Starting with a $200 bankrollI'm starting out with $200 myself, and I'm making it 3 sessions of $60 for 10 x $6 bets per session. If I just bet the passline, or just a placebet, I have an object goal to double or nothing my session money somehow, sometimes multiple times. A session might last typically 30-90 minutes this way. I could stretch a session out to 5 hours if I had no real luck. But $60 is like just the damn minimum I can play for a session. If I was up $60, I might add single odds; if I was up $120 on top of that, I'd bet the 6 & 8 for $6; with 4 sets of $60 sitting in my rail. If I get to $480, I could double my bets to $12. I find table minimums to be an extreme concern on a low budget. Monday-Thursday before 6pm I can find a $5 table. Outside of those times it's likely higher table limits.
Whatever your strategy, whatever your risk capital, you MUST record your results accurately. A couple of things, I don't agree that "stretching a session out" is in any way indicative of making money. Mostly likely, most of the time, you are playing at a disadvantage. As such, playing longer sessions only hurts you. The advantage of playing shorter term is that you may, (read "might" or "could") possibly be playing just a handful of lucky sessions. Upon this you should try to capitalize. This disadvantage is that most of the time you may lose, depending on what part of the probability curve you happen to fall in during the time you play.
If $200.00 is your bankroll, hmmm, then focus on building it up with small systematic wins and probably couldn't lose more than 20.00 per session or 10.00. Your focus isn't on how much money you are making, but over the haul of 10 or 20 sessions making money, period. Even if its a few bucks. If you are lucky and experience wins first before a drawdown, you can be successful with this $200.00. But the odds might be or probably are that you will find a drawdown larger than your bankroll and bust out. If you are really committed to being profitable at this game, busting out on this is just tuition for your gambling education.
This all of course assumes that you will act in the casino as you have planned, exactly, with no deviation. Both things: a tested plan for the bankroll and bets you intend to place, and 2. the skill to carry out the plan in a casino are high level skills. Of the two, the latter is the most difficult, and may take years to perfect depending on your personality and risk tolerance vs. assets.
Whatever you do, you MUST record your results, so that in the event of winning and losing you have data to analyze. I believe the keys to record are Time, Date, Location, Game or Table number, profit or loss, and you might also include the Beginning amount, the high of the session, the low of the session and the amount you have at the close of your session. Having these numbers over many sessions can provide valuable information for adjustments to your plan, and you can also use it to forecast how it might look if you have more capital to apply to your game.
Hope this helps at all.
I Won $3000 on Baccarat, and Lost It All!I just won $100 on Baccarat playing just Player! After watching YouTube videos of someone tortuously switching between Player & Banker based on House or Trend and using his invented Mirror, Mirror System that increases the bet one unit every other bet until he gets to 10% ahead with his session money (5 units I would guess, but he doesn't know for sure). I found the Baccarat table he was using at this site which starts me off with $10,000! https://wizardofvegas.com/games/baccarat/
I didn't know I had to mouseclick for each card to come up, ugh. Well, I put $10 on Player, and kept winning my bets in the progression $10, $15, $20, $25, $30 to get me to $100! I'm so happy I had to write this blog post before I lose it all! Maybe I should get on my other computer that has the Hoyle Casino home game CD so I don't lose my balance all the time.
I'm working on my own Mirror system but it raises the bet 1 unit after every other loss. Since there's a $25 table minimum at my local Baccarat tables, my unit has to be at least that large. I'll start with a $30 unit. I'll bet $30, $30, $60, $60, $90, $90, $120, $120, $150, $150 for a $900 loss on 10 losses in a row. But I'll keep track of my worst loss balance and set my bet level based on that. If I'm down $60 or $120, my bet will be $60. If I'm down $180 or $270, my bet will be $90. If I'm down $360 or $480, my bet will be $120. If I'm down $600 or $750, my bet will be $150. I'll put those bets on a winning progression, but I'll have the bet repeat the first time in case of choppiness, and there is not much but choppiness in Baccarat.
My $30 bets would be $30, $30, $40, $50, $60, $80, $100.
My $60 bets would be $60, $60,$80, $100, $120, $160, $200.
My $90 bets would be $90, $90, $120, $150, $180, $240, $300.
My $120 bets would be $120, $120, $160, $200, $240, $320, $400.
My $150 bets would be $150, $150, $200, $250, $300, $400, $500.
I'll be trying to win 5 units, which in this case would be $150. But if I'm rolling on a higher progression, I'll keep going until I lose a hand above my win goal. Once I finish a progression above my win goal, I'll restart at my base bet of $30.
If I win $450, 3 times my win goal, I could crank this up to the $45 level. If I win the $45 level 2 times, I could crank this up to the $60 level. How far will I get before I blow a hole in my 10 loss cushion? I haven't played to find out, but it could be quick. If I win 12 sessions in a row, I could go from $900 to $3600, with a $600 win goal at that level with a table limit of $2000 on a progression. The point of the progression is to minimize how many wins I need to get to my win goal from far behind, but if I blow past the win goal, I'll be in the money a bit.
I won Player 9 times in a row excluding 1 Tie before the Banker won. So if the shoe were on the other foot I would have nearly lost a session right off the bat!
I revved up my starting balance to $10,900. I was betting the $120 progression after losing $480 or more, and won back to $11,090, with a win of $190 on a win goal of $150. My large progressions were getting in the way of actually ending above my win goal when I lost. My 2nd set had me betting a $90 progression and it got me to $11,300, for a win of $210.
My 3rd session had me losing $880 using my system, down to $10,420.
My 4th session had me betting the $60 progression and I won it 12 times in a row! I lowered my bet to $120 on the 7th win and crept back up to $200. I ended at $11,830, for a win of $1410 instead of $150 that session, and made back the $880 I lost last session.
My 5th session started at double the stakes because I had double the starting balance at $1830 for the session. I started betting a $60 progression, then a $120 progression. I was a bit ahead betting $400 at the top of the $120 progression, but a loss on that put me $20 under my $300 win goal. I finally ended on a $200 wager loss above my win goal at $12,190, or up $360.
My 6th session ended at $300 up at $12,490.
My 7th session ended at $1000 up at $13,490. I was betting at the 3rd level progression of $180. I topped out at 7 wins in a row at a reduced bet of $360 after winning a $600 bet.
My 8th session was rather quick with 6 wins at the $90 Level (I upped it since my balance was over $2700, 3X $900), and I lost on a $300 bet. I was up $570 on a $450 win goal at $14,060.
My 9th session sucked! I started at the $120 Level because my balance was over $3600, 4X $900), and I lost $3610, so I'm back at $10,550, and the shoe ended so I have no history to look at.
The guy who invented his Mirror, Mirror System video, explanation here ([New] Mirror Method Baccarat Betting System + Wins 10% Every Hour + Works On High and Low Limit Play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SpmNqlM-8I ), says to take a break after a session, he goes to the cage with all his chips and rebuys in half an hour later, at least a shoe later. That might be too much paperwork at the cage though. He would also play a different game for awhile since wins are like rubber bands and they snap right back at you at double the force in a losing streak.
Same guy says, near the end of this video after he won a BJ on his last $100, the computer software tracks your bets to make it hard for you so you'll get off the site. Pretty much what I've been saying about WinCraps since my Beginner's Luck wore off in a terminal case of losing. [NEW] Blackjack Betting System + Scaling + Jump Off + Perfect Play ($200 Session Roll) Action @5:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHtS0j5_yDA
"since wins are like rubber bands and they snap right back at you at double the force in a losing streak."
for some that would FEEL great!
My revised Army System, The Mario Bomb, lol.I randomly read The Army System to make $1500 with $5 on the 4 & 10 to start with. I feel a bit nervous not getting paid back soon enough so I modified it a bit.
I'd Buy the 4 & 10 for $25 each after the come-out. When it hits, remove bets from the 4 & 10, and place $100 on the 5 or 9. When the 5 or 9 hits, I'll have $240, so I'll keep $60 (to pay off my original 4 & 10 bets), remove the 5 or 9 bet, and place $180 on the 6 or 8. When the 6 or 8 hits, place $300 on the other 6 or 8 and keep $90. I'm trying to mimic the Fire Bet a little so I get paid something for a 4th, 5th & 6th hit instead of everything on the 6th hit. When the 2nd 6 or 8 hits, I'll have $650, so I'll keep $150 and put $500 on the other 5 or 9 (that hasn't hit yet, or not). No word yet if my local casino lets me buy the 5 or 9 at this level. If I win, I'll have $1200, and I'd pocket $150, and Buy the other 4 or 10 for $1000 + $50 Vig. When the last 4 or 10 wins I win $2000 and for $50 more I can keep my bet up and have almost $2400 already, or nearly 50 times my 2 original bets. Extra wins will add $1950 a piece.
On a repeat: If I thought this shooter was going a lot further, I could split my Buy 4 or 10 bet to $500 a piece, if one hits I could move to the 5 or 9 at $2000. If the table max is higher than $2K, a win on the 5 or 9 would get me to $4800. I could pocket $1200 and bet $3600 on the 6 or 8, pocket $1800 on that win and bet $6000 on the other 6 or 8. A win would then get me $13,000, so I'd pocket $3000 and bet $10,000 on the 5 or 9 again. If the 5 or 9 wins, I'd pocket $4000 and Buy the 4 & 10 for $10000 each. Each win pays $19500.
What is a "World" or "Whirl" Bet?Heavy tries to explain that he can run progressions on the Whirl Bet with a $2 High-Low.
I can set the dice for the 3-yos on come-out rolls with a line bet down, or after the point is established and go on a marathon trying to get 6 hits in a row on a progression. Which progression should I use? Press the Whirl bet 1 unit after each win, or do an extraordinary press progression that could take me to 12-17+ units on the whirl by the 6th bet? A 7-winner/7-out will just give me my whirl bet back as a push.
I think the High-Low Heavy means is $1 on the 12 and a $1 on the 2, so he can crank up his 2, 12 win amounts. He mentioned other players put $1 on the craps-3 to even out the payout among craps numbers. I'm a dollar short so I'll have to stick with the $26 payout for the 2, 12, and $11 payout for the 3, 11 on a $5 unit bet.
If I hit the 3/11 six times in a row,
I'll win $11 minus $5 to press 1 unit & back to $6,
win $22, and I'm up to $28, then press 1 unit & back to $23,
win $33, and I'm up to $56, then press 1 unit & back to $51,
win $44, and I'm up to $95, then press 1 unit & back to $90,
win $55, and I'm up to $145, then press 1 unit & back to $140,
win $66, and I'm up to $206, with $30 still on the Whirl bet.
If my 7th win at $35 was a 2/12, I'd nearly double my winnings with an extra $182.
If I was going to amplify a progression:
1st win: add 1 unit
2nd win: add 1 unit, 2 units if a 2, 12
3rd win: add 2 units, 3 units if a 2, 12
4th win: add 3 units, 4 units if a 2, 12
5th win: add 4 units, 6 units if a 2, 12
6th win: add 6 units, 8 units if a 2, 12
7th win: add 8 units, 12 units if a 2, 12
8th win: add 12 units, 16 units if a 2, 12
9th win: add 16 units, 24 units if a 2, 12
If I hit the 3/11 six times in a row,
I'll win $11 minus $5 to press 1 unit & back to $6,
win $22, and I'm up to $28, then press 1 unit & back to $23,
win $33, and I'm up to $56, then press 2 units & back to $46,
win $55, and I'm up to $101, then press 3 units & back to $86,
win $88, and I'm up to $174, then press 4 units & back to $154,
win $132, and I'm up to $286, with $60 still on the Whirl bet. Press 6 units and back to $256.
If my 7th win at $90 was a 2/12, I'd nearly triple my winnings with an extra $468.
I'm told there is likely a payout maximum for Whirl bets that may be around the $575 bet mark, at $3000.
My usual response for all those exotic bets with strange names is "a bet to avoid making'' and if that is not a sufficient deterrent the thing to remember is it does not matter what the player next to you would call that bet, just be sure that YOU and the CREW know what you mean so there is no later arguments about "in xxxxx that term means''.
What is that phrase about four bad bets simultaneously.... it never matters which is 'heavy' because they are all bad.
I made 120 World Bets on WinCraps and only won 23 of them, lost 97 of them.
Wagered $730, Won $406, Lost $600, Down $197. -26.5% vs -16% expected.
Highest Bet: $15 (Add 1 unit on win).
This after WinCraps hits craps number 5 times in a row all night trying to avoid my $6 PB 6.
Later: I made 361 World Bets and only won on 75 of them, lost on 286 of them for a net 211 losses.
Wagered $2260, Won $1451, Lost $1805, Down $354. -15.66% vs -16% expected.
Highest Bet: $20 (Add 1 unit on win).
Highest Win: $52
Average Wager: $6.26
Average Win: $19.35
Expected Value: -$361.60 (-$1 a bet)
Win $1000 a day on the Don'ts?Article link: Shooting From The DonítsÖA Journey of Opportunity - Part 8
Let me give you a perfect world example:
Ø Letís start with a $25 flat-bet on the Donít Pass.
Ø Weíll ignore any Come-Out bets for a moment and get right to the Point.
Ø Letís say we roll a 5 as the PL-Point.
Ø If you have a validated dice-influencing edge over the casino; then as a Darkside-shooter, full-Odds has to figure into your betting regimen. If you donít have an edge, then you are merely gambling and this discussion is moot.
Ø At a 3x, 4x, 5x-Odds table, the casino will allow your Darkside Odds to be wagered at up to 6x your flat DP-bet amount.
Ø If your DP line-bet is $5; then you are permitted to Lay up to $30 in Odds no matter what the Point is.
Ø In this example, our $25 DP-bet will be backed up with $150 in 6x-Odds.
Ø Letís say that we can pretty well 7-Out almost every time we need to. Thatís not to say that we can 7-Out on demand, but rather that we can almost always 7-Out before accidentally repeating the PL-Point.
Ø A DP line-away winner will pay us $25 on the flat-bet and at a 2:3 payoff for the PL-Point of 5, our Odds generate another $100 in revenue. In total, we now have $125 to the good.
Ø A PL-Point of 4 or 10 will generate $100 in net-winnings for the same $25 DP and $150 in Odds wager; while a similarly funded DP-bet against the PL-Point of either the 6 or 8 will spin-off $150 in total earnings.
Ø If we can manage to do that for just eight of our hands in a row ($125 average-win per hand times 8 hands), weíll easily get to our $1000/day win-goal with very little problem.