I try it.

I will say, they have a very diverse selection of restaurants. During the opening weekend, I am only spending a night at Ocean, so I plan to review 1 or 2 of the restaurants there initially.

The Ocean Resort Casino website has not been updated to reflect these restaurant announcements, so there is no way on their site to make reservations. They're also not on a third-party site (Open Table) as of yet either. I am sure they will be in the next week or so though.

Now if they could just get their darn gaming license so I believed they were really opening in exactly three weeks...
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June 7th, 2018 at 2:12:05 PM permalink
Quote: Jmarch79

Ocean Resort Casino has announced their restaurant line up. As with Hard Rock, the announcement is missing a quick serve/grab and go outlet or two. Eater Philly did an awesome write-up here.

Some noteworthy items are: Chef Jose Garces is returning with his Amada and Distrito outposts. Former Revel guests will remember Distrito as the taco truck just off the casino floor that also sold awesome margaritas. The 24/7 sit down option will be Cafe 500. If I had to make a guess, I would assume that is the former Relish space. Also returning is the upscale steakhouse, American Cut from Chef Marc Forgione. It always got great reviews, but for some reason every time I dined there, I always had an issue with something. A rock and roll themed restaurant dubbed Villain & Saint will also be an option. In addition, a barbecue outlet, Pit Boss BBQ & Beers, quicker italian at LaScala Pronto, famed burger joint by no other than Marky Mark and bros, Wahlburgers and dessert at Sweetie Pie Creamery are all coming to the resort. As typical, they will also have a Starbucks and not so typical, Cereal Town, described as a restaurant where you can try cereals from around the world. Hey, I am not going to knock that one until I try it.

I will say, they have a very diverse selection of restaurants. During the opening weekend, I am only spending a night at Ocean, so I plan to review 1 or 2 of the restaurants there initially.

The Ocean Resort Casino website has not been updated to reflect these restaurant announcements, so there is no way on their site to make reservations. They're also not on a third-party site (Open Table) as of yet either. I am sure they will be in the next week or so though.

Now if they could just get their darn gaming license so I believed they were really opening in exactly three weeks...




I will miss the burger and fries at Village Whiskey
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June 7th, 2018 at 2:20:28 PM permalink
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I will miss the burger and fries at Village Whiskey



I never had the burger at Village Whiskey, but I remember having an awesome burger at Muscle Bar. That was an awesome bar/restaurant with a great craft beer list.

Will you be there opening weekend? I am planning on a session or two in the Ultra Lounge (I wonder if they will keep that name or just put up a high limit tables sign?)
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June 7th, 2018 at 2:47:11 PM permalink
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I never had the burger at Village Whiskey, but I remember having an awesome burger at Muscle Bar. That was an awesome bar/restaurant with a great craft beer list.



Mussel Bar had the absolute worst service of all time - it was so bad I boycotted it



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Will you be there opening weekend? I am planning on a session or two in the Ultra Lounge (I wonder if they will keep that name or just put up a high limit tables sign?)




I will not be there opening weekend but likely shortly thereafter and will be live Trip Reporting it
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June 8th, 2018 at 3:24:29 PM permalink
OK just saw the Hard Rock AC posted this on their website:




So I called about getting my two comped nights -- the woman on the phone said I am only entitled to one
I rebuffed her statement by having her check out the website
She said that the two nights are only given once you actually come to the casino and exchange your Diamond Card for a Rock Royalty card

Anyone know if this is correct?
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June 8th, 2018 at 3:47:14 PM permalink
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OK just saw the Hard Rock AC posted this on their website:

So I called about getting my two comped nights -- the woman on the phone said I am only entitled to one
I rebuffed her statement by having her check out the website
She said that the two nights are only given once you actually come to the casino and exchange your Diamond Card for a Rock Royalty card

Anyone know if this is correct?



Thanks for posting this! Yes, I believe they want you to upgrade the card first. From their website, right under the chart: "Complimentary room is based on availability and must be used within ninety (90) calendar days of the upgrade."

This tier match is a bit aggressive and dilutes the program for actual higher tier players. Heck, I love a good offer and $150 for walking in the door is awesome, but I don't think they balanced out which cards qualified for that top tier. I'd bet they have a tier above Rock Royalty (similar to the Seminole Casinos X Card).

If anyone would like to see the full details of the tier match including all the competitors, you can do so here.
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June 8th, 2018 at 3:52:58 PM permalink
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Thanks for posting this! Yes, I believe they want you to upgrade the card first. From their website, right under the chart: "Complimentary room is based on availability and must be used within ninety (90) calendar days of the upgrade."

This tier match is a bit aggressive and dilutes the program for actual higher tier players. Heck, I love a good offer and $150 for walking in the door is awesome, but I don't think they balanced out which cards qualified for that top tier. I'd bet they have a tier above Rock Royalty (similar to the Seminole Casinos X Card).

If anyone would like to see the full details of the tier match including all the competitors, you can do so here.




The thing was, the offer of 2 nights was originally only for Seven Stars (when they first announced the tier matching and you were able to accomplish it online) - now, it includes Diamond -- also, it's weird, when you call, the booking agents say they need the actual casino name (Caesars/Harrah's/Bally's) to enter into the system, not merely Total Rewards -- I wonder for those of us who tier matched in their initial offering on line whether we will be stuck with the one night offer and no free play versus this offer they posted on their website (image above)
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June 8th, 2018 at 4:00:42 PM permalink
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The thing was, the offer of 2 nights was originally only for Seven Stars (when they first announced the tier matching and you were able to accomplish it online) - now, it includes Diamond -- also, it's weird, when you call, the booking agents say they need the actual casino name (Caesars/Harrah's/Bally's) to enter into the system, not merely Total Rewards -- I wonder for those of us who tier matched in their initial offering on line whether we will be stuck with the one night offer and no free play versus this offer they posted on their website (image above)



Yes, in the world of Total Rewards, the original offer was for one night for Diamond, two for Seven Stars. I am certain this would be in addition to anyone that booked the original room offer. It is very generous of them to offer three complimentary nights with no restrictions before they've dropped a dime in the joint. I think they're exposing themselves to being burned a little too much.
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